EPTTerran vs ALL Zealot Protoss
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
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fazek42
Hungary438 Posts
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
But yeah if you are expecting him to actually be able to adapt to your unit composition than vultures are a much more solid counter to pure zealots. It really depends if they are killing you early or if you are losing an engagement when they have like a whole control group of zealots. Either way it's all about scouting the build, if it's an early zealot rush just keep marines on a ramp or block your choke with buildings, if you are losing to mass zealots just wait till you have enough mnms to basically be able to evaporate all his zealots before they can even kill anything before you move out, or harass their mineral lines with vultures. | ||
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pyrogenetix
United Arab Emirates5091 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
Good luck | ||
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lyAsakura
United States1414 Posts
No way they can hold off an early mnm group without ranged goons. | ||
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mtwow789
67 Posts
Liquidpedia shows how to block entrance for many popular maps. Zealot blocked by buildings are instant fail. After blocking, you can make marines or vultures and have 3~4 scv repair. There is a reason why toss don't use zealots against terran early on. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10096 Posts
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
But seriously, the standard response is vultures. After even just 4 or 5, you can get siege mode and get tanks for defense. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
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LeoTheLion
China958 Posts
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
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Toasterbaked
United States160 Posts
EDIT: I realize this is low level play, so the problem is probably with your macro. Ignore what I just said, and simply make a lot of vultures and use spider mines often. Have fun at those LAN parties  | ||
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ninini
Sweden1204 Posts
If you scout a 2 gate without a cybernetics core, I would recommend that you build a bunker in your main immediately. It's only a small investment, and it makes you completely safe. | ||
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Taekwon
United States8155 Posts
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + running already :p | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
As for wallins, keep a few scvs in a hotkey so right when the zealots start attacking your depot, you can order them to repair it. | ||
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PurePwnageofTerran
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ArvickHero
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BlazeFury01
United States1460 Posts
On January 07 2012 23:59 elmerpogs wrote: Hi, Im Elmer, I love playing broodwar with my friends on LAN. I can play all races but with my TvP, im really having trouble with my Protoss opponent producing only zealots.We dont use air units (our agreement on every game).My question would be... How do i counter this all zealot attacks.What land units best counters zealot attacks?Good number of goolies and vults and tanks? Truthfully man, don't listen to a lot of these people. If you don't wall and don't scout the two gate, it's "VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE" to hold at the highest levels. The usual timing of the 2 gateway zealot will hit around the time your getting out your second marine and have just started your factory (assuming it's at 15/18) The first center pylon should start building around 1:15. 1 Zealot is capable of taking out 3 Marine but you will have 2 Zealot at your base and your factory won't be near completion for you to have vulture, let alone mines to deal with it. I've countered it without blocking before by immediately producing a second barrack instead of a factory, building an academy and keeping my marine inside my mineral line until I had enough M&M to push out. But, even that wasn't very effective because the protoss can easily switch to storm or expand and make photon cannon to defend it whilst getting ahead in economy. There are three options you could take: 1. Blocking (Walling off) 2. Putting a few SCV on the ramp and lifting your barrack over them after the first Marine is produced (if the attack doesn't hit before then). However, this requires a lot of skill to do given the amount of time you have to do it... 3. Scout it and react accordingly But, if you don't scout it and you don't wall, your pretty much screwed. Trust me | ||
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CaffeineFree-_-
United States712 Posts
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
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dongfeng
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
On January 09 2012 21:46 dongfeng wrote: u should play vs comp the comp has a 3 gate zeal timing rush with about ~12 zeals reasonably early It's very late. You have time to have 2 facts, 6 vulture and mines by the time he attacks you. If you lay mine in front of your base you don't even have to patrol micro him to death since he suicides his whole zealot army in your mines. | ||
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ArcTimes
Peru269 Posts
On January 09 2012 23:05 Biff The Understudy wrote: It's very late. You have time to have 2 facts, 6 vulture and mines by the time he attacks you. If you lay mine in front of your base you don't even have to patrol micro him to death since he suicides his whole zealot army in your mines. Yes, but he said he is playing only lan. Maybe his friend is slower that the comp xd. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
On January 09 2012 23:24 ArcTimes wrote: Yes, but he said he is playing only lan. Maybe his friend is slower that the comp xd. Then no need to theorycraft at all. Just build vulture, mine in front of your base, let him die, gg. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
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xxpack09
United States2160 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:21 puppykiller wrote: dude mass zealot is impossible to beat. I think I demonstrated this in my game vs Mani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msjsdatnJwc&list=PL1474B821E748CEC3&index=3&feature=plcp lol, all you had to do was wall off your nat with like e-bays and stuff when you scouted it and you win | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On January 08 2012 02:59 FabledIntegral wrote: Mass vulture or marine medic firebat. Go upgrade heavy. Build bunkers. Don't build any tanks or goliaths, why would you need them? Mass wraiths to counter. Win game.  | ||
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mtwow789
67 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:21 puppykiller wrote: dude mass zealot is impossible to beat. I think I demonstrated this in my game vs Mani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msjsdatnJwc&list=PL1474B821E748CEC3&index=3&feature=plcp well it does counter terran who doesn't block entrance AND goes fast expansion. Seriously, I thought blocking entrance is standard for siege expand? Also, I think going tank mode and have scv blocking entrance was better response. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7858 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:21 puppykiller wrote: dude mass zealot is impossible to beat. I think I demonstrated this in my game vs Mani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msjsdatnJwc&list=PL1474B821E748CEC3&index=3&feature=plcp I think Mani's counter was pretty good + Show Spoiler + You have been temp banned for 2 days. Reason: Don't play PvT like a jerk | ||
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JameS_dodo
New Zealand9 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:21 puppykiller wrote: dude mass zealot is impossible to beat. I think I demonstrated this in my game vs Mani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msjsdatnJwc&list=PL1474B821E748CEC3&index=3&feature=plcp you'll prob lose to 2gate goons as well if u fe like that assuming that ur expecting mass zealots, just wall off + repair and you pretty much won the game | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On January 10 2012 20:19 JameS_dodo wrote: you'll prob lose to 2gate goons as well if u fe like that assuming that ur expecting mass zealots, just wall off + repair and you pretty much won the game Even so, the wrong response was to siege. He could have just walled the ramp with SCVs, and had all his units behind it meaning he would have to target fire every SCV. Even better, float a building over the top and zealots just herp derp till they die. | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
build firebats, medics, and marines instead, in ratio of possibly 2:1:1, that should literally roast any zealot army... | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
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FlaShFTW
United States10096 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:21 puppykiller wrote: dude mass zealot is impossible to beat. I think I demonstrated this in my game vs Mani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msjsdatnJwc&list=PL1474B821E748CEC3&index=3&feature=plcp Very easy to fend off. simple wall in with bunker, rax, and ebay! or you could be a fag and park 2 scvs at your ramp with a rax/ebay floating on top of it and unseige ur tanks so zealots cant kill the scvs and you kill the zealots behind ur scv wall :D | ||
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3FFA
United States3931 Posts
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
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ShinySleepy
Philippines80 Posts
btw, I'm pinoy too. Garena much? | ||
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Cr4zyH0r5e
Peru1308 Posts
EDIT: LOL Since Puppy showed himself winning the game with zealots. I'll show you how you counter that. ![[image loading]](http://www.repdepot.net/img/thumbs/50040.jpg) | ||
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
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puppykiller
United States3126 Posts
On January 12 2012 22:09 Cr4zyH0r5e wrote: wall in. get siege tanks. pull scvs to your wall when he attacks. when he suicides his army you just move out and kill him. if he doesn't, then push slowly with turrets / scans / 1 vessel to deal with dts. Siege tanks rape everything protoss. EDIT: LOL Since Puppy showed himself winning the game with zealots. I'll show you how you counter that. damn you horsey... if only the latency was a bit higher! | ||
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ZeKk
Sweden320 Posts
On January 10 2012 08:21 puppykiller wrote: dude mass zealot is impossible to beat. I think I demonstrated this in my game vs Mani. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msjsdatnJwc&list=PL1474B821E748CEC3&index=3&feature=plcp Is that guy for real?? Banning you cuz he got beaten by zealots !?? Talking about abusing powers..what is he a kid? | ||
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