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TvT Tank/Wraith

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AznSkillz88
Profile Joined July 2003
52 Posts
November 27 2003 10:58 GMT
#1
In TvT, is it a good strat to have 1 factory pumping out tanks and 1 port pumping out wraiths in the beginning? Can you guys give me the ups and downs of this strat? Thanks.
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hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-27 11:08:22
November 27 2003 11:07 GMT
#2
Leaves you wide open to the two basic starts of TvT: Fast goliath drop, as wraith suck vs goliaths, and 1 fac producing tanks probably won't be enough to stop it, especially if he keeps the goliaths coming. Turret/tank, your wraiths are useless, as 1 turret will take out 5+ wraiths, and he'll have more factories out producing your 1fac tank production. However, it might be good if you catch him off guard, and he hasn't made any turrets yet.. but then again, 1 fast wraith doesn't really do enough damage to stop an scv from building.. so might not be so good.

or if he goes 2 port wraith, not as likely as the others, he'll obviously have you overpowered in the air, and thus on the ground too, since tanks don't shoot air
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
November 27 2003 11:11 GMT
#3
I used to do it for fun - if you go gas first you'll have cloackwraith and siege kinad fast. You can also get a dship pretty soon. I won more than I lost with it.

Its bad vs 2 port wraith.

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Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
November 27 2003 11:41 GMT
#4
dont think is good
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AznSkillz88
Profile Joined July 2003
52 Posts
November 27 2003 11:52 GMT
#5
yeah i just did it...it seemed to me if i got my gas on 12....i ran short on gas because i went cloak with siege...i think itll work better with gas before rax...im still testing this strategy out
Blue(o.O)Berry
z7-TranCe
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada3158 Posts
November 27 2003 11:53 GMT
#6
Yosh used to do something like that,it worked well for him too
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StierKooL
Profile Joined March 2003
Peru194 Posts
November 27 2003 11:53 GMT
#7
vultures+tanks... turrets
salsal.
z7-TranCe
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada3158 Posts
November 27 2003 11:54 GMT
#8
it was fast exp->2portwraith->pump tank,later more wraiths

there was a rep of him vs aquarius kickin around if you wanna check it out.
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x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 27 2003 11:59 GMT
#9
It's a good strat for throwing off opponents.
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BrokenWings-
Profile Joined October 2003
Canada41 Posts
November 27 2003 13:19 GMT
#10
"your wraiths are useless, as 1 turret will take out 5+ wraiths,"
Are you kidding me?
I think we have a newbie on our hands...
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Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
November 27 2003 13:23 GMT
#11
Is 1 Fact Fast Expo a Safe TvT build?
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 27 2003 13:30 GMT
#12
On November 27 2003 22:23 Elsi wrote:
Is 1 Fact Fast Expo a Safe TvT build?


It's bad if your opponent goes for a powerful offense early.
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AznSkillz88
Profile Joined July 2003
52 Posts
November 27 2003 13:50 GMT
#13
i dont usually fast expo against terran because since most terran players fly their barracks aruond ur base then they can tank ur ledge or drop harass
Blue(o.O)Berry
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
November 27 2003 14:32 GMT
#14
1 fac 1 port is good v any build that doesnt involve anti air, which basically doesnt exist in high skilled tvts, so it sucks. fast expo is safe in the fact u wont die early, its unsafe in the fact that it sucks as a build
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Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 27 2003 14:39 GMT
#15
On November 27 2003 22:30 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2003 22:23 Elsi wrote:
Is 1 Fact Fast Expo a Safe TvT build?


It's bad if your opponent goes for a powerful offense early.


Rofl

"Powerful Offense" ????????????

hahahahahahahahaahaha, the whole point of early expo is to make them try to take cliff / attack early and you can still defend it, and then take the advantage mid game once you have more money and equal guys
why so 진지해?
pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
November 27 2003 14:47 GMT
#16
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SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
November 27 2003 16:05 GMT
#17
I've noticed pros using the 1 fac 1 port build a lot lately... they did on the nada vs xellos game, both went for that build and both added more ports and facts after exp or something like that, it seems to be a good build... some pro korean raped me with it when i played him on wgtour and tvt is my best mu -.-
Son Of Law
Fox
Profile Joined September 2002
United States408 Posts
November 27 2003 16:09 GMT
#18
why would you ever do that, when you can do 2 fact and 1 port.

The cost of 3-4 wraiths is the same as an extra factory and 2 goliaths.

Wraiths in small numbers aren't exactly powerful, it's like getting small amounts of mutas or something.

Fox
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Moth
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden468 Posts
November 27 2003 16:13 GMT
#19
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Its all about the Benjamins
MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
November 27 2003 16:20 GMT
#20
How does Lee get in there? Are you crazy? Just because he beat boxer once half a year ago?

Boxer, Xellos, T.3)friend, sync are all better than him IMO
Moth
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden468 Posts
November 27 2003 17:06 GMT
#21
Cause i like lee . nah xellos has lost his skills, but i forgot about sync.. that guy is rad
Its all about the Benjamins
SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
November 27 2003 17:23 GMT
#22
On November 28 2003 01:09 Fox wrote:
why would you ever do that, when you can do 2 fact and 1 port.

The cost of 3-4 wraiths is the same as an extra factory and 2 goliaths.

Wraiths in small numbers aren't exactly powerful, it's like getting small amounts of mutas or something.

Fox


if you do that you cant get both cloak and siege mode. cloak is for stopping double port and siege for gol and other stuff
Son Of Law
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 27 2003 18:15 GMT
#23
On November 27 2003 23:39 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2003 22:30 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
On November 27 2003 22:23 Elsi wrote:
Is 1 Fact Fast Expo a Safe TvT build?


It's bad if your opponent goes for a powerful offense early.


Rofl

"Powerful Offense" ????????????

hahahahahahahahaahaha, the whole point of early expo is to make them try to take cliff / attack early and you can still defend it, and then take the advantage mid game once you have more money and equal guys


The last time I saw a fast expo was when McNasty tried it and Kenka owned it.
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x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 27 2003 18:16 GMT
#24
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SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
November 27 2003 18:42 GMT
#25
pro gamers say k0s is the best tvt in the world
Son Of Law
HovZ
Profile Joined December 2002
United States1917 Posts
November 27 2003 19:44 GMT
#26
origin the pros would beat u with any build tvt
z7-Rain : D Block is a rly good rapper, cosmo : mobb deep is a rly good rapper, cosmo : that song notorious thugs by bone and andre nickatana is sick
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
November 27 2003 20:10 GMT
#27
On November 28 2003 03:15 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2003 23:39 [pG]Rekrul wrote:
On November 27 2003 22:30 x[ReaPeR]x wrote:
On November 27 2003 22:23 Elsi wrote:
Is 1 Fact Fast Expo a Safe TvT build?


It's bad if your opponent goes for a powerful offense early.


Rofl

"Powerful Offense" ????????????

hahahahahahahahaahaha, the whole point of early expo is to make them try to take cliff / attack early and you can still defend it, and then take the advantage mid game once you have more money and equal guys


The last time I saw a fast expo was when McNasty tried it and Kenka owned it.


Well if you're going to post in a strategy thread, I hope next time you let everyone know that you have no idea what you're talking about and that you base everything you know off of one game you've seen.
why so 진지해?
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
November 27 2003 20:18 GMT
#28
Let's consult the Blizzard Strategy Guide.

"Counter Tank with Scout."

I guess the solution is switching to protoss.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
AznSkillz88
Profile Joined July 2003
52 Posts
November 27 2003 22:37 GMT
#29
On November 28 2003 05:18 FakeSteve wrote:
Let's consult the Blizzard Strategy Guide.

"Counter Tank with Scout."

I guess the solution is switching to protoss.


rofl
Blue(o.O)Berry
thabumper
Profile Joined March 2009
United States5 Posts
March 22 2009 08:49 GMT
#30
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