Destination is a nice map for the super ace I think, Bisu and Jaedong have had some really nice games there before. I hope we get to see them face each other before the super ace match, though. I also hope SKT sends Boxer out for one set, he can probably beat almost everyone on Oz given the proper preparation anyway.
I can see Oz win this. All they have to do is practice for the day that favors them more when the lineups come out, and then have Jaedong win the superace. Imo it'll go something like this...
SKT 4-0's Oz Oz 4-2's or 4-3's SKT Super ace match epicness
What is the problem with Andromeda that SKT requests to drop it for aces and super ace? Z favored map, or simply they have chosen 1 random map not to practice?
On August 02 2009 22:01 economist_ wrote: What is the problem with Andromeda that SKT requests to drop it for aces and super ace? Z favored map, or simply they have chosen 1 random map not to practice?
On August 02 2009 22:01 economist_ wrote: What is the problem with Andromeda that SKT requests to drop it for aces and super ace? Z favored map, or simply they have chosen 1 random map not to practice?
ZvP record: 49-37 (57%) Take a guess.
lol.. I thought it was because T1 didn't have a decent enough Zerg to send on Andromeda.
On August 03 2009 03:45 Avidkeystamper wrote: Still, they didn't want to risk the inherent imbalance. Why send a P out on Andromeda when you can send a T out on Destination? A real no-brainer.
Guess so. But I'd still think Bisu has a better chance of beating Jaedong than Fantasy does.
i really hope they play boxer, and i really hope he gets matched up with jaedong, and i really hope he does a crazy neverseen before epic rush and wins
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
I'm just saying that if OZ happens to get their best players besides Jaedong taken out, then they stand little to no chance of winning. Since the rest of OZ sucks, they really need Hiya and Backho and Lomo to step up and win a few games. If they don't, then they're screwed.
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
I'm just saying that if OZ happens to get their best players besides Jaedong taken out, then they stand little to no chance of winning. Since the rest of OZ sucks, they really need Hiya and Backho and Lomo to step up and win a few games. If they don't, then they're screwed.
and even if they do they basically need jd to win his normal game, the ace and the super ace. against t1´s lineups this is far far far from guaranteed.
basically.... if jd wins his regular game, lomo, hiya and backho win 2 games, then t1 can send bisu on neo harmony or taekdusa. if oz//jd manage to win all that then still jd needs to beat fantasy on destination.
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
No he cant.
Yes, he can.
I'm gonna second this and say that Backho's PvP is probably his best matchup. The guy plays with some solid mechanics, just some questionable decision making. Backho has some of the best reaver micro on the scene, so he can hang with the best (Stork, Bisu) at PvP.
Plus, Backho is awesome. But, the chances of OZ pulling off an upset here are very slim. SKT's top players have been playing some pretty good games lately. Canata losing 2-3 to Jaedong is nothing to scoff at.
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
Bisu was slumping at the time. And that backho is like 4-6 in his last ten pvp's, 18-18 overall, and is just plain and simply a shitty protoss, makes me say that.
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
No he cant.
Yes, he can.
Backho has shown that he can beat bisu if he doesn't choke his advantage with bad decisions. Like that time he killed bisu natural nexus and then lost because he didn't macro
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
On August 03 2009 04:13 ActualSteve wrote: After Oz's performance last night, I feel that a super ace match will be out of the question.
OZ just needs to get some good matchups. They still have a shot if the matchups are right. But if they draw something like Backho vs Bisu and Hiya vs Fantasy, then OZ can kiss their chances good bye.
Backho can beat anyone in PvP. (Yes, that includes Bisu)
Also, last time Fantasy fought an Oz terran in TvT, he lost. (to Lomo)
On August 03 2009 08:18 Carnac wrote: 50% win is a pretty sad percentage for having "some of the best pvp"
I don't necessarily agree that he is one of the best PVPers, but some other players with 50% winrate in PvP are Jangbi, Kal, and Violet. Backho has shown the ability to play very good PvP but also loses games to players that he shouldn't realistically lose to. Of course, it's easy to say that if Bisu plays his best, nobody can touch him in PvP, but I think Backho is good enough that something like Bisu getting a bad starting position, build order disadvantage, or losing a reaver carelessly (it could happen) could be enough to allow him to take the win.
On August 03 2009 08:11 Harem wrote: Except Backho is no D- protoss and has some of the best pvp around?
You missed the hyperbole and the point. Being capable of S-class PvP 1 day of the week doesn't mean anything when you're totally inconsistent the other 6 days.
On August 03 2009 08:49 Hot_Bid wrote: i can't believe anyone is arguing that someone is unbeatable in PvP when its a bo1
anything can happen, its insane to think bisu couldn't drop a game to backho now
Being possible doesn't make it likely, and it certainly doesn't make it a win one should bank on when trying to determine the winner of the match.
We've seen a good example this weekend of how single results do not dictate anything about general skill. Between the Jaedong v Orion game and the Super Ace, people were going on about how JD would lose because he lost to Orion. Not so. A single misplayed or well-played game does not equate to consistent skill or a lack thereof.
Before OZ vs CJ, I drew up what I thought OZ would do when they sent players out. I failed pretty badly (although I think OZ got it wrong, as evidenced by Lomo getting crushed in his 2 TvTs and Backho being scheduled for a PvZ). This time I'm just going to put down the matches I want to see as an OZ fan and as someone who likes good Starcraft.
Seriously if OZ puts Lomo on Destination or Shades again I'm going to rage so hard. He can't win any high-level matchup except for TvZ.
Wow after finishing this possibility I am so pumped for this match lol. GET HYPED EVERYONE
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