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[Q] stack wraith and micro like muta?

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ExSoldier
Profile Joined April 2008
378 Posts
June 07 2008 17:56 GMT
#1
how do u stack wraith and micro them? do you do it like muta? instead of using ovie would u use scv?

a good example of this would be the recent msl match lomo vs Kwanro
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
June 07 2008 18:06 GMT
#2
AFAIK, you can use it with any unit.

Well, larva is one of the most used examples with mutas because it can't move. A sieged tank defending your mineral line would be a good choice.

Pros to tend to use ovies beause they utilize all their larva and the ovies move slow enough that they probably won't make it to the opponents based to get sniped.
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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 07 2008 18:08 GMT
#3
unless you have a trapped unit somewhere (a bad scv, or more likely a marine surrounded by other marines) you have to rely on clicking on minerals to stack
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Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
June 07 2008 18:19 GMT
#4
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?
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GoShox
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1837 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 19:13:04
June 07 2008 18:20 GMT
#5
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?


LOL
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 07 2008 18:21 GMT
#6
A sieged tank defending your mineral line would be a good choice.

A good idea, but unfortunately I don't think you're going to have a siege tank with siege mode out that early (that is, in your wraith attack timing).

Better to just trap an SCV somewhere if you really want to stack the wraiths so badly. afaik though, wraiths can be microed pretty gosu without stacking them with magic boxes.
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InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
June 07 2008 18:35 GMT
#7
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?


lol!
w/e
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 07 2008 18:45 GMT
#8
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?

ahaha
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Hyperionnn
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Turkey4968 Posts
June 07 2008 18:47 GMT
#9
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?


Gold.
YoUr_KiLLeR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States3420 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 19:13:18
June 07 2008 19:13 GMT
#10
wraiths are easier to stack than mutas from what i've seen. just group them on a mineral or building or whatever, they dont seem to unstack as easily as mutas do.
what the fuck do you have to say for yourself now you protoss jackass can you retaliate in any way
skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
June 07 2008 19:26 GMT
#11
Trap an scv using supply depots or something and it will work using that scv.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
June 07 2008 19:38 GMT
#12
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?

L
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im deaf
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
June 07 2008 19:52 GMT
#13
a marine works as well and doesnt require you to sacrifice an scv.
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JoxxOr
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Sweden1502 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 20:09:55
June 07 2008 20:09 GMT
#14
How do you micro these against scourge then? Patrol like mutas vs Scorgue, or patrol like vulture or hold like mutas?
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Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
June 07 2008 20:12 GMT
#15
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?

LMAO!!!!!
are you saying that to make us laugh or are you being serious?
Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
June 07 2008 20:19 GMT
#16
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?

I don't know what to say...
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NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
June 07 2008 20:27 GMT
#17
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?


Hahahaha! Epic.
jtan
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden5891 Posts
June 07 2008 20:29 GMT
#18
meh don't bully the newbies

anyway when I do the wraith build vs zerg I wall in and just group 1 scv with the wraiths
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
June 07 2008 21:07 GMT
#19
On June 08 2008 05:09 JoxxOr wrote:
How do you micro these against scourge then? Patrol like mutas vs Scorgue, or patrol like vulture or hold like mutas?


Looking at the VOD it looks like hold position works. Not sure about patrol though.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-07 21:28:42
June 07 2008 21:27 GMT
#20
If you have a tight wall-in you shouldn't need to trap a unit, just use an scv in your base, or marine if you're not under ling threat. Edit you should also be able to build something with that scv and still stack it while it's building, saving some off-mine time
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Hypnosis
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States2061 Posts
June 07 2008 22:46 GMT
#21
you can just set an scv trapping another scv behind your min line and use that. Its the easiest way i would think. plus when your using wraiths like that you are probably defending your base so you have some extra units there to use as your wraith-anchor
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Captain
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States204 Posts
June 08 2008 00:03 GMT
#22
For the record, yes, you can stack wraiths like mutas, and the principle is the same.

If you're going to do that, I recommend you not waste an SCV by trapping it; rather, save yourself 50 minerals and just select an SCV that's building something along with your wraiths. That way, the SCV will continue building, your wraiths are stacked, and you don't lose 50 minerals. (Mind you, it does take some reasonable micro- if you don't check on your base every sixty seconds or so, you could be in trouble.)

XD
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tehAscender
Profile Joined April 2007
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-08 01:04:50
June 08 2008 01:04 GMT
#23
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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
June 08 2008 01:23 GMT
#24
On June 08 2008 05:29 jtan wrote:
meh don't bully the newbies

anyway when I do the wraith build vs zerg I wall in and just group 1 scv with the wraiths

We arent saying anything bad; we're just laughing our asses off.
im deaf
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
June 13 2008 18:26 GMT
#25
The marine surrounded my other marines sounds like the best idea that early. Otherwise, sieged tank is the win, ofc.
On June 08 2008 05:12 Darkmole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?

LMAO!!!!!
are you saying that to make us laugh or are you being serious?


It has to be a joke. . ?
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.kaz
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
1963 Posts
June 13 2008 18:39 GMT
#26
For those of you asking / don't know. Thanks to Idra a few days ago in a random thread~
To micro wraith vs scourge, you patrol ontop of your wraiths. Say you're flying away, P, click your wraith group, then move away again quickly. Your wraiths will spin around, fire, and keep moving. Its fairly easy and rapes scourge O_O.
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Triskaidecapod
Profile Joined April 2008
United States18 Posts
June 13 2008 18:51 GMT
#27
On June 08 2008 03:19 Emptyness wrote:
Can't you use a flying rax or e-bay? They move really slow .

Do the stacked wraiths take damage like the stacked mutas ?


Maybe you're getting BW mixed up with SC II!? Although I don't know if MBS allows the selection of buildings and units at the same time...

I don't know about buildings, but mineral patches certainly work for stacking. Also, because wraiths unstack much less easily than mutas there's usually no need to find a trapped unit.
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
June 13 2008 19:19 GMT
#28
On June 14 2008 03:39 .kaz wrote:
For those of you asking / don't know. Thanks to Idra a few days ago in a random thread~
To micro wraith vs scourge, you patrol ontop of your wraiths. Say you're flying away, P, click your wraith group, then move away again quickly. Your wraiths will spin around, fire, and keep moving. Its fairly easy and rapes scourge O_O.

goddammit beat to it in that thread and this thread as well fuck
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
June 13 2008 19:50 GMT
#29
Boxer did this in one of the pimpest plays (2002 I believe) and it could be useful, but building up 8-11 wraiths is not as easy as building up mutalisks, which is why it isn't used as often. I guess the main reason is because it is slower and a lot more expensive. For Z, the mutalisks come 9 at a time (3 larvae, 3 hatches). Assuming you have 1-2 starports, then it would take a lot more time as well.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 13 2008 20:54 GMT
#30
On June 08 2008 05:29 jtan wrote:
meh don't bully the newbies

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ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
June 13 2008 21:14 GMT
#31
On June 14 2008 03:51 Triskaidecapod wrote:
mineral patches certainly work for stacking.


?????
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
June 13 2008 22:52 GMT
#32
On June 14 2008 06:14 ForAdun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2008 03:51 Triskaidecapod wrote:
mineral patches certainly work for stacking.


?????

you move to a mineral patch with air units...
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2898 Posts
June 13 2008 23:01 GMT
#33
manner depot a scv somewhere, in the back of a mineral line or in some corner and then just group the scv with ur wraiths and they act like muta. Hotkey # 1 should be the wraith / scv and Hotkey #2 should be the wraiths only, so u can control them with hotkey #1 and then immediately use heykey 2 to cloak them in an instant and then go back to hotkey 1 for more micoing.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-13 23:26:12
June 13 2008 23:25 GMT
#34
what G5 said + obviously on maps like colleseum where you have a block just hotkey any unit within ur base, and you're good to go.

Also, once you have siege mode, which you'll usually have around the time you've accumulated around 4-6 wraiths, simply use a sieged tank in your wraith control group. But if you can trap an SCV in your build early on, that is ideal.
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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
June 14 2008 01:00 GMT
#35
Duh, obviously, you just select one of HIS overlords or larvae. Problem solved.
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
June 14 2008 02:31 GMT
#36
On June 14 2008 10:00 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Duh, obviously, you just select one of HIS overlords or larvae. Problem solved.


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meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
June 14 2008 08:16 GMT
#37
On June 14 2008 10:00 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Duh, obviously, you just select one of HIS overlords or larvae. Problem solved.


Heh. You need Super Shuttle for that. In fact, just skip building wraiths altogether -- build your Super Shuttle straight away, wait for his mutas to pop out, pick THEM UP and use them for micro. GG.
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Y0z2
Profile Joined May 2005
21 Posts
June 14 2008 08:22 GMT
#38
select wraith with sieged tank?
HypnoticPoo
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Singapore291 Posts
June 14 2008 08:25 GMT
#39
On June 14 2008 17:22 Y0z2 wrote:
select wraith with sieged tank?


Lmao?
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Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
June 14 2008 08:58 GMT
#40
uhm o_O

ok, as i last check, floating building moves faster than overlord, so it's not viable i think
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
June 14 2008 09:20 GMT
#41
Why the hell would you trap an SCV? Just select one that's building something. By the time Wraiths are out, there's at least 1 SCV constantly building supplies, so just hotkey that SCV separately and also hotkey it together with the wraiths, and just keep rebuilding supply depots with the SCV everytime one is done.
Y0z2
Profile Joined May 2005
21 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-14 14:52:51
June 14 2008 14:50 GMT
#42
On June 14 2008 17:25 HypnoticPoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2008 17:22 Y0z2 wrote:
select wraith with sieged tank?


Lmao?

group a siege tank with wraith, then u can break the magic square
and stack wraith easily
the sieged tank cant move, it just stay there

btw, u cant group wraith with building
ForAdun
Profile Joined August 2007
Germany986 Posts
June 14 2008 17:00 GMT
#43
On June 14 2008 23:50 Y0z2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2008 17:25 HypnoticPoo wrote:
On June 14 2008 17:22 Y0z2 wrote:
select wraith with sieged tank?


Lmao?

group a siege tank with wraith, then u can break the magic square
and stack wraith easily
the sieged tank cant move, it just stay there

btw, u cant group wraith with building


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Ivory
Profile Joined May 2008
United States5 Posts
June 14 2008 17:10 GMT
#44
If Blizzard keeps doing their job you'll be able to in SC2.

Apparently Blizzard's job is to take all of the skill out of SC...
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
June 14 2008 17:17 GMT
#45
On June 14 2008 17:25 HypnoticPoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2008 17:22 Y0z2 wrote:
select wraith with sieged tank?


Lmao?

possible, dont know why the lmao
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