! [G] 12 Hatch Zerg Guide

On July 02 2005 00:49 nova_442 wrote:
I like how you cover aspects of adapting to different strategies for each race but 12 hatch 11 pool isn\'t the optimal way to open every game, even though you can give yourself a chance with it vs. almost anything (the purpose of the guide, yes?).

-Some of the advice was either incomplete/not explained well like \"you absolutely must have 6 sunks vs. 3 rax\". No. You may gradually build up to 5-6 sunks IF your muta harass or lurk/ling stuff isn\'t doing it, but you shouldn\'t be making 6 early. Just imagine making 4 and hatch 3 on time. Much better unless the terran is charging you with a giant M&M army RIGHT NOW.

-ZvZ: I still think 12 hatch 11 pool vs. 9 pool is bad times, much worse than you say. And if they get cheesy and pool earlier than that it\'s GG on the spot. Luckily most zergs will go 12 gas/pool and 12 hatch is advantage there.

I like the guide quite a bit, there are very few builds that really work vs. all races (even if they are to varying degrees). For example vs. random I like to go 12 pool 12 hatch/gas if Z, and 3 hatch @ ~15 if T or P. I don\'t hatch first because random zerg is almost always 9 pool thinking I will hatch first ^^; I think you can go a long way with a 9 pool, 10/9 overlord into 3 hatch vs all too, although that is much harder and requires excellent multitasking to micro your first 6 lings plus balance your econ.

This is why in low level TvP T's bitch about Protoss being unstoppable - they have little concept of timing and the Protosses aren't very good with it either, Terran expands, Protoss expands, Protoss keeps pumping probes becuase he doesn't know the Terran should attack now, Terran wants to wait until 24 tank, Protoss suddenly has so much money he goes 13-15 gateway vs the Terran 5-6, Terran pushes out, gets raped, calls imbalance.

Good guide!

On June 08 2006 07:40 oddeye wrote:
At some point in the Robotic/Stargate part you say get a spire for scourge while you already said to tech to spire to get muta.

On June 08 2006 12:03 tKd_ wrote:
if he goes fast expand zvz does 3 hatch really work? I would think it would work if you do mass ling style instead of focusing on muta. The way I see it zvz goes like this: if he does fast tech you can mass ling to win or cripple him. If he does fast expand and you have done fast tech you can still win with some ling pressure. zvz can take advantage of both extremes, but someone clarify =/

On July 01 2005 21:59 exalted wrote:
If Player A and Player B have identical macro/micro ability, when Player A attacks Player B he will lose, every single time.

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On June 08 2006 12:10 Slayer91 wrote:
Put it this way, if he 12 hatchs expands vs your 12 hatch main, he can do the EXACT SAME thing as you, though he has to look after his nat hatch, if you mass lings he can make just as many, though he will probably 1-2 sunk and pump some drones, and your tech wont' be faster than his and he will have 2 gas. And if he scouts you without drones on gas its basically GG as he pums extra lings +more sunks and when he gets 2-3 muta he has map control.

IMO its hard to 12 hatch main vs 12 hatch expand, the thing to do is make him sunk up and expand yourself, the 3 hatch solution also allows you to reasonably mass lings without him being able to counter easily

On June 09 2006 02:37 ZaplinG wrote:


This is not a small factor. Dividing your defences puts too much stress on your already small army. A rushing zerg can crush this.

If you can stop his lings from running past your expo into your main, then go for it. Otherwise, it is safer to do it in base.