[SPL] CJ Entus vs. Estro - Page 20

On October 19 2009 20:38 Itachii wrote:
Savior never fails to dissapoint.

On October 20 2009 05:05 T.O.P. wrote:
Savior playing in proleague matches and ace matches gives me hope that he's returning to form. It tells me that Savior is doing well in practice, or else why would CJ trade away kwanro and play Savior instead.

On October 20 2009 02:59 TwoToneTerran wrote:
The only other protoss of note they have is Gosi[flying], and even then he's on the B-team. He made a splash in STX masters and such but Estro hasn't dared to send him out yet.

Most likely because he's untested in a real match and Estro's opening schedule of KT->SKT->CJ is enough to make any team cry foul.

And the sad part is?

Their next game is versus STX. While KT technically wasn't a top 7 team their in form selves are tearing up like mad and are probably a tougher match than Hite/Khan/Oz right now. I think Estro got pitted with the toughest starting four weeks imaginable, and at the very least have gone 2-2 (assuming they lose to STX). Even running Sangho, that's a record that any team in the league wouldn't be ashamed of. If they beat STX and go 3-1, look out for Estro to pull an STX this season.

On October 20 2009 07:12 darktreb wrote:


TwoTone I usually agree with you but Estro has been lucky as hell to be 2-1 so far. They needed a baller build (against Best) that another team would have saved for a Starleague and TheZerg fail, followed by CJ sending Savior in ace when virtually any CJ player would have beat Hyvaa (hell Hydra just did).

Upmagic has looked good and Really has looked decent but overall the Up/Really/Hyvaa/Sangho combo doesn't compare at all to virtually any other team. First three matches of the season a lot of things can happen, especially when teams are more focused on building confidence and getting people playing time than anything else.

Estro is improved and I generally root for them, but they're still a weak team. I'd put down $100 that they don't make top 6 in the 09-10 season in a heartbeat, any takers?

On October 20 2009 09:30 On_Slaught wrote:


You sound butt-hurt.

I don't think that any estro fans expect greatness from this team. The fact is we root for this team because we like all/some of the players and enjoy seeing them win. Let us enjoy what we have while we have it.

If you want to avoid stuff like this have your team win before ace, or have ur coach send out a real ace player (btw coach decisions are just as important as players, so if your coach makes bad decisions its a knock on the team, not just the coach).

On October 20 2009 09:40 BanZu wrote:

I don't think that he sounds butthurt at all.

And I like how you talk as if the fans controlled the team and the coach.

On October 20 2009 06:58 iamho wrote:
effort only knows how to go ultraling every single zvt/zvp game, i dont see why tosses dont just build more reavers when playing him

On October 20 2009 09:45 On_Slaught wrote:


I think you should probably reread what he said then. Basically the premise of his post is that estro winning 2 of it's first 3 games is a fluke, pure luck and that their line-up is the worst in the league and they profitted from a poor decision on the part of the coaches.

Then you swoop in and make an ironic post which does not in any way address what I posted.

I'm not saying at all that we control the team and the coach, but we control which team we ROOT for. He roots for CJ and says they are a better team than estro, and says that the "excuse" for CJs loss was a coach decision. My point? You take the good with the bad. The CJ team is NOT just the players thrown together. It is the players in conjunction with the coaches, who determine practice schedules, line-ups and the all important Ace. If you think that a coach making a bad ace decision is just a fluke, then you need to reevaluate what makes up a team and realize that it is a knock on your team, and doesn't change the fact that when you take the WHOLE of CJ, it was defeated by the WHOLE of Estro.

/rant off

We'll prob get spanked by stx, but hopefully upmagic can crush someone.

On October 20 2009 10:43 tree.hugger wrote:


Because EffOrt also knows how to roll you when you build a lot of reavers.



I think, whatever luck may or may not be involved, eSTRO looks quite solid so far this season. I'd say they're looking at least like a #8 team, and could conceivably make a late run if they can develop an ACE over the course of the season. All of their players are much improved, and you can see them playing with more confidence and determination. They're better than Stars by now in my book. Even looking at any of their wins, I thought their loss to KT was most instructive. Every game they played was hard fought and well executed. KT is opening the season very strong, and eSTRO has pushed them the hardest of anyone so far.

But it's still early in the season. I'm not at all worried about CJ- EffOrt looks dominant. sKyHigh looks dominant. Iris and sAviOr are of concern, but goodness knows CJ has other players to turn too. Movie lost here, but also played an excellent game against an A class player in Calm. He's on his way, I'm not at all worried about him.

I think Khan and Hite will be the teams battling it out for a playoff spot- but that's a long ways away, everything will even out in the end.