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M2
Bulgaria4135 Posts
My main race is terran and I play toss for fun ,thats why I ask more experienced PvP players for help:-)) Somehow with terran thanks to comsats its so much harder for my toss oppponents to surprise me with carriers and even they catch me offguard first goliaths + mass turrets works so much better than goons+cannons+storm | ||
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
actually, you could probably use observers more. they are harder to micro than a comsat but they get the job done. usually i'd prefer to remain with all ground units, but of course it depends on the map. having a group of 12 zealots or so to attack his expansions while he's out with the carriers is helpful also | ||
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
suicide your zealots at his expos, starting with the least defended you wont really need them, you should have a few archons to hold off his zealots anyways anyways, freeze his carriers when he groups them, if he doesnt group them, he really cant use them effectively. then put a ton of shit under it, and when they unfreeze, they are basically dead. | ||
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Beast_Bg
Bulgaria1623 Posts
 But seriously DAs are the best counter IMO.You gain ~800/500 from 1 mind control and the worst that can happen is to lose the dark archon for 250/200.Plus you can take care of every templar or arbiter he has. | ||
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karelen
Sweden2407 Posts
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SCFraser
Canada1534 Posts
and do stolen units retain upgrades? | ||
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NonYold
United States2814 Posts
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Malmis
Sweden1569 Posts
On November 29 2004 08:54 karelen wrote: imo they should lower the cost for DAs, would ensure more variety. It would also make DT's better +_+ | ||
Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
Your main problem seems to be not realizing he is switching to carriers. Thus a failure at scouting, just spend a small amount on observers and have them searching all game. It will probably help your overall game anyway by seeing his movements and new exps. | ||
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Response
United States1936 Posts
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MaTRiX[SiN]
Sweden1282 Posts
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xCx
Poland123 Posts
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
Most robust counter in my opinion is arbiters with stasis, + storms as you can effectively immobilize your opponents carrier fleet and even lowly below 200 APM players like us have a chance to pull it off  You shouldn't kill his carriers if you got less money than your opponent btw. FrozenArbiters (edit: FrozenCarriers of course  ) are a total waste of supply and very annoying for a very long time :pStratwise arbiters easily integrate into a standard infantry build. You don't really have to have the carriers scouted, arbiters are totally good as a "preemptive strat" as they improve your infantry army no matter what his units are. | ||
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
On December 01 2004 09:25 Monsen wrote: MC Carrier = 1100/500 you need some more DA's if you really want to battle a fleet. One arbiter is much cheaper and good vs pretty much any number, at least to keep you in game. | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
mind control storm that an goons or scouts work very nicely. arb is pretty decent. stasis works wonders. | ||
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oPtioNaLk
Korea (South)564 Posts
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BigBalls
United States5354 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28739 Posts
supplement with goon and storm arbs take a while to get but so does a very large amount of carriers. (one you can't beat without arbiters) if he surprises you with 8+ carriers in pvp that means you've done a horrible job scouting and deserve to lose anyway. (because even if you don't notice his stargates for some reason, you shouldve noticed that he has 30+ ground units less than he should have. ) | ||
OneOther
United States10774 Posts
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koehli
Germany350 Posts
On December 01 2004 18:32 oPtioNaLk wrote: Some people are saying get arbiters but doesn't the tech take way too long? Maybe I'm just being a newb but I thought stargates weren't a standard part of non isle PvP. They are. Whenever you get 3+ gas and supply > 150, you should tech for arbiters.... This translates into: "When on Lost Temple you took second main, tech to arbiters." Usually most PvP don't last that long though. | ||
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SChasu
United States1505 Posts
i usually get like 6-8 obs patrolling the map (expos and center and then a few standing still in my opponent's base) | ||
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SS
United States63 Posts
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SS
United States63 Posts
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Alpha
France1495 Posts
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