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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
May 09 2015 19:46 GMT
#4401
When I harass with my scouting probe, what should I hotkey my nexus to go back and make probes? Should I hotkey it too 2 or 0?
Protoss has always been the strongest race and always will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
May 09 2015 20:08 GMT
#4402
It's really personal preference...when I play P I have my Nex on 1 and scouting probe on 2, some people use 0 for the Nex, some use 3, just do whatever you feel most comfortable with.
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 20:27:23
May 09 2015 20:19 GMT
#4403
Well i'm already used to hotkeying my probe to 1. So i'm going to try practicing hotkeying it to 2 or 0. 2 is smarter because its easy to multitask between 1 and 2. However it takes longer to go across the keyboard to hit p for probes. While 0 is closer to p but further from 1.
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chau sara
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
27 Posts
May 09 2015 20:20 GMT
#4404
Okay, I know almost all of the hotkeys for units,buildings, and upgrades. I believe I can learn all of them eventually. However how do I turn hotkeying units and buldings into a essential habit? Just force myself to do it and practice doing it over and over again until it becomes a habit?

it comes so naturally, should take like 6 hours of gaming straight

defilers den is c,m and g
evo is c a and m
adrenal is a
m for energy queen
h for hive
u for burrow
a for ultra speed
w for dark swarm

f for optic flare
u for rine range
t for stim

s for shields
f for fleet beacon
w for weapons
l for leg speed
i for citadel? i forget
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 20:51:37
May 09 2015 20:50 GMT
#4405
What is [neox]what9's aka? I know this isn't really a strategy related question, but I don't want to make a thread asking one question.
Protoss has always been the strongest race and always will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
May 09 2015 22:39 GMT
#4406
On May 10 2015 05:19 TheGreatOne wrote:
Well i'm already used to hotkeying my probe to 1. So i'm going to try practicing hotkeying it to 2 or 0. 2 is smarter because its easy to multitask between 1 and 2. However it takes longer to go across the keyboard to hit p for probes. While 0 is closer to p but further from 1.

That sounds like the way to go for you, the P key is a little far from from the 2 but with practice it will be very easy, just like using B then P to make a pylon.

On May 10 2015 05:20 chau sara wrote:
Okay, I know almost all of the hotkeys for units,buildings, and upgrades. I believe I can learn all of them eventually. However how do I turn hotkeying units and buldings into a essential habit? Just force myself to do it and practice doing it over and over again until it becomes a habit?

it comes so naturally, should take like 6 hours of gaming straight

defilers den is c,m and g
evo is c a and m
adrenal is a
m for energy queen
h for hive
u for burrow
a for ultra speed
w for dark swarm

f for optic flare
u for rine range
t for stim

s for shields
f for fleet beacon
w for weapons
l for leg speed
i for citadel? i forget

You got everything right except the citadel, C for that.

And yeah, basically muscle memory, play for a while and it will become second nature to press all these keys.

On May 10 2015 05:50 TheGreatOne wrote:
What is [neox]what9's aka? I know this isn't really a strategy related question, but I don't want to make a thread asking one question.

(P)Britney
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fearthequeen
Profile Joined November 2011
United States788 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-09 22:40:07
May 09 2015 22:39 GMT
#4407
On May 10 2015 05:50 TheGreatOne wrote:
What is [neox]what9's aka? I know this isn't really a strategy related question, but I don't want to make a thread asking one question.

ninja above
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TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-10 19:29:49
May 09 2015 22:49 GMT
#4408
On May 10 2015 05:50 TheGreatOne wrote:
What is [neox]what9's aka? I know this isn't really a strategy related question, but I don't want to make a thread asking one question.

(P)Britney

Thank you. I just googled it and found that its actually in the Liquipedia Starcraft Wiki. It's under Fish Server and has the top pro's akas.
Protoss has always been the strongest race and always will be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
May 15 2015 14:49 GMT
#4409
So I found this old thread...: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/56735-shift-clicking-sieged-tanks

Seems a little inconclusive, I always thought this worked but when I tried the shift-clicking scvs example to test it it didn't, perhaps works differently with enemy units? Does anyone know? lol.
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DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
May 15 2015 22:31 GMT
#4410
On May 15 2015 23:49 jello_biafra wrote:
So I found this old thread...: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/bw-strategy/56735-shift-clicking-sieged-tanks

Seems a little inconclusive, I always thought this worked but when I tried the shift-clicking scvs example to test it it didn't, perhaps works differently with enemy units? Does anyone know? lol.


In my past experience with T this does not work with sieged tanks. Shift-A does work with other units though, or unsieged tanks, but if you use try and queue up with sieged tanks they just target whatever the last unit was you selected.
In this case it would be better to just have tanks target different goons, but I feel like macroing or microing your vults rather than microing sieged tanks would be more beneficial for most battles..

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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
May 16 2015 13:25 GMT
#4411
The point isn't to queue targets. It's to split up your tank fire so they don't all hit the same thing and to make sure they target goons instead of zealots.
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
May 17 2015 01:23 GMT
#4412
Do Protoss units still regenerate shields while under Lockdown?

I think they do while Stasised, which is weird.


User was warned for being hilarious
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
May 17 2015 15:13 GMT
#4413
On May 17 2015 10:23 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Do Protoss units still regenerate shields while under Lockdown?

I think they do while Stasised, which is weird.



Just tested it, yes they do. Same goes for Stasis.
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[[Starlight]]
Profile Joined December 2013
United States1578 Posts
May 17 2015 19:20 GMT
#4414
On May 18 2015 00:13 jello_biafra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2015 10:23 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Do Protoss units still regenerate shields while under Lockdown?

I think they do while Stasised, which is weird.



Just tested it, yes they do. Same goes for Stasis.

Damb, Jello... anything you don't know?

It's so weird that they'd regen under Stasis. I always thought of Stasis as 'timestop', basically.


User was warned for being hilarious
jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
May 17 2015 20:42 GMT
#4415
On May 18 2015 04:20 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2015 00:13 jello_biafra wrote:
On May 17 2015 10:23 [[Starlight]] wrote:
Do Protoss units still regenerate shields while under Lockdown?

I think they do while Stasised, which is weird.



Just tested it, yes they do. Same goes for Stasis.

Damb, Jello... anything you don't know?

I really don't know

It's so weird that they'd regen under Stasis. I always thought of Stasis as 'timestop', basically.

Yeah same, the unit's shields and HP are not visible while stasised so you can't see it going up but when it's released it's shields have regenerated.
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
May 21 2015 05:54 GMT
#4416
On May 06 2015 07:29 TheGreatOne wrote:
What would be a good hotkey layout for Protoss? 1 scouting probe 2 nexus 3 gateway 4 gateway 5 gateway 6 gateway 7 gateway 8 gateway 9 robo 0 nexus? Of course into mid game I will use 12345 for units. For the f keys should I put them at my main nexus and expo nexus? For the other f key should I put it at my ramp or at my rally point of gateways? Or does it really just depend on the opponents strategy?


I use 1-4 for units, 5-6 gateway, 7 Robo or starport, 8-0 nexus. Units start from 1. Main nexus 0, Nat 9, third 8. I never use F keys. This works for me. Good luck.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8913 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-21 06:47:41
May 21 2015 06:44 GMT
#4417
the best habit is to just be adaptable. pros have a setup but they dont stick to that setup from start to finish. its just their PREFERRED setup when the game allows it to be used.
for example:
bisu mixes up his f keys a fair bit. hell start with f2,f3 and f4 on main, nat, and nat entrance. after, hell replace 1 or 2 f keys with gateways and rally point (if his rally point is the nat entrance then he only changes 1). late game youll find hes replaced 2 of his f keys with different bases, or some other point on the map he has to pay attention to. so basically throughout the game his f keys change several times.
same goes for his hotkeys. he may or may not hotkey the nexuses at the start, but he definitely doesnt rely on the hotkeys much. the reason for this is because he mainly wants his probe highlighted so that he can change the probes direction without having to look at the probes screen (by clicking mineral patches). so at the start hell mainly use the f keys to retain control of his probe for a split second to issue a move command before manually clicking on the nexus or whatever he needs to do.
he regularly changes his numbered hotkeys around depending on which units he needs to concentrate on more. sometimes his shuttle has its own hotkey, sometimes its grouped with zealots. same goes for observers and arbiters. sometimes he even has a forge or cybernetics core hotkeyed just so he can regularly see his upgrade timings.
later in the game though, youll notice most of his hotkeys (i dont believe he actually uses all 1-0) are units with the occasional stargate or robotics and anytime he needs to look at buildings or other points on the map that arent hotkeyed to f keys, he uses the mouse. his mouse speed and accuracy is through the roof though, absolutely unbelievable how he can navigate the minimap with his mouse at such apm.
obviously the above is all possible because his apm is insane and he knows wtf hes doing but the bottom line is one setup cant take you through the whole game. just do whats comfortable for you at specific moments in the game and if you need to switch it up then dont be afraid to start changing keys around.

TLDR: 1 SETUP ISNT ENOUGH. ADAPT YOUR HOTKEYS TO THE CURRENT SITUATION
EMPaThy789
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand878 Posts
May 21 2015 08:58 GMT
#4418
Your hotkey setup should be whatever you feel comfortable.

From what I have seen, there is two main hotkey schemes which most protoss players use (I'm being very general here).
One is they hotkey their nexuses to the high numbers (098) so its closer to p, control their army with 1234 and gateways to like 4567. They build probes with p or clicking occasionally. Another that seems popular is having nexuses hotkeyed (is that even a word) further away from p (like 678 or even 4) and they click the probe icon instead. Most korean pros from what I can remember from fpvods use the f-keys for their bases so they can transfer probes quickly.

There are a lot of other weird ways which people do their hotkeys (like controlling their army with 3456 and setting one nexus to 1 and gateways/nexus/whatever on 7890) and they were still good players so in the end, its whatever you feel comfortable with. jaedong (or was it flash, I dont remember) doesnt even use 890 as its too far away.
TheGreatOne
Profile Joined November 2005
United States534 Posts
May 22 2015 03:41 GMT
#4419
On May 21 2015 14:54 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2015 07:29 TheGreatOne wrote:
What would be a good hotkey layout for Protoss? 1 scouting probe 2 nexus 3 gateway 4 gateway 5 gateway 6 gateway 7 gateway 8 gateway 9 robo 0 nexus? Of course into mid game I will use 12345 for units. For the f keys should I put them at my main nexus and expo nexus? For the other f key should I put it at my ramp or at my rally point of gateways? Or does it really just depend on the opponents strategy?


I use 1-4 for units, 5-6 gateway, 7 Robo or starport, 8-0 nexus. Units start from 1. Main nexus 0, Nat 9, third 8. I never use F keys. This works for me. Good luck.


Thank you very much. I will give your hotkeys a try. Right now i'm not even really using # hotkeys. So that explains why I can't get to D+ on Iccup.
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11301 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 02:40:05
May 23 2015 15:07 GMT
#4420
jaedong (or was it flash, I dont remember) doesnt even use 890 as its too far away.

It was Jaedong and sAviOr. Amazing that they that have amazing control despite that.
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