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idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
March 24 2021 08:47 GMT
#1
Hi! I saw trutek vs oya bo5 on bsl. Oya use goon opening, it looks interesting. does anyone have replays with this bo (FE, goons, etc)?
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6505 Posts
March 24 2021 09:11 GMT
#2
imba strata tovarish
att
Profile Joined March 2020
128 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-24 09:54:28
March 24 2021 09:53 GMT
#3
Im not an expert but doesnt zerg mostly use lings at this stage of the game, who tend to be troublesome for the goons? Like goons can hold their own vs hydras if they have storm / reaver support but in when goons are in smaller numbers lings are a real threat to them

Again i didnt see the game so please ignore this if i misunderstand
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6505 Posts
March 24 2021 10:38 GMT
#4
On March 24 2021 18:53 att wrote:
Im not an expert but doesnt zerg mostly use lings at this stage of the game, who tend to be troublesome for the goons? Like goons can hold their own vs hydras if they have storm / reaver support but in when goons are in smaller numbers lings are a real threat to them

Again i didnt see the game so please ignore this if i misunderstand

What are u talking about ? Dragoons are photon canons that can walk.
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2031 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-24 13:06:26
March 24 2021 13:06 GMT
#5
Zerglings are great at countering dragoons. When they are 3-3 with adrenaline boost and swarm over them. Before that you need a ratio of 12 to 1 to win vs goons. :D
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g0rynich
Profile Joined October 2016
Russian Federation139 Posts
March 24 2021 17:20 GMT
#6
Generally meta nowadays trend to use more hydra then muta builds. But goon opening without corsair is very poor against mass muta/zerglings. Just a lack of experience and scouting prevents zergs to react proper. That build is used rarely in pro games. Need more sunks to defend and more and earlier muta. Generally if zerg plays lair/spire and scouts no cors with ovie or furst scourges he needs to make at least 5muta. Agaist goons zerg need to scout them and increase muta count.
idegelchik
Profile Joined September 2012
Russian Federation382 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-25 06:26:24
March 25 2021 06:24 GMT
#7
is it good openning for slow, low rank, protoss? (hellow king Kwarkinho, and his subjects).
Soulforged
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Latvia913 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-25 09:44:44
March 25 2021 09:21 GMT
#8
gorynich knows what's up ;/
this build isn't too much different from making X number of zealots early and attacking across. sure, you're forcing some larva to go into lings or sunkens early, but counter damage from mutas generally achieves more. there really isn't a counter to well controlled mutas besides corsairs and DA; no reason not to make 12+ if protoss lacks either
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3343 Posts
March 25 2021 14:47 GMT
#9
did not see the game, but could it possibly be related to this? (Wiki)5 Gate Ranged Goons (vs. Zerg)
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Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-25 22:12:10
March 25 2021 22:11 GMT
#10
Having watched the games i felt more like oya won despite his goon opening than because of ir. I share the critic about it here made by others.

@Baal no it was not the classic 5 gate goon. It was an earlier timing iirc. It was good for oya in the games where the pressure bought enough time to macro, get gates and 3 cans per min line iirc.
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HaFnium
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United Kingdom1074 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-25 22:47:56
March 25 2021 22:47 GMT
#11
I think best used this in one of his games holding hydra attack.. I think it's one of the ASL/ATSL games but I'm not sure..

But ya I dont think Oya won because of that.
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TaardadAiel
Profile Joined May 2017
Bulgaria750 Posts
March 26 2021 19:34 GMT
#12
I'd argue he did win because of it, since
1) it's unpopular and this leads to
2) it provokes a response, which can be (and was) suboptimal.

So it's a build that one mixes up in their plan for a series to keep the opposition honest.

Moreover, it's a build that suits oya's in-your-face approach as he makes a very funny push at a very funny timing to force Zerg into reacting with the units they have at hand, I mean, it's hard to scout when you have five zealots and a goon in your base.

Correct me if I'm wrong, please.
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prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania7763 Posts
March 28 2021 14:22 GMT
#13
Every time I see goon opening vs zerg I think about this game.

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