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Gnojfatelob
Profile Joined April 2008
Belgium216 Posts
April 25 2009 16:01 GMT
#1
Since it is now officially allowed on iccup, i suppose we can call it micro. Can someone explain to me how this works exactly?
Probably the best starcraft player in the world
vAltyR
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States581 Posts
April 25 2009 16:04 GMT
#2
if you place an observer directly over a missile turret, the turret will not fire.
내 호버크라프트는 장어로 가득 차 있어요
FreeDoM[YA]
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada855 Posts
April 25 2009 16:07 GMT
#3
And for a terran to counter that, he has to hit "stop" on the turret the observer is placed over
Michaelj
Profile Joined February 2008
United States186 Posts
April 25 2009 16:08 GMT
#4
it's best to place it as it's building, by must spamming click-move onto the turret. It's possible to move an observer over an already-built turret, and it will barely survive, but i don't know how useful that is, or how consistent you can make it. I think you can do this with a shuttle too.

the problem is that the terran can spam "stop" on the turret and it will fire at the observer anyway, so it might not be worth your observers if you are playing against a good terran
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kaleidoscope
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Singapore2887 Posts
April 25 2009 16:46 GMT
#5
Terran will have to pay more attention to the floating turret, or not, it will provide useful scouting area for the P..

Basically place your obs above the turret.. By press S on the turret, it will attack the obs, in a SPIRAL MOTION! Woo! Tornado..
대지따라 돌린게 시간이다.. 흘러가고 돌아오지도 않고..
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
April 25 2009 16:53 GMT
#6
On April 26 2009 01:08 Michaelj wrote:
I think you can do this with a shuttle too.


can be done with a scourge? or an ovie?
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
April 25 2009 16:56 GMT
#7
This is useless and you will always lose the observer if the terran ever glances at that turret.
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revolover
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada134 Posts
April 25 2009 17:02 GMT
#8
On April 26 2009 01:56 Cloud wrote:
This is useless and you will always lose the observer if the terran ever glances at that turret.

Hey, why's there a red dot in my base on the minimap? Yeah, pretty useless.
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1080 Posts
April 25 2009 17:13 GMT
#9
Its not as useful as bugs like hold lurker or workers using mineral walk to walk trough units which are accepted bugs. I dont understand why turret stalling was banned in the first place.
mostly harmless
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 25 2009 17:19 GMT
#10
sometimes you have to spam stop for it to work though

easy to find, but still annoying
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
April 25 2009 17:29 GMT
#11
This is good news, now protoss will give terrans free observer kills in all ranks above D-
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
April 25 2009 17:32 GMT
#12
On April 26 2009 02:02 revolover wrote:
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On April 26 2009 01:56 Cloud wrote:
This is useless and you will always lose the observer if the terran ever glances at that turret.

Hey, why's there a red dot in my base on the minimap? Yeah, pretty useless.


Hey, why has my turret stopped moving completely?? OH WAIT theres a fucking obs on top of it!

Yeah, its useless.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Pyro]v[aniac
Profile Joined October 2008
United States147 Posts
April 25 2009 17:40 GMT
#13
im pretty sure that the turret will still "detect" the ob even tho its not firing at it. so a single marine comes and your fuxed....
cyronc
Profile Joined March 2008
218 Posts
April 25 2009 17:49 GMT
#14
well the abusing isnt really the vision thing, its more like 'hey you are protoss and want your shuttle to travel in opponent base without harm? then use our new [turret staller 2.0™ obsever for only 25/75/1]...you have to use proper timing tzhough so no warranty is given about any damage inflicted while using our awesome technique...'

cuz that could be a pain in the ass for t if his turrets dont take out the shuttle in the few moments he has noticing that observers stall the turrets attack animation
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Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
April 25 2009 17:50 GMT
#15
On April 26 2009 01:08 Michaelj wrote:
it's best to place it as it's building, by must spamming click-move onto the turret. It's possible to move an observer over an already-built turret, and it will barely survive, but i don't know how useful that is, or how consistent you can make it. I think you can do this with a shuttle too.

the problem is that the terran can spam "stop" on the turret and it will fire at the observer anyway, so it might not be worth your observers if you are playing against a good terran

Yes you can do it with a shuttle! In Diplomacy Gold 7.7 or w/e you could get free money by dropping an scv on an island with a capturable city, and put the shuttle over the turret and have the scv kill the turret after you froze it! :D It didn't always work though Much easier to do with a turret during construction.
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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-25 17:52:38
April 25 2009 17:51 GMT
#16
It's not useless at all, it can be used to disable a critical turret in a turret wall so that your really early shuttle/reaver actually can get through to their scvs.
Or it can be used (as stork did recently) to disable a turret beeing built in a push for a few critical seconds while you zealot bomb the tank line and break the push.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
sashkata
Profile Joined September 2008
Bulgaria3241 Posts
April 25 2009 18:18 GMT
#17
You can do the same thing without the bug. Just send the observer first to draw fire and your shuttle will make it in np.
myfriendPlank
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States550 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-27 11:02:47
April 25 2009 18:28 GMT
#18
Too bad this doesn't work vs the computer turret. I've tried awhile ago... when does this liquibition match start? Anyone?
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 25 2009 18:37 GMT
#19
On April 26 2009 03:28 myfriendPlank wrote:
Too bad this doesn't work vs the computer turret. I've tried awhile ago... when does this liquibation match start? Anyone?


Wrong thread, upcoming events, and it does work against the computer.
Hi.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 25 2009 18:41 GMT
#20
it's not useless if the T is pushing and has to buid up a turret because of the lack of mobile detection and limited scan capacity, you deny that turret and the whole game could be affected by it.
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
April 25 2009 18:43 GMT
#21
On April 26 2009 03:41 Geo.Rion wrote:
it's not useless if the T is pushing and has to buid up a turret because of the lack of mobile detection and limited scan capacity, you deny that turret and the whole game could be affected by it.


What do you mean? This doesn't make it not detect or not build, all it does is stop the turret from shooting.
Hi.
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
April 25 2009 18:58 GMT
#22
Its way cool to call it out as useless!!
....

It was used in GOM not long ago but I forgot what game...

However it requires special circumstances. For example locking a turret being built to buy just enough time to get a shuttle there.

just like tasteless said it's a healthy bug that should be allowed seing how making it worth it requires good micro and thought
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
April 25 2009 19:00 GMT
#23
it's not completely useless if you're going in for a clutch reaver/dt drop, but I don't see how I could use this often.
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
April 25 2009 19:02 GMT
#24
Stork vs MVP Game 1 on Destination in GOM, if I'm not mistaken.
GANDHISAUCE
MachineHead
Profile Joined January 2009
United States151 Posts
April 25 2009 19:22 GMT
#25
I don't see how people could call this useless or why it would be allowed... You get vision that you *shouldn't* have, giving you vital information if you are planning an attack, and rendering the turret as useless... as it doesn't shoot at anything. Sometimes it can take so much time of spamming stop on the turret before it starts firing at the obs; SC is obviously a fast paced game, so you can't afford to just be spamming stop on your turret for 20 secs and crossing your fingers...

To me, it obviously shouldn't be allowed, but since no one wants to deal with/knows how to deal with complaints if someone complains about the bug -- as it is usually hard to determine "this bug cost me the game," so may as well have it be permitted. But for a pro league, that's kinda odd, I don't think it used to be that way. Is it just GOM that allows this?
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
April 25 2009 20:50 GMT
#26
On April 26 2009 04:22 MachineHead wrote:
I don't see how people could call this useless or why it would be allowed... You get vision that you *shouldn't* have, giving you vital information if you are planning an attack, and rendering the turret as useless... as it doesn't shoot at anything. Sometimes it can take so much time of spamming stop on the turret before it starts firing at the obs; SC is obviously a fast paced game, so you can't afford to just be spamming stop on your turret for 20 secs and crossing your fingers...

To me, it obviously shouldn't be allowed, but since no one wants to deal with/knows how to deal with complaints if someone complains about the bug -- as it is usually hard to determine "this bug cost me the game," so may as well have it be permitted. But for a pro league, that's kinda odd, I don't think it used to be that way. Is it just GOM that allows this?

It's always been allowed in korea afaik.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 25 2009 21:29 GMT
#27
hmm.. in sc2 they should give the observer an ability called "lock down building turret" lol
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theobsessed1
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States576 Posts
April 25 2009 21:32 GMT
#28
Useless or not, it's inevitable that newbie Protoss rats are going to attempt doing some gay shuttle drops or suicide observers every once in awhile. Finally something to look forward to in TvP :D

If they do manage to pull it off, it really isn't hard to locate unless you are truly horrible. A toss did it to me when I was illegal and I remember making an effort to report him >_>
정명훈 화이팅!~
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
April 25 2009 23:36 GMT
#29
Originally it was banned because people didn't know how to deal with it. But once you know you can just hit S its no different than the frozen units glitch that happens like every game anyways.

No person with any sense will ever even use this bug because the other player can easily kill the ob anyways.

And yes it's allowed in korea. I think there was some mishap when a pro used it in a tourney where it was banned and he got DQed or they had to play the match over.

It should be allowed imo because no one is gonna use it anyways.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
TryThis
Profile Joined February 2007
Canada1522 Posts
April 25 2009 23:41 GMT
#30
you can 'stall' turrets with drops/shuttles aswell, if you come from a bottem angel and hit drop directly onto the turret it will stop firing while the units drop out safely.
Dwell
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
April 25 2009 23:56 GMT
#31
i already asked... can be done with scourge? could be useful... in muta harrass...
Stork FAN!!!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66159 Posts
April 26 2009 00:27 GMT
#32
If a pushing terran has no anti-air, and only has a turret, you can freeze it by spamming move on the turret. The terran will still be able to see your observer, but won't attack unless you spam 'stop' on your turret to un-freeze it.
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GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
April 27 2009 01:01 GMT
#33
LOL I didn't know spamming stop makes the turret fire. I do this to my friends all the time when I play my friends and they don't know about it either
uglymoose89
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States671 Posts
April 27 2009 03:10 GMT
#34
IMO this would only be applicable during a slow push by a terran. You would sneak a ob over the terran's turret while you are attacking and this would allow you to see where the mines are place and how deep the tank line goes. I think the terran would be too busy to spam stop at that moment to kill the ob.
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