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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32280 Posts
July 20 2007 04:06 GMT
#21
If your mouse speed is good you can just manually select chunks of units and spread them and send them to different clumps of tanks. Doing this way ensures a correct choosing of a group thats closest to a tank group.

Using the shift method might send a group thats right next to a tank group to another thats not veyr accessible.

Good luck.
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
July 20 2007 04:19 GMT
#22
On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote:
ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD

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Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 20 2007 04:44 GMT
#23
Is this only true for siege mode tanks? Strange.

When I saw this topic, though, I was sure it was talking about PvT shift-clicking (cloning) sieged tanks with zealots. Now that's actually useful lots.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
July 20 2007 04:45 GMT
#24
I think you also might have issues with if the SCV's are your own vs if they are an enemies vs if they are an ally's
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epidion
Profile Joined November 2004
United States316 Posts
July 20 2007 04:53 GMT
#25
GrandInquisitor has a good point. I'm not sure that it would mess it up because when I'm observing I usually shift+attack to have them kill each other and it works. But who knows, that might be an issue that they are your SCV's.

Since the topic seems to be answered, I have a question.
In PvP low-number goon battles, do you target and shift+attack their goons? Let's say you have eight goons versus your opponent's eight. I will usually select all eight, right click one of their goons, then shift+click the rest of them so they always target the same ones and I can go back to macro-ing. If the numbers are larger (like 12) I'll usually do it with groups of six so excess shots aren't wasted.

What do you think?
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 20 2007 05:37 GMT
#26
On July 20 2007 08:34 Koltz wrote:
I've always heard that when fighting the protoss army with terran you're supposed to shift-attack the goons with ur tanks. (Read from DaZe's guide I think, but I saw merz FPVod where he shift clicks goons) But then i realized it doesn't work. Sieged tanks cant queue more than 1 action!

Try it: Make 5 tanks and spread 10 scvs apart. then use the tanks and shift-attack all 10 scvs. They attack the latest one then stop. The easiest way to notice this, is that the tank barrels rotate after every shift-click, meaning that they switch targets before the current one has died

wait so you think that tanks will attack one after one attack

they spread instead lol dont they? i remember playing a ums when i spread on 2 goons and i lost :/
CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
July 20 2007 05:50 GMT
#27
On July 20 2007 13:53 epidion wrote:
GrandInquisitor has a good point. I'm not sure that it would mess it up because when I'm observing I usually shift+attack to have them kill each other and it works. But who knows, that might be an issue that they are your SCV's.

Since the topic seems to be answered, I have a question.
In PvP low-number goon battles, do you target and shift+attack their goons? Let's say you have eight goons versus your opponent's eight. I will usually select all eight, right click one of their goons, then shift+click the rest of them so they always target the same ones and I can go back to macro-ing. If the numbers are larger (like 12) I'll usually do it with groups of six so excess shots aren't wasted.

What do you think?


I think microing away that first goon you targetted is going to kill your entire force, lmao.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-20 06:28:47
July 20 2007 06:27 GMT
#28
Yeah CharlieMurphy is right, if you shift-attack then him microing will have a serious impact on your troops.
And if you're going to look at them anyway, then just target manually. This will help if he microes as you can just switch targets on the spot.

On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote:
ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD


..erm, what I posted was an obvious joke, but even so, if you would have any idea about PvT you would realise that if terran gets 60 tanks he will melt your maxxed out army easily (even out?? rofl). Unless by "good macro" you actually ment to spell "mass carriers".
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Phyre
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1288 Posts
July 20 2007 07:04 GMT
#29
I just tried a few times against the comp today and as far as I can tell you can't shift+attack to que up attacks on units with sieged tanks. I used SCVs then Supply Depots and as you shift click they change targets and will always attack the one you last clicked on, ignoring any that you've que'ed. They can shift+attack que just fine in tank mode though.
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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
July 20 2007 07:11 GMT
#30
Obviously it doesn't work if the SCVs are your own. Did you really try with your own SCVs?
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
July 20 2007 08:30 GMT
#31
On July 20 2007 16:11 Shauni wrote:
Obviously it doesn't work if the SCVs are your own. Did you really try with your own SCVs?


This was what I was thinking. I've always been annoyed at not being able to shift+attack on your own units because it would only attack the last one.
imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
July 20 2007 09:17 GMT
#32
no it works....
just
1. attack normally (auto tank fire)
2. then do the shift a

should work fine... just like make random lassos of 3-4 tanks and shift attack them on a few goons, then lasso again and shift attack on some other goons.
you cant do this vs allied shit.
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
July 20 2007 10:27 GMT
#33
On July 20 2007 15:27 CubEdIn wrote:
Yeah CharlieMurphy is right, if you shift-attack then him microing will have a serious impact on your troops.
And if you're going to look at them anyway, then just target manually. This will help if he microes as you can just switch targets on the spot.

Show nested quote +
On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote:
ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD


..erm, what I posted was an obvious joke, but even so, if you would have any idea about PvT you would realise that if terran gets 60 tanks he will melt your maxxed out army easily (even out?? rofl). Unless by "good macro" you actually ment to spell "mass carriers".


Can't believe NaDazpwnz3r thinks 200/200 PvT battles are evened out
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XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
July 20 2007 10:31 GMT
#34
On July 20 2007 19:27 Equinox_kr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2007 15:27 CubEdIn wrote:
Yeah CharlieMurphy is right, if you shift-attack then him microing will have a serious impact on your troops.
And if you're going to look at them anyway, then just target manually. This will help if he microes as you can just switch targets on the spot.

On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote:
ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD


..erm, what I posted was an obvious joke, but even so, if you would have any idea about PvT you would realise that if terran gets 60 tanks he will melt your maxxed out army easily (even out?? rofl). Unless by "good macro" you actually ment to spell "mass carriers".


Can't believe NaDazpwnz3r thinks 200/200 PvT battles are evened out


Someone try a 200/200 SCV vs Probes, I wanna see how it goes.
CustomXSpunjah
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1093 Posts
July 20 2007 11:13 GMT
#35
someone try 200/200 mnm's vs anything protoss see how that works out
p.s. watch out for storm
beware, the rise of the Protoss is upon us!
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
July 20 2007 11:20 GMT
#36
On July 20 2007 20:13 CustomXSpunjah wrote:
someone try 200/200 mnm's vs anything protoss see how that works out
p.s. watch out for storm


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merz
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
Sweden2760 Posts
July 20 2007 11:29 GMT
#37
Why it doesn't work on allied scvs are simply the reason that they are your allied units.

And once again, queing up attacks might not be possible, but the shift-attack has a "spreading" effect meaning that the tanks will chose to aim differently, thus allowing more splash damage and more goon-soup for dinner.
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epidion
Profile Joined November 2004
United States316 Posts
July 20 2007 13:18 GMT
#38
On July 20 2007 14:50 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2007 13:53 epidion wrote:
GrandInquisitor has a good point. I'm not sure that it would mess it up because when I'm observing I usually shift+attack to have them kill each other and it works. But who knows, that might be an issue that they are your SCV's.

Since the topic seems to be answered, I have a question.
In PvP low-number goon battles, do you target and shift+attack their goons? Let's say you have eight goons versus your opponent's eight. I will usually select all eight, right click one of their goons, then shift+click the rest of them so they always target the same ones and I can go back to macro-ing. If the numbers are larger (like 12) I'll usually do it with groups of six so excess shots aren't wasted.

What do you think?


I think microing away that first goon you targetted is going to kill your entire force, lmao.


Well yeah, obviously. But if you target any Dragoon and he micros it out the same thing will happen. We're talking about having some sense of how a battle is going. I don't shift-click his base, go take a shower and come back, I'm still checking in on the battle.
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HappyFeetO_O
Profile Joined June 2007
China350 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-20 16:24:44
July 20 2007 16:24 GMT
#39
On July 20 2007 12:59 NaDazpwnz3r wrote:
ok, wow, cubedin, ever thought of the toss having good macro as well? so...itll simply even out. yeah, just STFU, and u are a n00b xD


Lol...60 tanks will rape any size toss army

edit: ok oops 15 people already said it
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R_I
Profile Joined February 2005
New Zealand42 Posts
July 20 2007 17:00 GMT
#40
umm guys, I think Daze meant shift clicking tanks as in shift deselecting like when splitting your scvs say.

Select all your tanks, right click on a goon, then hold shift and click on some of the tank wireframes and then right click on another goon etc. This tactic works pretty damn well
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