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.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
June 08 2009 17:10 GMT
#61
And to think MBC used to have no booth at all

either copy OGN's studio or go another way and put the audience in the soundproof box with the 1 way mirror.
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Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
June 08 2009 17:30 GMT
#62
Looks like all terrans are cheaters.
No no no no its not mine!
R3condite
Profile Joined August 2008
Korea (South)1541 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-09 04:14:36
June 09 2009 04:14 GMT
#63
wow... this is getting out of hand... they need to fix this asap
On June 09 2009 02:30 Clasic wrote:
Looks like all terrans are cheaters.

like iloveoov??
ggyo...
Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
June 09 2009 05:02 GMT
#64
i really dont think this is anywhere near a new issue. I believe there were theories that boxer was really good partly due to his crowd hacking skills? and i saw this theory a while back. so u know.. not a new problem.
The hoi polloi is the plague upon the world.
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
June 09 2009 05:04 GMT
#65
On June 09 2009 13:14 R3condite wrote:
wow... this is getting out of hand... they need to fix this asap
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:30 Clasic wrote:
Looks like all terrans are cheaters.

like iloveoov??


LOL.
OmgIRok
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Taiwan2699 Posts
June 09 2009 05:06 GMT
#66
if they close off the booths, no more jaedong looking out @ his mom for moitivation to win, maybe fantasy can win a title?

and also how will viewers watching be able to get the close-up of the face?
ie failho incident vs canata recently?

Just doesn't work imo. Raised studios ftw
"Wanna join my [combo] clan?" "We play turret d competitively"
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
June 09 2009 05:20 GMT
#67
I dont play TvT so I wouldn't know but from that game, I just thought Light was responding to Flash's double command after scouting by applying pressure to cause econ damage? Where is the cheese part?
Terrans who whine: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=107788
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
June 09 2009 05:58 GMT
#68
Some things don't add up at all.

1) 2 Fact Tank/Vult vs 14 CC is not cheese.
2) Flash was utterly unprepared for the 2 fact even though he knew by scouting that something was up (marines blocking ramp, no vulture). If he actually knew 2 fact tank/vult was coming he would've went for fast wraiths + Siege instead of 3 fact vultures. I don't see how crowd watching helped him at all (i,e this game is a really bad one to illustrate this).
3) The interview makes no sense given the above two points and that it seems to assume that this crowd watching is a well known thing and people just treat it as a given. If there was oral confirmation that he cheated why did nobody say anything about it afterwards? I'd imagine there would have been a huge uproar.

Seeing this is pretty digusting though if it is true. Is crowd watching just some accepted feature of progaming like ear hacking used to be?

On June 09 2009 13:14 R3condite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:30 Clasic wrote:
Looks like all terrans are cheaters.

like iloveoov??


Perfect ^^
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Clasic
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Bosnia-Herzegovina1437 Posts
June 09 2009 06:04 GMT
#69
On June 09 2009 13:14 R3condite wrote:
wow... this is getting out of hand... they need to fix this asap
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:30 Clasic wrote:
Looks like all terrans are cheaters.

like iloveoov??


I loled
No no no no its not mine!
Bebop Berserker
Profile Joined April 2009
United States246 Posts
June 09 2009 06:05 GMT
#70
On June 08 2009 20:01 fearus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 19:49 PH wrote:
It's really quite easy...

They just need to tell MBC to un-fail their studio. Someone mentioned that OGN has their booths higher up and angled so the players do not have a clear view of the audience. MBC does not.

Even better would be to install one way glass onto the booths so players can't see out regardless.


How is Bisu going to be able to concentrate with his striking good looks staring back at him?

Conspiracy!!!!!!

More like how is gogo going to play while having to resist being turned to stone.
Whatever happens, happens.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-14 22:06:46
June 14 2009 22:04 GMT
#71
Anyone remember this from the 3rd Progamer Incidents?

"28) Boxer's ear hack incident.
It was Boxer vs H_love_Wii where Love had some stop lurkers and Boxer was about to pass them without knowing. Suddenly Boxer fans shout "AAAAAH!!!!!!!" and Boxer for no apparent reason turns back his troops. Fans later criticized him for being a ear hacker and Autumn, who is famous for Autumn and kids incident which we will later discuss, wrote in his homepage that Boxer is a fucking cheater. He later on apologized saying his comments were unappropriate and that these days ear hacking is a part of progaming."

Not exactly new stuff unfortunately... so they might not fix it soon.

Also:

"29) Xellos's "Barra~~~~~~~~ck" incident.
It was Yooi vs Xellos where Yooi attempted center BBS. If Xellos didn't scout, he could have lost but luckily he did scout and won. But later on, some fans wrote on the internet that there was a guy who shouted "barra~~~ck" and told Xellos about the barracks. A Vod was provided and did prove that this actually happened. But no one knew if Xellos did hear that or not, and all the blame was on OGN for allowing this kind of thing to happen."
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
June 14 2009 22:12 GMT
#72
On June 09 2009 13:14 R3condite wrote:
wow... this is getting out of hand... they need to fix this asap
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 02:30 Clasic wrote:
Looks like all terrans are cheaters.

like iloveoov??


hehehehe
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10007 Posts
June 14 2009 22:31 GMT
#73
i always wondered what impact the crowd has on the gamers
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
June 14 2009 22:46 GMT
#74
I dunno how the booths are in Korean but the ones they make at blizzcon that are 'sound proof' had a 1/2 inch space around the whole door edge. Since they don't speak english very well (arguably they can still catch words here and there though) its pretty maphack like if you have tasteless there commentating on everything.
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
s_86
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States191 Posts
June 14 2009 22:50 GMT
#75
On June 09 2009 02:10 .risingdragoon wrote:
put the audience in the soundproof box with the 1 way mirror.

ghermination
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States2851 Posts
June 14 2009 23:04 GMT
#76
of course gespa will never react to this admitted cheating, because that would make sense ~_~
U Gotta Skate.
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 14 2009 23:43 GMT
#77
On June 09 2009 01:20 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2009 19:49 PH wrote:
It's really quite easy...

They just need to tell MBC to un-fail their studio. Someone mentioned that OGN has their booths higher up and angled so the players do not have a clear view of the audience. MBC does not.

Even better would be to install one way glass onto the booths so players can't see out regardless.

I thought that would be a good idea too, but on a second thought it might feel a bit claustrophobic.

"One way glass" isn't some magical material that can only be seen thru from one side. It's just glass. To obtain this effect in a pro gaming arena, the whole arena would have to be really dark/dimly lit, and the player booths highly lit up (which would make them only see reflections). It's like if you try to look out a window at night with the lights on. You can't see shit outside.

However, putting the audience in darkness could pose a lot of safety concerns. The most fair thing to do would be to have the booths closed, but with large TV's on the outside of them that show the player, although obviously this is less intimate and doesn't exactly make one feel like it was worth coming out to the studio instead of watching it on TV.

Elevating the booths to a point where the audience is not in a good line of sight is the best thing to do right now, and I don't really know what else they could do. The audience getting excited is pivotal to the success of events, so they can't just make a rule 'no getting excited.' All they can do is have referee's watch players and say 'no watching the audience during the game.' Which sounds awful, but it's basically how university tests work.
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jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
June 14 2009 23:56 GMT
#78
make them face away from the audience? like towards the back wall? o_o
nibbles
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United Kingdom179 Posts
June 15 2009 00:07 GMT
#79
On June 09 2009 14:58 Ver wrote:

Show nested quote +
On June 09 2009 13:14 R3condite wrote:
On June 09 2009 02:30 Clasic wrote:
Looks like all terrans are cheaters.

like iloveoov??


Perfect ^^


like Xellos?
meh
Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
June 15 2009 00:25 GMT
#80
On June 15 2009 08:56 jjun212 wrote:
make them face away from the audience? like towards the back wall? o_o

So the audience can watch how expressive the backs of their chairs look?
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