When there is a JD game that lasts barely 7 seconds and The Legend Killer peaks 600ish APM in one of the most crucial sets of one of the most significant individual leagues ever, you know it is something more than special. Standard games are aplenty, but its takes two of the best players (hell, this game has the best BW player of all time in Jaedong, nuff said! :D) to make a cheese vs cheese game one for the ages. Due to the second by second high-action nature of the game, the screens are pretty extensive. I tried to divide them in parts for easier digestion. Enjoy!
The announcers hype the game to heavens... One of them just being his usual stoic self... + Show Spoiler +
millions and millions in attendance, and billions and billions watching at home get ready to be witnesses to the victory of THE. GREATEST. BW. PLAYER. EVER! + Show Spoiler +
PLUS, The suckiest OSL hype video. EVER! seriously!!!??? + Show Spoiler +
Dong: Time to die noob! flash: Lord, please let me just kill at least 2 lings, then i can gg happily...
GOD JD spawns at 11. No 5th drone, default 50 minerals saved. On a map that seemed to have been built for mech to win all the time, JD knows that his chances of winning are only either to vigorously outplay flash or do some crazy build. It doesnt matter whether flash plays mech or w/e, Dong commits to 4pool. On a 2-player map vs one of the most efficient players this seem risky, even retarded, but JD plays the odds, PLUS, he knows he is JD! Kids, don't try this at home.
The crowd is breathless! How daring! How audacious! Thy name is JAEDONG!
noobterran known as flash turtles starts at 5. Everyting seems standard...
...until... 6th scv out. early scout?
meanwhile, the 4 Pool...
6th scv build a proxy rax midmap just outside the ovie path... sneaky bastard
Back in main, 8th scv starts a depot...
and a coy 9th scv proceeds with the "standard" scout timing...
So born the lings of death...
scv: fffuuuuu......
noob: shibbal! Oh Mother!!!
even the crowd knows that it's all over but the GG
First proxy marine runs to hide back home inside the gay bunker...
the aforementioned bunker
scouting scv doubles back to jd main to see if something else is up...
Them eyes! Going for the kill!
Bunker done. Rax started. All cleverly positioned (near CC and close the mineral line gap) vs runby
2nd set of death lings leave the Dong's main...
Meanwhile... the scouting scv sees 4pool and nothing else...
1st set of deathlings attack. GOAT JD knows 1 marine inside the bunker could at most tickle his lings, so he ignores it and goes for econ damage...
scvs die left and right... Boom! Boom! Boom! Glorious explosions! (look at that silly scv readying to repair the bunker. LOL what a noob!)
The crowd cheers the inevitable death of turtleterran
JD draws first blood.
After the dust settles, 6 lings die for 6 scvs. Noob has 3 marines 4 scvs God has 4 lings 4 drones.
JD knows he did ok given the circumstance, but it is less damage than he is supposed to. At this juncture in the ebb and flow of ZvT, JD knows he is playing off his backfoot as he can no longer rely on tier 1 unupgraded lings to end the game...
A flash of small brilliance. During the micro intensive battle in his base, and feeling safe after his bunker is done, flash lands his proxy rax to macro 2 marines, which now try to snipe JD's overlord
JD is too sclass for this though. His retreating 2nd wave of lings deal with the marines
JD micro at work. only 1 ling dies from the encounter
noob knows 2nd wave is coming, promptly stuffs his bunker with more rines
the 2nd wave comes... and JD decides to do some fun here! He sacrifices his 2nd wave for a more exciting finish! What a baller JD!
This is where the real game officially starts!
With the 3 leftover rines guarding the ramp
flash marcos some scv for some econ to support his timing push... he doesnt even bother to get gas.
ling tries to sneak in to scout flash's main, but dies in vain. JD is blind now... all he knows is that flash may move out with 5-6 rines
Wave...
after wave of marines, no matter how piecemeal now, move out to rally near JD's base
but JD knows all. A gosuly positioned ovie sees the rines gingerly cross the bridge towards JD's natural
At this point, GOAT has a grand total of 2 lings for defense... JD doesnt maynard knowing the eventual firepower the natural is going to take, but he sends 1 drone down... this move is the first of a series of crucial genius moves that determine the outcome of the game!
2 hero lings bravely guard ramp
LOOK HERE: While all this is happening, JD watches his gas count. 0.00021 seconds lapse between 100 gas and 4 gas for that crucial research: ling speed! The 2nd genius move!
We go back to that hero drone at the natural. It morphs into creep colony for 2 purposes: 1. At best, flash could be more really epic noob and allow it to become sunken, or 2. At worst, it buys JD time both for the macro hatch and for more lings. PLUS look at how GOD positioned the creep colony... (3rd and 4th genius move)
...it pulls in the attacking marines...
...so the deathlings can move down and block noobs reinforcement. Pure Genius! (5th)
As planned, turtlenoob's reinforcing marines are blocked...
...while JD continues to mass lings above the ramp...
The question here is, was the 2nd hatch meant as standard (econ/macro) or was it for something else? JD saw that marines are coming and there is no way he could stop them with his existing army count. Cancelling it will only lead the rines directly to his unguarded main. The lings that it spawned instantly melted to the marines. But that may be exactly the point. Its massive hp bought JD time to mass up in troops as it provided small but additional army to draw marine fire. Oh JD! TukTuk Haeyo!
Part 3: The Brutal End: aka "You're just another noob, noob!" + Show Spoiler +
flash: die b*tch! lets see what happens to your natural now! GOD: you forget one thing noob! turtleflash: what? Legend Killer: I'm S-Class!!!
With speed upg almost up, deathlings go down for the flank attack...
flash retreats... but THE BEAST knows all. Speed kicks in and he parallels noobflash's marines for maximum damage... You gonna make bunker scv? (This might be the same scv who earlier was hoping for some repair work by the bunker)
"Lord, I know even you agree Im the best ever, the last bonjwa, the greatest, the ultimate weapon... they say it not me, you know, but i agree with them. anyway, Lord no one, and i say NO ONE in the MSL or OSL can defeat me. That person does not exist. I got this game! Yeah!"
"kkk... I own this dude. lets see how he reacts to this little genius plan I have for this map. Mech ehh...
"Na na na na na... faster scv, dnt be such a bum"
"Right here... who would have though after all the advantage of being terran in PR, I'd do this! kkk... God Im GOOOOOOOD!!!
"Ok... lets do something standard here... kkk... cant wait to see the look on his face when he finds out"
"Go scout "standard" scouting scv..."
"wtfffuuuuu......"
"shibbal! Oh Mother!!!"
"OMG! OMG! OMG! He is good..."
"Fucking scv! Build faster you noob!
"Lets see what he he got in his base..."
"Bunker done. It pays to be terran. Now let me just close the mineral line with my gosu rax. You're such a genius Flash! You surprise even me! (giggles at extreme fondness to himself!)"
"Na na na na na... only 4 Pool LOL! the guy's out of his mind! Doesnt he know who I am!"
"Bunker > zerg! Come to your death dogs!"
"I can hold this! I am god. and Im terran. 1 scv mining > tier 2 zerg! LOL. I'll just send 1 scv to repair the bunker! God im so genius!"
"My turn! Bet you didnt expect I'd land to get a couple of rines? Eat bullets overlord!"
"WTF! Where they come from!"
"Piece of shit fat marines!"
"Anyway... Im terran and the best, so no worries! Come in with your 2nd wave zerg... and learn the imba power or tier 1 terran!
"Die you dogs! HAHAHAHAHA"
"Now for some real terran turtle stuff..."
"Na na na na na na na na na...."
"Lets go!:
"What the..."
"Die dog!"
"Go go go"
"Moooore..."
"Na na na na na... youre about to die zerg! Do you know that! (chuckles to himslef!)"
"WTF LOL!!! 1 sunken vs marines??? LOL. Dont you know 1 marine can kill 2 sunkens and 8 lings! LOL idiot!"
"WTF where are they going..."
"Fucking dogs what are they doing here"
"Yeah! Bring them all in! LOL poor zerg! Dont you know how tier 1 terran is imba strong against anything you have! LOL!
"fffuuuu... what's happening! why are they so fast suddenly!"
"fffuuuuuuuuuuuuu...."
"OMG! Im shamed!"
"What about the pregame interview I did about no one could beat me... I'll tell coach to find that reporter and remove all videos from the net... Nooooo.... Lucky zerg! Maybe he cheated?"
It's more a battle report than an analysis, but it remembered me when I was there, it was hard to breathe, everyone was hysterical. I can remember perfectly how tense it was.
There is a serious mistake in the OP. The glorious and honorary title "GOD" is not given to anyone so lightly. There is one and only one who is called "GOD" and that I'm sorry is Flash.
On March 29 2011 22:11 don_kyuhote wrote: There is a serious mistake in the OP. The glorious and honorary title "GOD" is not given to anyone so lightly. There is one and only one who is called "GOD" and that I'm sorry is Flash.
sorry... as you can see this is an objective thread. no fanboys allowed here! HAHAHA
On March 29 2011 22:11 don_kyuhote wrote: There is a serious mistake in the OP. The glorious and honorary title "GOD" is not given to anyone so lightly. There is one and only one who is called "GOD" and that I'm sorry is Flash.
Wait, so flash is called "GOD" and jaedong is just "super gosu legend killer"? Geez what a fanboy! Please be more objective man.
The barracks positioning and overlord positioning is quite straightforward, but it is still strategic. The explanation for the sunken placement on the other hand was quite deep, much better than some vod commentaries I've listened to.
On March 29 2011 23:37 Ryshi wrote: I thought it was a pretty good analysis.
The barracks positioning and overlord positioning is quite straightforward, but it is still strategic. The explanation for the sunken placement on the other hand was quite deep, much better than some vod commentaries I've listened to.
ahh... finally someone who knows a good read when he sees one :D
With this new kind of "anti-balance/meta discussion policy" and the provocating bias in this post I wouldn't be surprised if you were banned for this, even though its very obviously just a joke. Nonetheless a tad funny! But just a tad. Good work with the pictures though. Simply put: Lol.
On March 30 2011 00:04 dibbaN wrote: With this new kind of "anti-balance/meta discussion policy" and the provocating bias in this post I wouldn't be surprised if you were banned for this, even though its very obviously just a joke. Nonetheless a tad funny! But just a tad. Good work with the pictures though. Simply put: Lol.
PS: Not all JD fans are like this, sheesh!
Excuse me! It is not a joke. Except for the names and something here and there, everything was done objectively. I'm sorry to disappoint you, but you need to take it easy. AND I spelled it out from the start, didnt I?
It's funny when some regular person calls a progamer "noob", specially when the progamer is Flash. And everyone seems to agree... I seriously doubt JD had ever considered Flash to play like a noob.
But yeah, made me laugh too. Loved the analysis, really fun and I learned a lot.
Can't keep a serious face reading this one! It needs more analysis however, to be a legit [A] thread. We should all make something like this! Good Job!
Best analysis so far! And its the first that actually contains some nice thoughts, not just plain report, like "JD makes lings - Flash makes a bunker, then JD runs.....fuuuuuu!" It was indeed interesting to read, make some more please!!! It was as if I followed the trail of JD thoughts. Indeed it was such an excellent move to plant a sunken there, wow JD, Flash, however, played quite standard. ps. Sc is such a wonderful game, (I thought about chess, yes)
On March 30 2011 15:48 letian wrote: Best analysis so far! And its the first that actually contains some nice thoughts, not just plain report, like "JD makes lings - Flash makes a bunker, then JD runs.....fuuuuuu!" It was indeed interesting to read, make some more please!!! It was as if I followed the trail of JD thoughts. Indeed it was such an excellent move to plant a sunken there, wow JD, Flash, however, played quite standard. ps. Sc is such a wonderful game, (I thought about chess, yes)
AHHH... you just gave me an idea... editing now, gimme 30 mins or so...
haha great BR/analysis. It actually brings back those emotions, those tense nerve wracking minutes, watching pixels dance around on the screen in front of me, not even daring to breath.
Oh god, I'm all tensed up just reading/rewatching the VOD.
On March 29 2011 22:11 don_kyuhote wrote: There is a serious mistake in the OP. The glorious and honorary title "GOD" is not given to anyone so lightly. There is one and only one who is called "GOD" and that I'm sorry is Flash.
sorry... as you can see this is an objective thread. no fanboys allowed here! HAHAHA
ROFL
I was expecting some boring theorycrafting and 200 pages of nerdy "analysis" of players psychology, but man, that was awesome.
Your analysis misses the most crucial aspect of Flash's larger strategy, namely to deliberately lose one game in order to get Jaedong fans' hopes up before crushing their dreams.
On March 30 2011 18:01 okum wrote: Your analysis misses the most crucial aspect of Flash's larger strategy, namely to deliberately lose one game in order to get Jaedong fans' hopes up before crushing their dreams.
On March 30 2011 18:01 okum wrote: Your analysis misses the most crucial aspect of Flash's larger strategy, namely to deliberately lose one game in order to get Jaedong fans' hopes up before crushing their dreams.
:p
hahaha, lol, I think you should make a nice thread about a good game where Flash is winning , just to stop ppl from crucifying you.
well indeed, I don't mind these kind of reports, they bring some freshness, when some hypocritical politeness is inculcated at every corner. Just don't overwork.
On March 30 2011 20:28 letian wrote: well indeed, I don't mind these kind of reports, they bring some freshness, when some hypocritical politeness is inculcated at every corner. Just don't overwork.
You think i overworked it? There are flash fanboys out there who can make their own fanboy threads
I wonder though, all the comments have gone "awesome thread", "great analysis", etc, no one ever brings up the objective analysis and strategy part of thread! LOL :p
On March 30 2011 20:28 letian wrote: well indeed, I don't mind these kind of reports, they bring some freshness, when some hypocritical politeness is inculcated at every corner. Just don't overwork.
You think i overworked it? There are flash fanboys out there who can make their own fanboy threads
I wonder though, all the comments have gone "awesome thread", "great analysis", etc, no one ever brings up the objective analysis and strategy part of thread! LOL :p
personally, maybe more yes than no, but I take it as fun, so no offends.
On March 30 2011 20:28 letian wrote: well indeed, I don't mind these kind of reports, they bring some freshness, when some hypocritical politeness is inculcated at every corner. Just don't overwork.
You think i overworked it? There are flash fanboys out there who can make their own fanboy threads
I wonder though, all the comments have gone "awesome thread", "great analysis", etc, no one ever brings up the objective analysis and strategy part of thread! LOL :p
personally, maybe more yes than no, but I take it as fun, so no offends.
i got u man. we all need a little laugh every now and then
AARGGHGH. I fucking hate JD fanboys. You're such arrogant assholes. Who do you think you are calling Flash a noob turtle!!?? Huh!?!?! Seems like you forgot that FLASH FUCKING WON THE SERIES 3-1!!! You guys are always bending facts, manipulating the truth in order to make JD seem liek he's all the rage. This bullshit upsets me very much, I'm so angry right now. Fuck you! You're the reason this forum is going down the drain!
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
Stuff like this should be in the blogs section, not in the strategy forum.
On March 31 2011 02:02 Mooncat wrote: Humor? "OMG, FLASH SO NOOB! NOOB, NOOB, NOOB!"
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
Stuff like this should be in the blogs section, not in the strategy forum.
What the?! For real? Get some humor friend. Why so serious!?! Are you Flash's Girlfriend?
On March 31 2011 02:02 Mooncat wrote: Humor? "OMG, FLASH SO NOOB! NOOB, NOOB, NOOB!"
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
Stuff like this should be in the blogs section, not in the strategy forum.
Get some humor friend. Why so serious!?!
If you seriously find this funny I can only give that piece of advice right back to you.
Dull ≠ Funny
BUT that's ok. Just saying that's what blogs are for.
On March 31 2011 02:02 Mooncat wrote: Humor? "OMG, FLASH SO NOOB! NOOB, NOOB, NOOB!"
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
Stuff like this should be in the blogs section, not in the strategy forum.
On March 30 2011 23:20 Holgerius wrote: AARGGHGH. I fucking hate JD fanboys. You're such arrogant assholes. Who do you think you are calling Flash a noob turtle!!?? Huh!?!?! Seems like you forgot that FLASH FUCKING WON THE SERIES 3-1!!! You guys are always bending facts, manipulating the truth in order to make JD seem liek he's all the rage. This bullshit upsets me very much, I'm so angry right now. Fuck you! You're the reason this forum is going down the drain!
I thought all Flash fans were dropping sweet terran tears, but I'm happy somebody appeared to say the words of pure fanboy truth. Hehehe, but you do agree, that many ppl actually thoroughly enjoyed this stuff^^ JD fans do have some talent though.
On March 30 2011 23:20 Holgerius wrote: AARGGHGH. I fucking hate JD fanboys. You're such arrogant assholes. Who do you think you are calling Flash a noob turtle!!?? Huh!?!?! Seems like you forgot that FLASH FUCKING WON THE SERIES 3-1!!! You guys are always bending facts, manipulating the truth in order to make JD seem liek he's all the rage. This bullshit upsets me very much, I'm so angry right now. Fuck you! You're the reason this forum is going down the drain!
I thought all Flash fans were dropping sweet terran tears, but I'm happy somebody appeared to say the words of pure fanboy truth. Hehehe, but you do agree, that many ppl actually thoroughly enjoyed this stuff^^ JD fans do have some talent though.
Very true indeed! This has been pure fun and pleasure. Flash boys go make your own thread, like Flash vs Classic or Ssak... ooops... Seriously, can't we all just get along? Bisu fans come out and make you boy proud too!
On March 31 2011 02:02 Mooncat wrote: Humor? "OMG, FLASH SO NOOB! NOOB, NOOB, NOOB!"
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
Stuff like this should be in the blogs section, not in the strategy forum.
Get some humor friend. Why so serious!?!
If you seriously find this funny I can only give that piece of advice right back to you.
Dull ≠ Funny
BUT that's ok. Just saying that's what blogs are for.
lol "disrepectful". Maybe it's not the post which is dull.
If you're planning to do any more of these, there's a few I'm interested in seeing (besides the JD vs Light on Triathalon):
JD vs Midas on Odd-Eye, Hana Daetoo MSL - long epic game, but can't find a VOD w/o English commentary JD vs Fantasy on Match Point, SPL 2010 - epic mine
Too many good JvT games to go through. Should go through the JvP and JvZ game list.
As a fanboy of both, I thought it was funny, although calling Flash a noob all the time kinda takes the fun out of it, because JD beating him in the game was so much more awesome cause Flash is so hard to beat! Was happy to relive the intense moment though ^_^
On March 31 2011 10:16 iSometric wrote: Lol... Nice battle report despite obvious/sarcastic flash hate.. Try using correct spelling/grammar though.
OMG. LOL. WTF! You read a fun analysis thread and comment on the grammar/spelling?!!! Its not as if it was consistently wrong all thread long. People really need to loosen up and understand the bigger picture! Even OED succumbs to modern language. Fucking language nazis!
On March 30 2011 23:20 Holgerius wrote: AARGGHGH. I fucking hate JD fanboys. You're such arrogant assholes. Who do you think you are calling Flash a noob turtle!!?? Huh!?!?! Seems like you forgot that FLASH FUCKING WON THE SERIES 3-1!!! You guys are always bending facts, manipulating the truth in order to make JD seem liek he's all the rage. This bullshit upsets me very much, I'm so angry right now. Fuck you! You're the reason this forum is going down the drain!
I thought all Flash fans were dropping sweet terran tears, but I'm happy somebody appeared to say the words of pure fanboy truth. Hehehe, but you do agree, that many ppl actually thoroughly enjoyed this stuff^^ JD fans do have some talent though.
Very true indeed! This has been pure fun and pleasure. Flash boys go make your own thread, like Flash vs Classic or Ssak... ooops... Seriously, can't we all just get along? Bisu fans come out and make you boy proud too!
what has leessangrok gotta do with it? duh... wait for it dude
ummmm....So that you will analyze similar leessangrok games with both of them winning? Their rivalry is formed because not only JD wins each time they meet, yes? It has something to do with it + Show Spoiler +
what has leessangrok gotta do with it? duh... wait for it dude
ummmm....So that you will analyze similar leessangrok games with both of them winning? Their rivalry is formed because not only JD wins each time they meet, yes? It has something to do with it + Show Spoiler +
what has leessangrok gotta do with it? duh... wait for it dude
ummmm....So that you will analyze similar leessangrok games with both of them winning? Their rivalry is formed because not only JD wins each time they meet, yes? It has something to do with it + Show Spoiler +
wow epic fail. reading the OP, did i give u any idea i care about leessangrok?
I dunno, but judging from the title, I guess most of the readers care, and you wouldn't be that much biased if not because of their rivalry. It should've been a fair analysis if you didn't care about the rivalry .
On March 31 2011 02:02 Mooncat wrote: Humor? "OMG, FLASH SO NOOB! NOOB, NOOB, NOOB!"
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
I don't agree. Even a die-hard-core JD fan knows that Flash is a good player, probably the only one able to beat JD on a regular basis. Calling Flash a turtle noob is just irony.
On March 31 2011 02:02 Mooncat wrote: Humor? "OMG, FLASH SO NOOB! NOOB, NOOB, NOOB!"
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
I don't agree. Even a die-hard-core JD fan knows that Flash is a good player, probably the only one able to beat JD on a regular basis. Calling Flash a turtle noob is just irony.
On March 31 2011 02:02 Mooncat wrote: Humor? "OMG, FLASH SO NOOB! NOOB, NOOB, NOOB!"
There certainly are ways to analyze a game intelligently and humorously with a clear bias towards one of the players. This isn't one of them. It's not funny, it's just disrespectful.
I don't agree. Even a die-hard-core JD fan knows that Flash is a good player, probably the only one able to beat JD on a regular basis. Calling Flash a turtle noob is just irony.
On April 01 2011 12:18 hauton wrote: Bu-bu-but why did GOD then choke and roll over the next two game ;O;
Truly, GOD works in mysterious ways
ITS all part of the BIG plan. He already has 5. Winning his 6th right there and then would put noobturtle in a major slump. No more rivalry. No more challenge. No more fun for BW. Now that they are tied at 5, GOD will get his 6th to tie Nada and 7th for the everybody-already-knows GOAT!
And JD is just too nice so he gave noobturtle his time to shine... to slaughter him the rest of the way!
I just saw the VOD and was shocked and in awe. Did Jaedong have a cheat with +3/+3 on his lings right from the start? How can he killed as many SCVs as he had lings? How could he kill all those rines that world's best BW terranFlash noob rallied – with so few ling?
On April 11 2011 23:55 [F_]aths wrote: I just saw the VOD and was shocked and in awe. Did Jaedong have a cheat with +3/+3 on his lings right from the start? How can he killed as many SCVs as he had lings? How could he kill all those rines that world's best BW terranFlash noob rallied – with so few ling?
HE. IS. GOD. donglings come out as cracks (lol) with 5/5 upg
On April 11 2011 23:55 [F_]aths wrote: I just saw the VOD and was shocked and in awe. Did Jaedong have a cheat with +3/+3 on his lings right from the start? How can he killed as many SCVs as he had lings? How could he kill all those rines that world's best BW terranFlash noob rallied – with so few ling?
HE. IS. GOD. donglings come out as cracks (lol) with 5/5 upg
what has leessangrok gotta do with it? duh... wait for it dude
ummmm....So that you will analyze similar leessangrok games with both of them winning? Their rivalry is formed because not only JD wins each time they meet, yes? It has something to do with it + Show Spoiler +
wow epic fail. reading the OP, did i give u any idea i care about leessangrok?
I dunno, but judging from the title, I guess most of the readers care, and you wouldn't be that much biased if not because of their rivalry. It should've been a fair analysis if you didn't care about the rivalry .
idk, i'm kind of inclined to agree with this. i am by no means a flash fan, and i am a zerg player myself, but god the OP hates flash so much he basically borderline trolls every LR thread with "FLASH NOOB FLASH NOOB" like 10 times every time he loses. just read his posts in the SKT vs KT SWL finals LR thread.
Are two notable games from 2008. Are you still planning on doing another one of these? ^_^
Oh yeah lets do this! I was also think of really old timers, like Boxer, Nada, Saviour, etc... Won't do manner hatch vs Boxer though, that was BM, ever for a JD fan :p
EPT
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