WCSCombating 2 gate pvp
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La.911
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InDi
Spain70 Posts
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La.911
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i_hate_lurkers
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8 pylon 10 gate 11 gas 13 core @100% gas, 2 probes on gas 14 zealot 16 pylon 17 zealot 19 core <---- put the probe that built that on gas so basically this is safe vs all 2 gate variations. Once you scout it, hold position 2-3 probes behind your 2 zealots on your ramp once his zealots are near. Dragoons will pop out and youll be fine. you can even consider adding a second gateway and going for counter goon pressure | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia4870 Posts
On October 10 2019 15:41 i_hate_lurkers wrote: A nice build order that I like to do on ladder is something like this, I learned it from a Stork video a while ago: 8 pylon 10 gate 11 gas 13 core @100% gas, 2 probes on gas 14 zealot 16 pylon 17 zealot 19 core <---- put the probe that built that on gas so basically this is safe vs all 2 gate variations. Once you scout it, hold position 2-3 probes behind your 2 zealots on your ramp once his zealots are near. Dragoons will pop out and youll be fine. you can even consider adding a second gateway and going for counter goon pressure he got banned but wtf kind of build order is this anyway? 11 gas 13 core 19 core? dafuq? | ||
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I_love_lurkers
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Anc13nt
1019 Posts
On October 11 2019 01:12 evilfatsh1t wrote: he got banned but wtf kind of build order is this anyway? 11 gas 13 core 19 core? dafuq? lool | ||
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WGT-Baal
France2437 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia4870 Posts
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InDi
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SuGo
United States600 Posts
1. It's integral that you defeat the first zealot. Meaning, if the opponent only sends 1 alone, it's easier and advantageous to you. However, many good opponents will likely send 3 together making it tougher, of course. 2. In the event of them sending 3 together, which is what we should base our analysis on, try to fight these zealots within your probe line. Because if you did 1goon+1zlot build, then your 2nd goon will JUST be popping or maybe a few seconds after the 3 zealots get to you. If you mis-micro slightly, you're going to get damaged a lot. 2a. Position is very important here. An easy example is a map like FS. You can position your 1st zlot and 1st goon together on the ramp. The goon should be slightly more downward on the ramp so it's width can take up more of the ramp. This is important because then all 3 zealots can't fight you at the same time. You can then get a favorable trade and aim your units at one of the opponent zealots and damage it or kill it right at the ramp. So when you start fighting in your base, you've already got some favorability due to what you did at the ramp. Take high note of this "2a" bullet because this initial position matters a lot. Doing this also stalls for your 2nd goon to pop out. So now, you've either killed one enemy zealot or really damaged it before you're forced to micro back and lost ramp advantage. 3. Don't lose your zealot. Don't lose any units [easier said than done]. I see far too many times, people try to be heroes and overestimate their micro abilities. Be honest with yourself; you know if you have good micro or not. A lot of foreigners don't. And if you've come here to seek advice on defeating 2g, you very likely fall into this camp 4. Try to micro back into your probe line. Good opponents will try to go for the probes mining gas for some easy targets. This is a good time for you to fight accordingly in the probe line, drill the zealots, etc. 5. The point in all of this is: take the path of least resistance and if micro isn't your strength, there are other options like fighting within the probe line, or making a shield battery, etc. | ||
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oshibori_probe
United States2892 Posts
Getting off a manner pylon can be fatal or at least buy you time, and if it’s one of those two gates at the nat I try to steal gas and/or block the nexus with a pylon when they try to expand behind the initial zealot pressure. Also thank you OP for making a new thread about this, there’s so many 2 gate variants as well as ramp/choke differences this really can use it’s own thread. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile1653 Posts
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Anc13nt
1019 Posts
On October 11 2019 13:06 oshibori_probe wrote: I’ve sought advice on this before, and I’m definitely not an expert... but I’d like to add that you should really try to keep your scouting probe alive Getting off a manner pylon can be fatal or at least buy you time, and if it’s one of those two gates at the nat I try to steal gas and/or block the nexus with a pylon when they try to expand behind the initial zealot pressure. Also thank you OP for making a new thread about this, there’s so many 2 gate variants as well as ramp/choke differences this really can use it’s own thread. yes, as a player who loves to 2 gate myself, the manner pylon is very good against 2 gate. | ||
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