That you say all good toss do that and do that. I have seen different things, like rA going straight to this and won someone(nice game). And every good toss clearly won't use this after 15-20 mins. Usually it's even too soon to that.

-PhiL-

362 Posts

May 21 2005 05:00 GMT

#22

okey maybe its even too soon.. if you want me to edit it from 15-20 to 20-40 msg me .. is it that what you want to tell me !? i really dont know what your problem is..
-.-v

Nal_rA used it straight.. hmm okey.. so i can edit almost every toss user uses it after..

is it that what you want.. tt ?

iNsaNe-

Finland5201 Posts

May 21 2005 05:03 GMT

#23

Do I have a problem? On what? I just didn't write things at first so that you would have understood, I'm way too tired but still, I just disagree with some things you said. That's all.

DrumsetHero

Bolivia12 Posts

May 21 2005 06:17 GMT

#24

if u say its late game, IMO the only way to defeat cor/dt is with devour/hydra...obviously lord speed :D

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

May 21 2005 06:23 GMT

#25

On May 21 2005 13:17 -PhiL- wrote:
all the good toss gamers dont play this strategy in the beginning

sair/dt to cover an exp isnt uncommon.

Judicator

United States7270 Posts

May 21 2005 06:52 GMT

#26

if you fear losing your ovies, try queen? or is that too far off from zerg's bo?

SnK-Arcbound

United States4423 Posts

May 21 2005 07:24 GMT

#27

I've been starting to see the profits of going with an early evo chamber. Zerg need upgrades badly in zvp matchup, and it helps against any cheese toss players who thing their sairs will work, because they will usually send them out when they have two. The best thing you can do is have a creeps and a ling or two outside of his base so when he moves out you can morph them into sunks, or if your being hit by sairs you can make 1-2 into spores.

maareek

United States2042 Posts

May 21 2005 09:25 GMT

#28

You're losing all your ovies late-game to his dozen sairs? Do you have speed? Are they mostly spread out around the map or mostly cluttered(are most of them with your forces)? What strat have you been using?

Making a spore and a couple sunkens at each expo isn't turtling, you really need it. You can't really have your army protecting every base from harassment attacks. :/

It's late-game you said so you can easily afford those extra structures at each base, then macro normally and put pressure on him.

A couple queens are really strong against a large force of sairs, 1 or 2 with your force and some hydras should keep you from having to worry too much about losing all your detectors with your troops so you should be free to attack.

I don't know zerg though so meh.

LazyTorrasque

United States125 Posts

May 21 2005 11:46 GMT

#29

I was at 12 he was at 6 I went normal Lurker/ling build a spore cuz I saw corsair coming.
So After that I went expanded to my mieral only then to 3 o clock main I didnt build any sunken/colony on the 3 o clock expo, -_- but only at the mineral only one...

After some attacks and macro, I got surprised by 12 corsairs and a SHITLOAD of DTs
my Lords just die so fast cuz of the 1 upgrade air units. my ultras got raped too.
I tried going hydras but it was too late for it all my expos were gone, so I typed out "gg"

that game sucked ass

splat

Seychelles358 Posts

May 21 2005 14:45 GMT

#30

How many DT is a "shitload"? Anyway, if u scout this strat he means to chase/kill ur OL so that the DT can rape your exps. You need at least 1-2 spores to counter the loss of detection. With that help, why can't u match this strat with mass +attack hydra with some anti-air thrown in? Also, a queen with ensnare could really shine here.

It sounds like u are being surprised with this strat and therefore cannot properly prepare for it. His strat is gas-heavy, which makes me think u are not attacking his exps enough.

baba1

Canada355 Posts

May 21 2005 16:41 GMT

#31

On May 21 2005 10:22 LazyTorrasque wrote:
IF I turtle up with sunken/ spore he will just take the whole map and you know Protoss macros faster than Zerg. if skill level is the same

zerg can macro insanely faster than protoss

ulti

Germany136 Posts

May 21 2005 19:01 GMT

#32

satanik is always upgrading the zerg air carapace and the speedupgrade to prevent his overlords from being slaughtered by corsairs...

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 21 2005 21:27 GMT

#33

`-`;
I haven't read all of this thread, BUT, ensnare and plague = very, VERY, VERY annoying when you sair DT

Just a couple of things to keep in mind ~_~ Of course, he can readily make DAs, but ensnare+plaguing a bunch of dts/sairs even just once is well worth it