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fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
April 29 2009 00:43 GMT
#561
just to clarify: all forfeits in the future will be treated as 0 pts?
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
April 29 2009 01:04 GMT
#562
On April 29 2009 09:43 fusionsdf wrote:
just to clarify: all forfeits in the future will be treated as 0 pts?


Forfeits are just treated as losses.
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
RedTerror
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
New Zealand742 Posts
April 29 2009 04:09 GMT
#563
Predicting letas forfeit was part of the reason for not choosing him on my team. I'm v. unhappy
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
April 29 2009 04:27 GMT
#564
On April 29 2009 10:04 Abydos1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 09:43 fusionsdf wrote:
just to clarify: all forfeits in the future will be treated as 0 pts?


Forfeits are just treated as losses.

Good to hear.
One ring, to rule them all!
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3479 Posts
April 29 2009 04:39 GMT
#565
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:
UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize (T)Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.

I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Pizzown
Profile Joined January 2009
United States23 Posts
April 29 2009 05:38 GMT
#566
i surprise myself at fantasy league o.O
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 06:01:54
April 29 2009 05:59 GMT
#567
On April 29 2009 13:39 Malongo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:
UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize (T)Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.

I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo.

You are saying that the -4 DQ rule is stupid, but because it matters, we should count it? Shouldn't we actually do the opposite and NOT compound the mistake by counting the -4? You are basically saying that because this DQ happened, we should maximize the impact this random rule has on our fantasy standings? That makes no sense.

Also, if "nobody can expect it in any way" then doesn't that mean we shouldn't count it because its almost impossible to predict? I don't understand why you want it counted.
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 06:41:40
April 29 2009 06:40 GMT
#568
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:
UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize (T)Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.

This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo?
BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
April 29 2009 06:57 GMT
#569
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:
UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize (T)Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.

This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo?

I think it's a great decision. The initial -4 ruling is wholly improper, despite your ridiculous hypothetical.

KeSPA's ruling vs Leta was clearly inappropriate, and I think we can agree it's frustrating to have a referee adhere to a strict, letter-bound interpretation of the rules that so clearly flies directly in the face of it's spirit, totally devoid of any room for context. Why should we advocate the opposite here, where admins would apply an inflexible, nonsensical rule simply because the letter of the rule states it, in clear violation of the spirit of fantasy proleague.

Fantasy PL at TL is still taking shape, and as such the rules should be dynamic and organic, reflecting changes for the better through-out the season, not carved in stone. It's ludicrous to sabotage the chances of Leta owners over such an arbitrary, inconceivable event.
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 29 2009 07:16 GMT
#570
A lot of rules we tweaked to make it more fair. We didn't have a -1 point trade tax at the onset of the league either, and we added that in. Do the people wanting us to add in the -4 DQ rule also want all the trade taxes removed because they weren't explicitly stated in the first iteration of the rules?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 07:41:37
April 29 2009 07:37 GMT
#571
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:
This is a bad decision and very unprofessional.
...
You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand.
...

Okay then:

  • TeamLiquid reserves the right to change any rule at any time for anything
  • This includes going back in time and amending FPL R4 Player Scoring to exclude DQ penalty
  • TeamLiquid also reserves the right to do anything about anything

Now that the DQ penalty is removed from the original FPL R4 Rules, you have nothing to complain about. I have exercised my time-travel rule amendment powers (granted by the above rule) and thus the DQ penalty never existed. Happy?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Abydos1
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States832 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 07:42:27
April 29 2009 07:40 GMT
#572
On April 29 2009 16:37 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:
This is a bad decision and very unprofessional.
...
You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand.
...

Okay then:

  • TeamLiquid reserves the right to change any rule at any time for anything
  • This includes going back in time and amending FPL R4 Player Scoring to exclude DQ penalty
  • TeamLiquid also reserves the right to do anything about anything

Now that the DQ penalty is removed from the original FPL R4 Rules, you have nothing to complain about. I have exercised my time-travel rule amendment powers (granted by the above rule) and thus the DQ penalty never existed. Happy?


In a surprising turn of events, HotBid is now the winner of R2 & R3
"...perhaps the greatest joy possible in Starcraft, being accused of being a maphacker" - Day[9]
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 07:47:56
April 29 2009 07:44 GMT
#573
Phew, I'm glad those rules are finally stated, because now nobody can complain about anything we do at TeamLiquid, we can just go back in time and change anything that happened. It's in the rules!

First few things I'm going to do with my newfound abilities as granted by the above rules:

- PuertorRican has never officially existed as a TeamLiquid Staff Member
- Manifesto7 never intended to start TLT with Tiger
- All event start times are amended to add 15 minutes
- HotBid's Liquibet vote for the kOs vs F91 Liquibition is changed to be correct
- Scorch's post is amended to read: "I agree with this decision, it's consistent with the rules."
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
April 29 2009 07:50 GMT
#574
Make it that Savior won Gom MSL please.
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
bugus
Profile Joined November 2008
Romania133 Posts
April 29 2009 07:53 GMT
#575
you're making jokes to cover your mistake... - somehow dissapointed about this decision...actually I dint expect for any decision after the league started..
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 08:06:15
April 29 2009 08:03 GMT
#576
On April 29 2009 16:53 bugus wrote:
you're making jokes to cover your mistake... - somehow dissapointed about this decision...actually I dint expect for any decision after the league started..

nowhere have we said that everything is 100% written in stone and unchangeable. would you still think it's a mistake if we had a rule in FPL that stated "Admins reserve the right to remove unfair DQ penalties"? Because I don't think we need to outright say that - it's common sense and accepted that when a rule is stupid and unfair, we don't follow it. we aren't kespa.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-29 08:28:13
April 29 2009 08:25 GMT
#577
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:
UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize (T)Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.

This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo?

You do realize you sound 100% like a KESPA referee DQ'ing Leta, also based on rules? Be happy there's still some people thinking around here and doing what is 'right'. We aren't afraid to admit our mistakes and overrule previous decisions at TL. That's how it should be everywhere but somehow most people stick to rules no matter how retarded those rules may be. That's not us though. If we think we can do better then we will improve, and so we have.
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Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
April 29 2009 08:38 GMT
#578
+1 TL!
One ring, to rule them all!
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
April 29 2009 08:44 GMT
#579
On April 29 2009 17:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote:
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote:
UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize (T)Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.

This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo?

You do realize you sound 100% like a KESPA referee DQ'ing Leta, also based on rules? Be happy there's still some people thinking around here and doing what is 'right'. We aren't afraid to admit our mistakes and overrule previous decisions at TL. That's how it should be everywhere but somehow most people stick to rules no matter how retarded those rules may be. That's not us though. If we think we can do better then we will improve, and so we have.


Finally some common sense... I am kind of surprised to see all the bitching about KESPA blindly applying rules and at the same time people asking TL to do the same...

As Liquid'Nazgul pointed out, if we can find ways to improve the system, let's do it!
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 29 2009 08:49 GMT
#580
If you guys never expected disqualifications to happen, why did you implement a rule for them? And now that you have the rule, why don't you follow it? This is a site dedicated to professional Starcraft gaming, and as such, Kespa's word should count for something. Or at least your own word when you created the rules.

Well let's just leave it at that. There is no perfect solution to such matters I guess, screwing all Leta owners over wouldn't be any better.

PS: Hot_Bid is a dirty cheater and should be penalized with -4 points -0 points
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