fantasy vs Stats I just can't see fantasy losing this. Despite some ponderings of mine, I think fantasy will be able to show us something exciting this season. Hopefully he will take an individual league. This fanboy can only hope.
This is going to be an interesting match. Type-b has shown that he has the potential to do well, and Much, while loved by many is no doubt on the decline. Consolidating this fact is that he is joining Ace. And from what I can pick up, not a whole lot of time gets dedicated to SC training. i think type-b has this. Everyone knows that Z>P anyway.
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
On October 08 2009 11:29 baubo wrote: What's Much's status? Is he in the same boat as Ruby with regards to joining the air force? Or is he good to go for the whole tournament?
Anyway, go tosses!
He heads to basic in late October, which means even if he qualifies we'll have a RuBy situation where there will have to be a wildcard to decide the spot.
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
Type B has potential but he's not skilled enough to take a game from Fantasy
On October 08 2009 11:29 baubo wrote: What's Much's status? Is he in the same boat as Ruby with regards to joining the air force? Or is he good to go for the whole tournament?
Anyway, go tosses!
He heads to basic in late October, which means even if he qualifies we'll have a RuBy situation where there will have to be a wildcard to decide the spot.
That sucks for Much. But makes me even rooting more for him, so we can see a wildcard match.
There's a replay in the replay section of Stats fighting Flash on equal terms for a long game. I'd say that while Fantasy is the favorite, Stats could take it (65-70% for Fantasy though).
Tybe-b should roll Much and there's little reason to think Fantasy has a huge edge on him.
Type-B lost to Mong's mech, so I'm sure fantasy will have something for him if they meet up tonight. Type-b could be ready though, don't think the map is in his favor.
On October 08 2009 13:15 dekuschrub wrote: fantasy will not disappoint. Even should type B somehow get a game off of fantasy, fantasy won't lose to much or stats anytime soon.
Much will probly go 0-2, but who knows with that guy
Having to play Stats on Destination first game would be a bit of a concern for me if I was a fantasy fan - all games included, Stats is 8-3 on the map and 6-0 vs. Terran on it. In general it seems PvT is Stats' best matchup by far. If Much manages to beat type-b then he could be in a very tough spot.
edit: can the OP put the maps for the winners/losers/final game back in?
Even though Fantasy is by far the better player, his tvp stats on destination aren't very good. I wouldn't be surprised if Stats manages to beat him, especially since nobody thinks he has a chance. This early in the new season we have no idea how much they are practicing or how rusty they are which should lend itself to more upsets.
On October 08 2009 13:47 UGC4 wrote: i <3 u for posting this. oh and i think the only thing u might wanna change is making the map clickable, but no biggie
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
Type B has potential but he's not skilled enough to take a game from Fantasy
do you even watch starcraft?
Fantasy's TvZ is overrated. Type-b is a good zvt zerg, type-b can beat fantasy.
On October 08 2009 14:08 Marine50 wrote: Chinese stream doing well for me
link mang
Its in OP
How do you get it to work? I tried it in Firefox, I tried it in IE, but I can't read Chinese in either browser.
Open link in IE, click on the uuSee text in the green bar, install uuSee, then refresh page, click uuSee text in green bar again, watch it load. Watch sc
anyone know how to change the livestream URL to increase the resolution? Not quite full-screen, everytime I do that, it freezes the stream when I hook it up to my TV.
On October 08 2009 14:15 NO MY LIQUIBET wrote: anyone know how to change the livestream URL to increase the resolution? Not quite full-screen, everytime I do that, it freezes the stream when I hook it up to my TV.
Stats built a second gate in his main once the scv arrived. He hid a pylon on the map, but I don't think he is doing a proxy. Fantasy's scv is searching the map for a proxy found the pylon. Fantasy is expanding before fact. Stats snuck a probe into fantasy's main.
On October 08 2009 14:15 NO MY LIQUIBET wrote: anyone know how to change the livestream URL to increase the resolution? Not quite full-screen, everytime I do that, it freezes the stream when I hook it up to my TV.
Fantasy pushed onto the map, looked like it caught Stats by surprise. He is sieging up behind Stats nat now. Stats mined out his mineral patch and is going to flank from both sides. Fantasy loses everything and did very little damage.
Arbiter tribunal has finished building. He is now taking his 3rd and 4th and has a shuttle filled with dt's Fantasy is running around with his vultures, but is having no success so far.
Fantasy trading vultures for probes, looks to be about an even exchange. Stats doing a decent job of not letting Fantasy's vultures run too wild, but gets sloppy and runs into a couple mines.
On October 08 2009 14:26 Nevuk wrote: I think Stats has this, his style is a perfect counter to Fantasy's.
What? Fantasy had his nat and third up faster, then just sat massing 200/200 3/3. He might just kill stats in one go, no matter how many bases he's got.
Stats secures a great position on the map, Fantasy sieges up and hunkers down to try to weather it. Fantasy successfully EMPs Stats' arbiter. Stats is in a great position right now.
On October 08 2009 14:26 Nevuk wrote: I think Stats has this, his style is a perfect counter to Fantasy's.
What? Fantasy had his nat and third up faster, then just sat massing 200/200 3/3. He might just kill stats in one go, no matter how many bases he's got.
I was referring to his really really passive defensive style of play.
Fantasy pushes out while Stats is still building Carriers, takes out one expansion, Stats counters at the bottom-left and destroys it, both players lose all the units they used to attack the expos.
On October 08 2009 14:26 Nevuk wrote: I think Stats has this, his style is a perfect counter to Fantasy's.
What? Fantasy had his nat and third up faster, then just sat massing 200/200 3/3. He might just kill stats in one go, no matter how many bases he's got.
I was referring to his really really passive defensive style of play.
There are basically 2 TvP styles, Flash-like turtling and Iris-like vulture raiding. fantasy is in between.
stats goes offensive and attacks bottom left! fantasy is hurrying back to defend. some REALLY GOOD storms by stats, but he lost his nexus at 2 o clock! a arbiter just escapes death.
Stats is losing a LOT of interceptors, I'm not sure how many precious minerals he has to rebuild with Fantasy harassing his mineral expos. I wish there was a resource/food counter.
Stats has a sizable ground army to complement his carriers. Lots of shield batteriers being built at 9 o clock. HUGE STATIS. Emp on all of the carriers. Stats ground army forces fantasy to retreat. ALL OF THE GOLIATHS ARE STASISED.
On October 08 2009 14:39 Avidkeystamper wrote: Stats is really, really good at PvT. He's not like Shuttle; he can use the entire protoss arsenal (except he hasn't used reavers yet).
He is very map control oriented, I think. Constantly cleared out Fantasy's mines with goon armies, denied all scouting and just prevented scouting.
I am sitting here completely blown away by the high level at which Stats played that game. My mouth was literally hanging open for the last 5 minutes of action. They were really close to even towards the end of that game, but Fantasy was ahead and he should have won. He didn't play badly, he just got straight up out played.
Flash has been using dumb build orders lately, but you all know he wouldn't have lost that game... this is why Flash is the undisputed best Terran of all time and fade the hype.
On October 08 2009 14:44 YoungModerN wrote: much has a great pvz, and when it comes to late game he makes some epic moves.. on the other side, tybe-b is a fucking upcoming monster
Wha? Much's PvZ is pretty average and often fails vs good zergs. Type-b's zvp is also kinda average but seems to have gotten better as of recent.
On October 08 2009 14:44 YoungModerN wrote: much has a great pvz, and when it comes to late game he makes some epic moves.. on the other side, tybe-b is a fucking upcoming monster
On October 08 2009 14:44 YoungModerN wrote: much has a great pvz, and when it comes to late game he makes some epic moves.. on the other side, tybe-b is a fucking upcoming monster
Wha? Much's PvZ is pretty average and often fails vs good zergs. Type-b's zvp is also kinda average but seems to have gotten better as of recent.
He has a crazy strong mid game PvZ... he was the only protoss who could consistently crack proxy hatch on neo-medusa. PvZ is mostly won or lost in the mid game now a days, so he could get some results. His hands do seem to be getting slow lately though.
On October 08 2009 14:46 SnIpEuOuT wrote: The first push by Fantasy behind Stats nat was so bad. He lost everything and only killed like 3 dragoons.
You have to give Stats some credit on that one, he read it and countered it very well.
It was a good play by Stats, but I think it was a terrible decision by Fantasy to do that in the first place. He had an economic advantage, he should've just turtled and taken his 3rd. If Stats double expanded to try to catch up, the push might of work.
On October 08 2009 14:49 Orbifold wrote: Flash has been using dumb build orders lately, but you all know he wouldn't have lost that game... this is why Flash is the undisputed best Terran of all time and fade the hype.
On October 08 2009 14:46 SnIpEuOuT wrote: The first push by Fantasy behind Stats nat was so bad. He lost everything and only killed like 3 dragoons.
You have to give Stats some credit on that one, he read it and countered it very well.
It was a good play by Stats, but I think it was a terrible decision by Fantasy to do that in the first place. He had an economic advantage, he should of just turtled and taken his 3rd. If Stats double expanded to try to catch up, the push might of work.
On October 08 2009 14:46 SnIpEuOuT wrote: The first push by Fantasy behind Stats nat was so bad. He lost everything and only killed like 3 dragoons.
You have to give Stats some credit on that one, he read it and countered it very well.
It was a good play by Stats, but I think it was a terrible decision by Fantasy to do that in the first place. He had an economic advantage, he should of just turtled and taken his 3rd. If Stats double expanded to try to catch up, the push might of work.
Seeing 'of' instead of 've makes me rage so hard
Never read anything written by Cormac Mccarthy, EVER
4 zealots engage around 12-15 lings. All of the lings die, 3 zealots left I believe. Much is continuing sair production and has dt's out. Heading to type-b's 3rd. One drone and 2 overlords die, but he is forced to retreat.
Bad play from Much. He made all those sairs for the sair/dt start but lost them carelessly which made it possible for his 4 temps to be sniped. By the time the armies engaged it was already over.
Depressing game. Toss just can't ever seem to keep templar or reavers from getting sniped these days, and it's largely due to always forsaking their corsairs. x.x
On October 08 2009 15:09 mog87 wrote: Sucks for fantasy to be in a group where everyone's best MU is vT, but I dont care that much.
well considering the fact that fantasy is probably the best TvP'er out there, and how the group does not consist of either Bisu or Stork, i don't see why it should have been a problem for fantasy to bag this group ... Okay maybe type-b is a bit of a challenge, but come on, losing to Stats?
On October 08 2009 15:09 mog87 wrote: Sucks for fantasy to be in a group where everyone's best MU is vT, but I dont care that much.
well considering the fact that fantasy is probably the best TvP'er out there, and how the group does not consist of either Bisu or Stork, i don't see why it should have been a problem for fantasy to bag this group ... Okay maybe type-b is a bit of a challenge, but come on, losing to Stats?
I would've reversed Stats and Type-B in your sentence. Though neither of them are pushovers vT.
On October 08 2009 15:09 mog87 wrote: Sucks for fantasy to be in a group where everyone's best MU is vT, but I dont care that much.
well considering the fact that fantasy is probably the best TvP'er out there, and how the group does not consist of either Bisu or Stork, i don't see why it should have been a problem for fantasy to bag this group ... Okay maybe type-b is a bit of a challenge, but come on, losing to Stats?
I would've reversed Stats and Type-B in your sentence. Though neither of them are pushovers vT.
All of them are beasts versus T, I suppose people havent seen stats games or replays, he usually always gives terran a tough time, the only exception I recall was his gom s3 vs Berserker. But the kid is good PvT, go watch his rep vs Flash on destination....and he practices with Flash the best terran, so yea. Stats beating any terran in a Bo1 isnt suprising to me at all.
Oh the failure coming out of type-b on the follow up drops. This is looking like a truly ridiculous comeback that should never happen at the pro level.
Stats is looking around the map with his corsair trying to find an expansion, but he doesn't see one because there isn't one. So he knows all he has to do is defend and he wins.
He should've waited for lurkers for his first surprise drop. Park them at the ramp and all probes die. He had forever and a half before observers came out.
I'm a Terran player, so Protoss cheese generally makes me cry whenever I see it, but Much is special; I want to see him thrash Fantasy using some creative and funny cheese.
Siege mode is finished, starport for fantasy is finished. Fantast got a scv into muchs nat and didnt see a nexus warping in. 2 dt's are out and ebay is finished.
Much tried to break fantasy's nat with goons, zealots, and dt's. Fantasy defended. Dropship heading to muchs base. Still no nat cc for fantasy, nat is warping in for much.
much engages w/ his large force, fantasy brings back his tanks and seems to be winning, then much zealots come! but fantasy continues reinforcing and takes the battle
It's good to go goon-heavy vs fantasy because of his vulture use, but you HAVE to make zealots when he starts massing tanks. Stats understood this, Much did not.
On October 08 2009 15:59 nayumi wrote: At least Fantasy didn't throw away another TvP ... Seriously, his vulture harass is getting pretty predictable by P lately.
I'd have to see replays to confirm, but what I think he does is save up gas to get a huge ball of tanks in the midgame, which raped Much's goons but Stats had arbiters and zealots out in time.
On October 08 2009 15:59 nayumi wrote: At least Fantasy didn't throw away another TvP ... Seriously, his vulture harass is getting pretty predictable by P lately.
not only that, he dropped like three times, and they killed like two probes all up. If that were against a slightly better protoss, he wou've had a hard time winning that
Come on Fantasy, stop this VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES VULTURES nonsense. Go bio against type-b and give us an entertaining game.
On October 08 2009 16:26 thopol wrote: I'm so happy! A couple months ago people swore fantasy was the best terran out there...
bandwagoners they were the same people claiming Leta as the Son of God months before that, true sc fan/analysts know Flash has pretty much been the king for like last 2 years.
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
Type B has potential but he's not skilled enough to take a game from Fantasy
Gj Stats on taking down fantasy. 4/4 for this MST group ^__^. I heard Stats was really good PvT somewhere so I just decided to go with it + OGN zergs rape the shit out of Terran no matter what in games that matter, not *cough* offseason*cough*. Its a shame though that Fantasy is out so early as he brings the best TvPs, but as an antifan im pleased to see him out so early.
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
Type B has potential but he's not skilled enough to take a game from Fantasy
lol
lol trying to call me out? I don't care because hundreds of other people were thinking the same thing
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
Type B has potential but he's not skilled enough to take a game from Fantasy
lol
lol trying to call me out? I don't care because hundreds of other people were thinking the same thing
Anyway, I'm glad Fantasy lost since I dislike him
Difference from thinking Fantasy will win to thinking type-b not skilled enough to take a game off him.
On October 08 2009 13:15 dekuschrub wrote: fantasy will not disappoint. Even should type B somehow get a game off of fantasy, fantasy won't lose to much or stats anytime soon.
Much will probly go 0-2, but who knows with that guy
Having to play Stats on Destination first game would be a bit of a concern for me if I was a fantasy fan - all games included, Stats is 8-3 on the map and 6-0 vs. Terran on it. In general it seems PvT is Stats' best matchup by far. If Much manages to beat type-b then he could be in a very tough spot.
I seem to be very good at not following my own logic. I went 1-4 on my liquibet
All I can do is shake my head. I'm not giving up on Fantasy, though (not that I think he's the best, but I still think he can accomplish a lot). He better focus a lot on demolishing in PL now! (he's in my Fantasy PL roster)
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
Type B has potential but he's not skilled enough to take a game from Fantasy
lol
lol trying to call me out? I don't care because hundreds of other people were thinking the same thing
Anyway, I'm glad Fantasy lost since I dislike him
Of course he is skilled enough to take a game off fantasy, I was certain of that. Fantasy's badness surprised me, I should have went with my definite knowledge that he's a terrible player. Why do I keep listening to the fanboys? Every time I've voted for Fantasy, not following my heart, he's failed me. I think I'll just keep voting for him That way he'll just lose.
kind of sucks they use different maps for the qualification tournaments. Imagine smth like 90% of all players making it to the groups are zergs but the new set of map turns out to be heavily anti-zerg.... but I guess thats like the last problem KeSPa and SL organizers have to face, meh
On October 08 2009 14:49 Orbifold wrote: I am sitting here completely blown away by the high level at which Stats played that game. My mouth was literally hanging open for the last 5 minutes of action. They were really close to even towards the end of that game, but Fantasy was ahead and he should have won. He didn't play badly, he just got straight up out played.
Flash has been using dumb build orders lately, but you all know he wouldn't have lost that game... this is why Flash is the undisputed best Terran of all time and fade the hype.
Ya Flash would NEVER have blown a won game like that
I mean Fantasy got his natural AND third faster and then just threw away some units here and there and eventually got worked
On October 10 2009 00:26 Ideas wrote: man I'm so depressed, still no VODs up
Hows a man supposed to live without SC VODs?
are they on that korean site youku or whatever?
jon747 has them, at least some of them
Just watched the Stats games and they were both super entertaining. The guy has lots of potential. Game 3 was big lol; had no idea that you can come back from such a situation :O
Just watched the VODs tonight. I found this group really entertaining. Definitely worth the watch.
Fantasy losing two straight up games against lesser players surprised me tho. Not long ago, I was certain he was the best player in the game (right before JD won three in a row to make it 3-1 ). In my opinion, the winners played very decent Starcraft.
Type-B's ZvT is good enough to defeat Fantasy's normal play. He'd have to come up with something creative and I don't think he'll do something like that at this point of the tournament.
Type B has potential but he's not skilled enough to take a game from Fantasy
lol
lol trying to call me out? I don't care because hundreds of other people were thinking the same thing
Anyway, I'm glad Fantasy lost since I dislike him
Eh actually saying something like Type-B doesn't have the skill to take a game from Fantasy is pretty laughable. Fantasy's TvZ is very vulnerable and Type-B is likely going places.
Not really a fan of Fantasy either so seeing him go doesn't bother me in the least.
On October 08 2009 14:49 Orbifold wrote: I am sitting here completely blown away by the high level at which Stats played that game. My mouth was literally hanging open for the last 5 minutes of action. They were really close to even towards the end of that game, but Fantasy was ahead and he should have won. He didn't play badly, he just got straight up out played.
Flash has been using dumb build orders lately, but you all know he wouldn't have lost that game... this is why Flash is the undisputed best Terran of all time and fade the hype.
Ya Flash would NEVER have blown a won game like that
I mean Fantasy got his natural AND third faster and then just threw away some units here and there and eventually got worked
you cant just look at the expo timing the reason stats econ lagged a bit was because he was rushing arbiters while defending a small push, which then allowed him to put up 3 nexuses at once. so ya fantasy had an econ advantage but he was behind in units and tech and by the time he could catch up stats was ahead in econ anyway and already had carriers on the way. fantasy was boned after his little 4 tank attack was killed easily.
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fantasy < Destination > 
Stats ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/6.jpg)
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type-b < Destination > ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/195.jpg)
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