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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7883 Posts
April 23 2009 09:45 GMT
#281
On April 23 2009 18:12 HyoRiN wrote:
Honestly, who the hell cares about the bm. It was great and entertaining. Just imagine if everyone was polite and gm. Yeah ... it would be dull and mundane. It's not about who's more gm, it's about who's the better player. I'm not saying Fenix is a bad player, but IdrA is obviously the better player here. If you can't handle bm, cry. At least IdrA is being himself and expressing more of his emotions. It's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you are not

lol

"It's better to be hated for who you are than loved for who you are not"

Too many Hollywood movies, man. Sounds like good american movie moral. Ok. Let's try another one:

"It's better to grow up, respect your opponent and yourself than to keep up being a rude immature douch."

There is a big difference between being mondane and going for nerd rage every two weeks in front of 10 000 people. MistrZZZ used to be quite bm, but it was humoristic and done in purpose. IdrA just can't control himself.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
April 23 2009 09:51 GMT
#282
On April 23 2009 18:12 HyoRiN wrote:
Honestly, who the hell cares about the bm. It was great and entertaining. Just imagine if everyone was polite and gm. Yeah ... it would be dull and mundane. It's not about who's more gm, it's about who's the better player. I'm not saying Fenix is a bad player, but IdrA is obviously the better player here. If you can't handle bm, cry. At least IdrA is being himself and expressing more of his emotions. It's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you are not


That's deep man, i was moved.
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Not really, you're a moron.
It's better to burn out than to fade away
exkgb
Profile Joined September 2005
United States504 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 10:16:17
April 23 2009 10:12 GMT
#283
Wow, this thread is still going on.

Idra is the FBH of foreign starcraft, some loves him , some hates him but in the end he's a good player and he's hecka entertaining =) now... if only he'd dance......
HyoRiN
Profile Joined June 2008
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 10:24:18
April 23 2009 10:18 GMT
#284
On April 23 2009 18:51 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 18:12 HyoRiN wrote:
Honestly, who the hell cares about the bm. It was great and entertaining. Just imagine if everyone was polite and gm. Yeah ... it would be dull and mundane. It's not about who's more gm, it's about who's the better player. I'm not saying Fenix is a bad player, but IdrA is obviously the better player here. If you can't handle bm, cry. At least IdrA is being himself and expressing more of his emotions. It's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you are not


That's deep man, i was moved.
+ Show Spoiler +
Not really, you're a moron.


Ever since Korea took SC to the professional level, the BM and GM shit has gone way too far. It's amazing how Starcraft has become so "serious" nowadays. "OMG he said GG before the game ended!!" This is obviously a big thing if some professional gamer did that in Korea. But wtf LOL ... What happened to the old days when video games were just games. Imho, everyone who went crazy over the bm really needs to lighten up. Don't let the social norms of Korea eat you up. I'm not saying it's bad, but come on just think about it ... who cares LOL!! It's not like he explicitly told Fenix that he sucks ass and that he lost a chance to go to Korea. That would be a different story ... Little things like the early GG make me giggle.
Terran Invasion
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7883 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 10:27:55
April 23 2009 10:22 GMT
#285
On April 23 2009 19:12 exkgb wrote:
Wow, this thread is still going on.

Idra is the FBH of foreign starcraft, some loves him , some hates him but in the end he's a good player and he's hecka entertaining =) now... if only he'd dance......

Not at all. FBH is "funny". He makes ceremonies when he wins. A bit more like MistrZZZ. I can't imagine a FBH nerd rage.

In the other hand, IdrA is totally serious in his bm. He is not trying to be funny, and, in a certain extand, he doesn't even do it in purpose.


The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
HyoRiN
Profile Joined June 2008
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 10:29:18
April 23 2009 10:25 GMT
#286
On April 23 2009 19:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 19:12 exkgb wrote:
Wow, this thread is still going on.

Idra is the FBH of foreign starcraft, some loves him , some hates him but in the end he's a good player and he's hecka entertaining =) now... if only he'd dance......

Not at all. FBH is "funny". He makes ceremonies when he wins. A bit more like MistrZZZ. I can't imagine a FBH nerd rage.

In the other hand, IdrA is totally serious in his bm. He is not trying to be funny, and, in a certain extand, he doesn't even do it in purpose.


That's the entertaining and funny thing about him. Many people here on TL seem to be against him as well as most foreigners that play SC. Ofc, he's going to have this bottled-up emotion and let it out. Just imagine your alone in a house where you're the only American and you're far away from home. Plus, you got gosu koreans owning you everywhere and ppl on TL and GG.net attacking and expecting a lot from you. Damn, gotta give him props for not giving up and keepin' the flow. That's kinda manly in a way
Terran Invasion
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7883 Posts
April 23 2009 10:28 GMT
#287
On April 23 2009 19:18 HyoRiN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 18:51 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
On April 23 2009 18:12 HyoRiN wrote:
Honestly, who the hell cares about the bm. It was great and entertaining. Just imagine if everyone was polite and gm. Yeah ... it would be dull and mundane. It's not about who's more gm, it's about who's the better player. I'm not saying Fenix is a bad player, but IdrA is obviously the better player here. If you can't handle bm, cry. At least IdrA is being himself and expressing more of his emotions. It's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you are not


That's deep man, i was moved.
+ Show Spoiler +
Not really, you're a moron.


Ever since Korea took SC to the professional level, the BM and GM shit has gone way too far. It's amazing how Starcraft has become so "serious" nowadays. "OMG he said GG before the game ended!!" This is obviously a big thing if some professional gamer did that in Korea. But wtf LOL ... What happened to the old days when video games were just games. Imho, everyone who went crazy over the bm really needs to lighten up. Don't let the social norms of Korea eat you up. I'm not saying it's bad, but come on just think about it ... who cares LOL!! It's not like he explicitly told Fenix that he sucks ass and that he lost a chance to go to Korea. That would be a different story ... Little things like the early GG make me giggle.

I personnaly care that a player insult another one and act like a dick in a public match. Same way that if I go to a chess tornament and one of the players refuse to shake hand, I would be disturbed (and btw, he would be disqualified imediately). And when soccer players simulate, insult each others or act like dicks, I am disturbed too (that's why I don't like soccer, btw).
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
HyoRiN
Profile Joined June 2008
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 10:40:29
April 23 2009 10:33 GMT
#288
On April 23 2009 19:28 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 19:18 HyoRiN wrote:
On April 23 2009 18:51 KrAzYfoOL wrote:
On April 23 2009 18:12 HyoRiN wrote:
Honestly, who the hell cares about the bm. It was great and entertaining. Just imagine if everyone was polite and gm. Yeah ... it would be dull and mundane. It's not about who's more gm, it's about who's the better player. I'm not saying Fenix is a bad player, but IdrA is obviously the better player here. If you can't handle bm, cry. At least IdrA is being himself and expressing more of his emotions. It's better to be hated for who you are than to be loved for who you are not


That's deep man, i was moved.
+ Show Spoiler +
Not really, you're a moron.


Ever since Korea took SC to the professional level, the BM and GM shit has gone way too far. It's amazing how Starcraft has become so "serious" nowadays. "OMG he said GG before the game ended!!" This is obviously a big thing if some professional gamer did that in Korea. But wtf LOL ... What happened to the old days when video games were just games. Imho, everyone who went crazy over the bm really needs to lighten up. Don't let the social norms of Korea eat you up. I'm not saying it's bad, but come on just think about it ... who cares LOL!! It's not like he explicitly told Fenix that he sucks ass and that he lost a chance to go to Korea. That would be a different story ... Little things like the early GG make me giggle.

I personnaly care that a player insult another one and act like a dick in a public match. Same way that if I go to a chess tornament and one of the players refuse to shake hand, I would be disturbed (and btw, he would be disqualified imediately). And when soccer players simulate, insult each others or act like dicks, I am disturbed too (that's why I don't like soccer, btw).


It happens in all sports and competition. Bm will always be existent and you just gotta deal with it. What I'm saying is that the levels of BM and how people define it in SC is so funny. Like I said, "OMG he said GG before the gamed ended!!" LOL ...... big deal? In American culture, this would be funny. But I have to keep in mind that different cultures (Europe, Asia, etc) might perceive this differently and the degree of seriousness would be different. So I apologize, you're right. Anyways, we all have our opinions on when things really start going too far or start becoming too offensive ...
Terran Invasion
exkgb
Profile Joined September 2005
United States504 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 10:50:58
April 23 2009 10:45 GMT
#289
On April 23 2009 19:22 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 19:12 exkgb wrote:
Wow, this thread is still going on.

Idra is the FBH of foreign starcraft, some loves him , some hates him but in the end he's a good player and he's hecka entertaining =) now... if only he'd dance......

Not at all. FBH is "funny". He makes ceremonies when he wins. A bit more like MistrZZZ. I can't imagine a FBH nerd rage.

In the other hand, IdrA is totally serious in his bm. He is not trying to be funny, and, in a certain extand, he doesn't even do it in purpose.




If you are saying that Idra is not entertaining, I beg to differ

If you look at dictionary.com

one of the definitions of "entertain" is
- to hold the attention of pleasantly or agreeably; divert; amuse.

And to that end, if you see the reaction of people to Idra's games, he definitely accomplish the goal of being entertaining ( consciously or unconsciously ). During his games, there are always a lot of discussion going on, there's the haters who wish he'd lose and there are also the more light hearted people watching out for his BM moments and frankly, its amusing as heck.

If you watch the casts of these games, Idra's BM even creates interesting/entertaining responses from the Artosis/Tasteless, which is... entertaining. Even when the games are over, his BM-ness evokes response from the community from famous figures like Rek ( who always makes entertaining posts ).

And to characterize his BM-ness as totally serious would be false too. As a lot of people have said, its simply nerd-rage. If you look at previous instances of his BM-ness ( such as to strelok ), Idra admits afterwards that he's been acting like an ass. The guy is obviously caught up in the spur-of-the-moment nerd-rage, which makes it very...... ENTERTAINING! just look at how many views the nerd-rage videos on youtube has, many people are entertained by it.

As any polarizing figure, there will be always lovers/haters to Idra, but to say that he is not entertaining is just wrong.

I stand behind my statement about the dancing part....
Z.Kw
Profile Joined February 2009
China297 Posts
April 23 2009 10:54 GMT
#290
nerd-rage is totally serious nerds don't rage for no reason
streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 11:10:44
April 23 2009 10:59 GMT
#291
I cant belive fenix kept his cool while being under a constant barrage of insults from idra. Grow up idra stop calling people gosus or typing gg you child. I'm not surprised fenix said he will kill you because if you did this to me I would probably devote my life to destroying you. One day you might learn that if you say nothing everyone will love you. What's wrong with you crazy child?

such unbelievable behavior.
Starparty
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Sweden1963 Posts
April 23 2009 11:13 GMT
#292
On April 23 2009 18:00 jtype wrote:
Lol. I think there should be a feature to turn text chat off in competitive matches and just have a "GG" button instead. It would keep the whole thing more professional.


Wouldnt help. Idra would obviously press it before the game was over...
The artist formerly known as Starparty
streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 11:17:57
April 23 2009 11:17 GMT
#293
On April 23 2009 20:13 Starparty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 18:00 jtype wrote:
Lol. I think there should be a feature to turn text chat off in competitive matches and just have a "GG" button instead. It would keep the whole thing more professional.


Wouldnt help. Idra would obviously press it before the game was over...

a loophole! damn, foiled again. What are we going to do now? This child is completely out of control we must find a method to sedate him before he does something crazy. You guys have any ideas?

jtype
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
England2167 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 11:40:37
April 23 2009 11:40 GMT
#294
Wouldnt help. Idra would obviously press it before the game was over...
a loophole! damn, foiled again. What are we going to do now? This child is completely out of control we must find a method to sedate him before he does something crazy. You guys have any ideas?



We could put him on a pro team in Korea and see if that helps... oh wait...
Mannequin
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada131 Posts
April 23 2009 12:00 GMT
#295
Haha I like how there can't be a post about Idra without there being a BM/GM topic in it.
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
April 23 2009 12:41 GMT
#296
On April 23 2009 20:13 Starparty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2009 18:00 jtype wrote:
Lol. I think there should be a feature to turn text chat off in competitive matches and just have a "GG" button instead. It would keep the whole thing more professional.


Wouldnt help. Idra would obviously press it before the game was over...


How about a plugin that automatically sends "gg" when you quit the game.
No I'm never serious.
rANDY
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United Kingdom748 Posts
April 23 2009 12:42 GMT
#297
One of the rules for ESWC qualifiers was

"- All players must maintain good manner and fair play."

Which Idra clearly didn't do, so imo he should be removed from the competition for rule breaking.

Source http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1670271#
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
April 23 2009 12:58 GMT
#298
Good manner is such a sliding scale that it would be bullshit to remove someone for that. Beyond that he played fair. Idra plays like a goddamn asshole, but he shouldn't be removed.
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streampowered
Profile Joined April 2009
United States60 Posts
April 23 2009 12:59 GMT
#299
Arrest him!
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
April 23 2009 13:03 GMT
#300
burn !
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