On December 02 2022 07:47 vOdToasT wrote: Some players have very fragile mentalities that are easily disrupted. A tilted player is easier to defeat. Many of these players are so called scrubs. A scrub is a player who makes excuses for his losses (glossary.infil.net). It's easy to identify this weakness, but how can we exploit it?
I have one idea: If you're playing a best of 5 and you're up a game, spend one game on a strategy that may or may not win, but that is very likely to tilt the opponent. For example: You're against Artosis and you're up a game, so you go carriers without robo, like Stork did against Light. Stuff like that.
My second idea is that, if you're ahead in a game and you know that you will win, instead of winning right away, pretend to be weak and drag the game out, making your opponent think that he has a chance.
Lower your apm, slow the game down, and play a tilting style that will piss the opponent off, sub optimally.
Throw away a carrier or two. Pretend you can't keep up and let your scourge chase his vessels to their death. If you have 8 full energy arbiters, mess up a recall attempt and pull a Jaehoon. This will make players like Artosis get angry at how much easier your race is, for you to be able to play that poorly and still win while not doing anything, setting you up for success in the next game in the series.
However, if an actual threat is presented, like an expansion attempt, you go tryhard for a while and shut it down. After that, it's back to sitting around and doing nothing. A plague here, some lings there, etc.
Of course, different scrubs get tilted by different things. Psychological warfare depends on the target to some extent. If I'm against someone who is prone to thinking that people maphack, I might hunt things in the darkness hoping to catch something, because I know that when I finally do, he'll get tilted. If I'm against someone who hates cheese, I might go for more of that, etc.
These ideas are ok, but what I really want is a way to cause mental damage in a best of 1 format.
Look at this, for example:
In fighting games, I can pretend to be bad by doing a bunch of silly stuff, some of which isn't even very risky to me, but then hit the opponent with a 100% serious tryhard meaty safejump crossup the next round. If I'm ahead on health, I can wake up with DP over and over like a fool, so that when we're both low on health and the round is coming down to one last mixup, I can wake up with overhead or walk up grab, when my opponent expects the reversal.
Is there a way to do that in StarCraft? What do you think? Do you have any other techniques for tilting scrubs? How can we exploit weak mentalities in StarCraft?
A related question: How can we appear weak, without actually weakening our position in the game?
Actual cheating like lagging on purpose is unacceptable, and I also find rude remarks to be distasteful. I want to win, but not while being too much of an asshole. Sure, I could bully someone before the match to make him feel bad, and that might help me win, but I don't want to do stuff like that. Other than the above, give me your ideas.
Recognizing that the game is flawed is not being weak mentally though? It’s just being adult and annoyed that the game you love could be much better but is not, thus that you are kinda wasting your precious time playing it. Your psychological tactics make sense in competitions since being abusive might help you win (depending on your opponent), but in training it’s a complete waste of time imo -> you can shadow do it so you don’t have to trigger random people on purpose.
When did I imply that recognizing flaws is mental weakness? I recognise flaws and I don't get tilted by the game.
I never said I'd do it in training. I specifically mentioned tournament sets. I would obviously never train with someone who berates me for beating them in a particular way, or accuses me of cheating, and neither would such a player train with me.
I read bo1 and assumed it was practice and/or ladder coming from sc2, but iirc even in ASL tournaments they regularly use bo1, my bad!
To answer your first question: "This will make players like Artosis get angry at how much easier your race is, for you to be able to play that poorly and still win while not doing anything, setting you up for success in the next game in the series." this part. But I guess he found the solution to make money off it by keeping the tilt / angry persona on stream instead of just stopping playing.
Fair enough, no problem. Ladder may or may not be practice though depending on your mentality. You can use it to try new strategies, or you can attempt to tryhard towards a certain point rating.
On December 10 2022 10:34 vOdToasT wrote: Fair enough, no problem. Ladder may or may not be practice though depending on your mentality. You can use it to try new strategies, or you can attempt to tryhard towards a certain point rating.
Asuming you make it to BSL proleague with ez. Do you really find that many ( scrubby players ) in such tournament ?
I also fail to see the need of tilt such player. I will rather play my best to be done with it as fast as i can. ( in a tournament setup ) Will rather put my energy into beating the best players in the tourney.
Last. This game is old as shit why do u wanna tilt your small ass community bro.
On December 10 2022 10:34 vOdToasT wrote: Fair enough, no problem. Ladder may or may not be practice though depending on your mentality. You can use it to try new strategies, or you can attempt to tryhard towards a certain point rating.
Asuming you make it to BSL proleague with ez. Do you really find that many ( scrubby players ) in such tournament ?
I also fail to see the need of tilt such player. I will rather play my best to be done with it as fast as i can. ( in a tournament setup ) Will rather put my energy into beating the best players in the tourney.
Last. This game is old as shit why do u wanna tilt your small ass community bro.
I play against scrubs often. They call me lucky and accuse me of cheating. I don't like to lose to them, so I want any advantage I can get (that isn't cheating or attacking them outside of the game).
Tilting only works against people who deserve to be tilted, and such people will always find something to be angry at. You can try to be nice to them, but it's never enough, because they're at war with reality, so you might as well use their character flaw to win. They're doing it to themselves. If they were better people, it wouldn't affect them. It's just like playing a style someone is weak against, or playing safe vs a cheesy player, etc, except here the weakness is mental rather than skill based.
Using Artosis as an example again, you can pick Terran against him to try to keep the rage at bay, but even then, he'll still find something to complain about. He literally called me a stinking shitty cheeser when we did the exact same build order (1 base fact port), the only difference being that I build my starport in the middle of the map, while he built his in his base. It was on Plasma, so fact port was a standard build on the map. And even if I were a cheeser, so what? Zelot is a cheeser and a great player. Shine has cheesed Bisu out of several major tournaments. Cheesing against people who get tilted by cheese is a great choice, especially when the cheese is strong on its own.
on a similar note, i've learned to exploit some of these biases: 1. The more a player trash talks, the more he's likely to get upset when losing 2. If a player trash talks, if he wins first game easily, he will likely go for all-ins in the 2nd game. so go for blind counter often works. 3. on the other hand, i must also learn to control my own bias. if my opponent trash talks, he might be bluffing. he might actually not have a lead. i just need to be patient. also i should not let it mess up my routine.
one of the worst EMOTIONAL DAMAGE inflicting moves in history imo:
(I'm sorry if someone had mentioned it before. I tried to look for this because I was expecting someone to talk about this immediately but I couldn't find it.)
One time I prepared something for the next time someone trash talks me and wins, I wrote a simple java program that made my computer lag and started it up while I built pylons and canons all over map. That actually tilted the guy but it takes time so otherwise if someone trash talks me I'll just hard trash talk him and never play him again and that's it : / On a auto matchmaking I'd suggest just muting any bad mannered guy or even muting enemy chat altogether but I guess replying harshly to trash talk is alright.
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