Clicking the spoiler will reveal the players playing and a short reason of why you should watch it. Be careful, you might spoil it if you plan on watching recommended games in order, so click one at a time. I'll leave this disclaimer here all the time now (even though there was only 1 decent game tonight).
I predict that KT would send a scrub out on the first map - Destination. If he loses, KT sends out flash early to take advantage of maps which flash has done well in - Neo medusa, harmony and heartbreak ridge.
Should flash get a 2 or 3 kill, KT gonna send out their zergs to finish it up on andro, outsider and garden.
I also predict that lux has been practising with his brother in ZvZ non stop, and will be well prepared to face effort who will most likely be sent last on god's garden (should it reach set7)
I think we should start making ridiculous predictions about who'll come out. That way, if we manage to get one right, we can brag incessantly about it.
Hahahaha - I'd actually be so amused if that happened (and then spend at least 3 hours listening to Scaramanga extolling the virtues of FINGERBOOM...I don't care if they changed the name: to me they'll always be Fingerboomers.)
I wish, because if he does we get to see the weird cartoon figure with the nose but Shine will probably just stay as the "good practice partner" not the other Terran option for the team. Violet, Hoejja, Tempest, Luxury, ForGG are all decent non Flash options that will trump Shine. I can only imagine him playing if the KT team is burdened by individual leagues.
Thread no 100007, what happened to 100000? Sorry for so random question. BTW, I think CJ will take it easily but still it all depends of FlaSh if he will get send out. I want to see his TvZ ^^
That was very good play by Movie and rather bad one by Violet. Violet expanded early and instead of macroing, he went for tech. That citadel and archive did nothing for him to defend Movie's timing push.
Strongest matchup for both players I think? Or at least, Movie can hang with JD in PvZ and Hoejja's ZvP is definitely his best. This should be a good game!
NICEEEEEEEEE. Movie had very very nice unit combinations. The goons dealt with mutalisk harass and lurkers while the zealots and templar deal with hydras! I need to do this.. my PvZ I use too many zealots lol.
On August 17 2009 18:46 Realpenguin wrote: I think KT will send Firefist BECAUSE HE'S FUCKING AWESOME because he did well alst time and Neo Harmony favors Z in ZvP
It would make sense to save Flash for last I guess
more likely explanation is that this isn't nearly as important as proleague etc. and so teams aren't sending their aces (like stork etc.) in order to give their lower-ranked players some air time
On August 17 2009 18:50 darktreb wrote: KT coaches are just giving Luxury a break. You know, one of those long breaks ... what are they called again? Oh yeah, forced retirement.
That'd be funny if it wasn't so sad
Hell, come to think of it, it is damn funny even though its sad.
On August 17 2009 19:29 Rostam wrote: I'm a bit surprised, Firefist had really good micro in that game. Maybe he doesn't suck after all.
FireFist consistently shows quality muta micro in all ZvZ games I've seen him in, doesn't always translate into good ZvP or ZvT muta micro for him though.
On August 17 2009 19:32 benjammin wrote: isn't the point of stx masters for the good teams to get their a-minus players some tv time?
Yes its the same as all lesser tournaments but it doesnt mean people dont wanna see their favourite players. and its awesome when they do get sent out!
On August 17 2009 19:32 benjammin wrote: isn't the point of stx masters for the good teams to get their a-minus players some tv time?
Yes its the same as all lesser tournaments but it doesnt mean people dont wanna see their favourite players. and its awesome when they do get sent out!
Maybe they are saving iris and kwanro since they have semis to practice for and saving effort or skyhigh for last spot if needed. Flash said in interview that he wasnt playing since he was preparing for gom finals but now he will repay his coach for that or smthng like that so flash could be KT's last spot.
i guess CJ is just experimenting with their other players who dont have the opportunity to play in big games to boost their experience/confidence so i can understand many teams not sending their big guns all out.
I have a comment about the uploaded SC Tourney games in general...
Is there a way to NOT see how many games have been played in a series? Seeing how many games played, like Jaedong vs. Fantasy recently, tells you that the series went 3-1. Just hypothetically, if you watch the first game and see that Fantasy loses, you know the rest of the series goes to Jaedong and it ruins the fun and suspense of watching the games.
I would suggest maybe just the name of the match, "Jaedong vs. Fantasy" and when you click on it you can view game one, then a next button to game 2, then a next button to game 3, and so on...
Or possibly, if you click the "No Spoilers" button, add the feature where it doesn't show how many games are played. Not knowing the winner right is of course in the "No Spoiler", but seeing how many games pretty much spoils what's left.....
On August 17 2009 19:36 Spideysense wrote: I have a comment about the uploaded SC Tourney games in general...
Is there a way to NOT see how many games have been played in a series? Seeing how many games played, like Jaedong vs. Fantasy recently, tells you that the series went 3-1. Just hypothetically, if you watch the first game and see that Fantasy loses, you know the rest of the series goes to Jaedong and it ruins the fun and suspense of watching the games.
I would suggest maybe just the name of the match, "Jaedong vs. Fantasy" and when you click on it you can view game one, then a next button to game 2, then a next button to game 3, and so on...
Or possibly, if you click the "No Spoilers" button, add the feature where it doesn't show how many games are played. Not knowing the winner right is of course in the "No Spoiler", but seeing how many games pretty much spoils what's left.....
On August 17 2009 19:36 motbob wrote: Dude wtf are you talking about. Your post further up the page was incomprehensible, too.
Previous post was pointing out that GosI isn't what I would consider a particularly good progamer, more recent one was pointing out that IdrA isn't on CJ's announced roster for this game.
On August 17 2009 19:36 Spideysense wrote: I have a comment about the uploaded SC Tourney games in general...
Is there a way to NOT see how many games have been played in a series? Seeing how many games played, like Jaedong vs. Fantasy recently, tells you that the series went 3-1. Just hypothetically, if you watch the first game and see that Fantasy loses, you know the rest of the series goes to Jaedong and it ruins the fun and suspense of watching the games.
I would suggest maybe just the name of the match, "Jaedong vs. Fantasy" and when you click on it you can view game one, then a next button to game 2, then a next button to game 3, and so on...
Or possibly, if you click the "No Spoilers" button, add the feature where it doesn't show how many games are played. Not knowing the winner right is of course in the "No Spoiler", but seeing how many games pretty much spoils what's left.....
look in the small vod thread. it's no-spoiler format
On August 17 2009 19:36 Spideysense wrote: I have a comment about the uploaded SC Tourney games in general...
Is there a way to NOT see how many games have been played in a series? Seeing how many games played, like Jaedong vs. Fantasy recently, tells you that the series went 3-1. Just hypothetically, if you watch the first game and see that Fantasy loses, you know the rest of the series goes to Jaedong and it ruins the fun and suspense of watching the games.
I would suggest maybe just the name of the match, "Jaedong vs. Fantasy" and when you click on it you can view game one, then a next button to game 2, then a next button to game 3, and so on...
Or possibly, if you click the "No Spoilers" button, add the feature where it doesn't show how many games are played. Not knowing the winner right is of course in the "No Spoiler", but seeing how many games pretty much spoils what's left.....
are u talking abuot small vods thread? there are spoilers for every game right?
On August 17 2009 19:36 motbob wrote: Dude wtf are you talking about. Your post further up the page was incomprehensible, too.
Previous post was pointing out that GosI isn't what I would consider a particularly good progamer, more recent one was pointing out that IdrA isn't on CJ's announced roster for this game.
Well, first of all Flying is 5-1 in televised games, and secondly you shouldn't make everyone panic when talking about lifetime bans of Idra
On August 17 2009 19:40 motbob wrote: Well, first of all Flying is 5-1 in televised games, and secondly you shouldn't make everyone panic when talking about lifetime bans of Idra
Panic? I'd be happy. KeSPA sanctioned tournaments are too strict for him to be BM enough to entertain.
When the stream had cut out, it looked like Orion had barely won the battle, but Orion was still going off one hatch, so I'd imagine that's where Firefist eventually took the win.
Edit: Nevermind, stream cut out when it looked like Orion was ahead, but they're showing the replay now, and it was just that one second that it looked like he was ahead. :p
Please, please, please, send out skyhigh. Iris needs to practice, I get that, Effort refuses to do anything but 12 hatch in ZvZ, I get that, Much is 50% PvZ, fine, but SEND OUT SKYHIGH.
Why do KT consistently produce such boring games in this league? Haha. I mean, I'm glad their winning, but I'm hoping OGN, Oz, and SKT are more interesting matches (assuming they get that far)
On August 17 2009 20:14 okum wrote: Wow, Firefist is now 3-0 vs Effort.
And holy shit, Firefist is 35% against T and on an 8 game losing streak... Skyhigh must be rotating in his grave for not being sent out.
Seriously, it's not like no one expected Effort to 12pool expand or 12hatch anyway. It was like autolose to send him out on a map like Outsider. Skyhigh would have done so much better. :/
On August 17 2009 20:10 lazz wrote: in b4 "FIREFIST IS BONJWA!!!!!!11111oneone"
That was all fine and dandy.
Except for the fact that you failed - there already was a firefist bonjwa comment made before your post.
meaning you didn't "get in b4 it". Im sorry to inform you of this unfortunate turn of events - hopefully your day is not completely ruined by the fact that you got ninja'd pretty hard. :,(
On August 17 2009 20:17 motbob wrote: If Movie and Skyhigh and Effort keep slumping this is going to be what a good day for CJ looks like in the Proleague.
in what dimension is skyhigh slumping? or are you joking.
On August 17 2009 20:14 okum wrote: Wow, Firefist is now 3-0 vs Effort.
And holy shit, Firefist is 35% against T and on an 8 game losing streak... Skyhigh must be rotating in his grave for not being sent out.
Seriously, it's not like no one expected Effort to 12pool expand or 12hatch anyway. It was like autolose to send him out on a map like Outsider. Skyhigh would have done so much better. :/
u nutters crazi? if skyhigh wins he loses to flash.
sending effort's the right choice with everything considered. He just got KT fistboomed is all.
On August 17 2009 20:17 motbob wrote: If Movie and Skyhigh and Effort keep slumping this is going to be what a good day for CJ looks like in the Proleague.
in what dimension is skyhigh slumping? or are you joking.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
On August 17 2009 20:17 motbob wrote: If Movie and Skyhigh and Effort keep slumping this is going to be what a good day for CJ looks like in the Proleague.
in what dimension is skyhigh slumping? or are you joking.
He was slumping pretty hard before the playoffs.
Oh you meant keep doing it as in slump again. Yeah I gotcha.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
I doubt Hite will play Yarnc in a tournament like this when he has OSL finals coming up, I'd expect their protoss players and younger zergs to be the ones sent in.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
You're asking for leta fanboys on purpose lol.
I think even Leta fanboys know that Leta doesn't stand a chance against Flash, not after watching GOM.
On August 17 2009 20:17 motbob wrote: If Movie and Skyhigh and Effort keep slumping this is going to be what a good day for CJ looks like in the Proleague.
in what dimension is skyhigh slumping? or are you joking.
He was slumping pretty hard before the playoffs.
Oh you meant keep doing it as in slump again. Yeah I gotcha.
OK smartass, if you want to be smart how's this: I meant that Skyhigh would continue his recent record of poor play in the Proleague regular season, and thus keep slumping. There.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
Horang2 and Leta both have a chance. I'd say Yarnc is a heavy favorite vs Flash though, so if they can just save him to beat flash down, then they should take it easily.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
You're asking for leta fanboys on purpose lol.
I think even Leta fanboys know that Leta doesn't stand a chance against Flash, not after watching GOM.
I'd give Leta a fair chance, say 40%, to defeat Flash. Let's not forget that Flash lost one against Iris (and almost lost another one).
On August 17 2009 20:17 motbob wrote: If Movie and Skyhigh and Effort keep slumping this is going to be what a good day for CJ looks like in the Proleague.
in what dimension is skyhigh slumping? or are you joking.
He was slumping pretty hard before the playoffs.
Oh you meant keep doing it as in slump again. Yeah I gotcha.
OK smartass, if you want to be smart how's this: I meant that Skyhigh would continue his recent record of poor play in the Proleague regular season, and thus keep slumping. There.
... I know, I was saying I got you sincerely I didnt know what you meant before... I had forced his regular season play out of my head so I didnt get you at first...
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
Horang2 and Leta both have a chance. I'd say Yarnc is a heavy favorite vs Flash though, so if they can just save him to beat flash down, then they should take it easily.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
Horang2 and Leta both have a chance. I'd say Yarnc is a heavy favorite vs Flash though, so if they can just save him to beat flash down, then they should take it easily.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
Horang2 and Leta both have a chance. I'd say Yarnc is a heavy favorite vs Flash though, so if they can just save him to beat flash down, then they should take it easily.
No one is a heavy favorite vs Flash.
Not usually. But I think that given how poorly Flash is playing against competent aggressive zergs lately, I would say that Calm, Jaedong, or Yarnc would be a heavy favorite to beat Flash right now.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Hinanawi wrote: If someone on KT can snipe Yarnc (like Firefist!), I can't see KT losing to hite. Who on hite besides Yarnc can beat Flash?
Horang2 and Leta both have a chance. I'd say Yarnc is a heavy favorite vs Flash though, so if they can just save him to beat flash down, then they should take it easily.
No one is a heavy favorite vs Flash.
Not usually. But I think that given how poorly Flash is playing against competent aggressive zergs lately, I would say that Calm, Jaedong, or Yarnc would be a heavy favorite to beat Flash right now.
That's when FlaSh was doing unorthodox builds, or being stubborn about building turrets lol. Seeing how he is playing much more standard, I would say that it's assuming a lot that those Zergs are a heavy favorite against FlaSh.
On August 17 2009 20:27 Carnac wrote: Didnt Hyuk do like a 3 kill last season? Really shows the profile of this tournament rofl
Cuteangel 3killed SKT1 last season too.
this is even better hahaha
The guy who went 0-12 in proleague? Sad.
To be fair, he didn't exactly go 0-12 the season before this one. He reminds me of Mumyung: Given everyone's attitudes towards them, you'd think they'd have a win ration of 5%. lol
Man KT team is turning out to be quite nice now, Violet Flash Firefist, they are doing much better than Oz in the terms of 1 man army finally getting some fucken back up.
On August 18 2009 04:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is the most surprising all-kill by far. PianO is a decent player, always has been.
I'm shocked.
Naw, I thought Flying's destruction of MBC was more impressive. Firefist we've heard from plenty of times, Flying though was making like his first couple of TV appearances then.
But man Firefist, what a beast. He really did drink all the gatorade.
Firefist is pretty okay outside of really terrible ZvT. As bad as his record is (33% winning percentage), it probably doesn't show how pathetic he usually looks in that matchup, though he did just beat Upmagic apparently, so maybe he's improving.
On August 18 2009 04:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is the most surprising all-kill by far. PianO is a decent player, always has been.
I'm shocked.
But he all-killed in a league that mattered. And against players that were both good and in shape. If this were back in the winners league, Firefist would've played Iris and Kwanro instead of Hydra and Orion.
On August 18 2009 04:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote: This is the most surprising all-kill by far. PianO is a decent player, always has been.
I'm shocked.
Naw, I thought Flying's destruction of MBC was more impressive. Firefist we've heard from plenty of times, Flying though was making like his first couple of TV appearances then.
But man Firefist, what a beast. He really did drink all the gatorade.
flying beat MBC's strongest lineup too. Other than effort, firefist's victories weren't entriely unexpected.
Does no one think that CJ didn't try at all? Or are we all just taking that as given? I mean, as soon as Firefist won game 3, it would have made most sense to send out Effort or Iris, the 2 players on CJ with the best vZ right now...
On August 18 2009 08:52 pavement ist rad wrote: Does no one think that CJ didn't try at all? Or are we all just taking that as given? I mean, as soon as Firefist won game 3, it would have made most sense to send out Effort or Iris, the 2 players on CJ with the best vZ right now...
You might think that, but then, why would KT send Firefist when down two to nothing. They could've sent Flash or Luxury or ForGG or even 815 and Tempest. Those guys all are overall better players than Firefist.
Sometimes teams send out what appear to be weaker players because, well, I don't know, I guess they performed well in practice or they have a good strategy. Maybe CJ would've been better prepared with their best players if it was a playoff match, but that's a far cry from not trying.
Orion and Hydra were kind've weird, but hardly unprecedented choices. Effort made complete sense though, because CJ didn't want to run into Flash's TvT for the seventh game with Iris/Skyhigh.
I admit, I don't think KT cares very much about the Master's either - when they played Samsung, Flash would have been a safer bet in ace as he had been practicing so much TvT. And his TvT is just so much better than ForGG's. They probably didn't send him out because they didn't want him to reveal his build for GOM.
That said:
On August 18 2009 09:16 SimonB wrote:
Orion and Hydra were kind've weird, but hardly unprecedented choices. Effort made complete sense though, because CJ didn't want to run into Flash's TvT for the seventh game with Iris/Skyhigh.
I don't really agree with this because if they sent Iris (who has been practicing TvT, and has played against Flash recently) has a pretty good chance vs him. Plus, it's always great when 2 players meet each other in multiple tourneys/leagues to get revenge or whatnot. The results are not always the same. Plus, from CJ's perspective, if Iris snipes Firefist, then they are 3-1. They can then send Skyhigh, who, although may not win, will tire Flash out if both TvTs go for 30+ minute games. Then send in Effort for the killing blow. That's why I don't think they cared very much... Iris -> Skyhigh -> Effort would have given them more of a chance than Hydra -> Orion -> Effort
I don't think iris would be mentally prepared to take on flash on another TvT. If Iris and flash were to play against each other again last night, I would imagine the thought that iris would be having in his head is "omg, not another TvT with flash", and NOT something like, "I believe I can beat this mofo."
What was shown sunday night wasn't a close series. Iris won the first game through a brilliant strategy, but it was VERY clear to all concerned that he just could not keep up the macro, chess and dropship play that flash displayed. There was no contention afterward the match that flash simply OUTPLAYED iris. NO CONTENTION.
This is a very different scenario compared to Jaedong vs Fantasy Batoo Finals, and the subsequent heartbreak ridge proleague game where fantasy beat jaedong. VERY different. Fantasy was within a drone and 2 zergling's claws away from clinching game 5. It was THAT close.
Iris, on the other hand, was no where near winning another 2 games after set 1, bar another 2 brilliant unseen TvT strategies.
On August 18 2009 08:34 fusionsdf wrote: flying beat MBC's strongest lineup too. Other than effort, firefist's victories weren't entriely unexpected.
I'd have to say this 'weaker' CJ lineup is stronger than MBC's strongest, though.
On August 18 2009 08:52 pavement ist rad wrote: Does no one think that CJ didn't try at all? Or are we all just taking that as given? I mean, as soon as Firefist won game 3, it would have made most sense to send out Effort or Iris, the 2 players on CJ with the best vZ right now...
Not entirely, first of all because IriS has been practicing TvT a lot and will be in a poor frame of mine after losing in the GOM finals, which apparently he had been practicing very hard for so it meant something to him, and secondly because that would leave their start player EffOrt to be sniped - it is generally best to save your best player for last to clean up the mess.
On August 18 2009 09:25 pavement ist rad wrote: I don't really agree with this because if they sent Iris (who has been practicing TvT, and has played against Flash recently) has a pretty good chance vs him. Plus, it's always great when 2 players meet each other in multiple tourneys/leagues to get revenge or whatnot. The results are not always the same. Plus, from CJ's perspective, if Iris snipes Firefist, then they are 3-1. They can then send Skyhigh, who, although may not win, will tire Flash out if both TvTs go for 30+ minute games. Then send in Effort for the killing blow. That's why I don't think they cared very much... Iris -> Skyhigh -> Effort would have given them more of a chance than Hydra -> Orion -> Effort
Again, IriS probably doesn't want to be facing FlaSh again right now - he was outplayed in the GOM finals and would be mentally and emotionally drained, and probably needs a short break while he can get it. I think CJ seemed to have a plan - beat FireFist in a ZvZ (maybe they confused him with HoeJJa? n_n) and while it might not be a very smart plan (I remember people in winnersleague trying to snipe JD with ZvZ...) it doesn't mean they didn't care. Not caring doesn't mean 'throwing the game away' - they would have suspected OriOn and/or Hydra have a chance (or perhaps they wanted to give Hydra some experience). Also you could say the same about KT not sending Luxury or fOrGG but seeing it payed off no one questions it. If they feel sKyHigh needs more practice time without being under pressure to get back into form then that might be the reason they don't send him, and the reason Luxury might not be appearing for KT.
It's an exhibition match, ofc none of the teams will play all their best players. This is a perfect opportunity to let newer players to get used to the stage without worrying if they lose or not.
Guys, it's fairly well known that the Masters are an off season cup, and AREN'T taken that seriously by the teams. It's used as practice, more or less. Teams use it to get their less experienced players out there so they can get used to playing televised matches.
Firefist went for a ridiculously good timing attack on Movie's main when he attempted to expand. Firefist dropped hydra/lurk into Movie's main, and also attacked the nat from 2 directions with lings.
I suppose it's only a AHHH WTF moment if you're cheering for Firefist
Not sure if I can make the OP for tonight's STX Masters, mostly because my internet has been terrible lately (randomly disconnecting every 5-10 minutes and lagging when it is actually up)
On August 19 2009 03:35 Stratos_speAr wrote: Guys, it's fairly well known that the Masters are an off season cup, and AREN'T taken that seriously by the teams. It's used as practice, more or less. Teams use it to get their less experienced players out there so they can get used to playing televised matches.
Not at all! That’s why Flash is not in Blizzcon. The Masters is KeSPA sanctioned tournament and winners obtained ranking points.
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