EPT[Fantasy] PL R4 Daily Blog - Page 29
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
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Abydos1
United States832 Posts
On April 29 2009 09:43 fusionsdf wrote: just to clarify: all forfeits in the future will be treated as 0 pts? Forfeits are just treated as losses. | ||
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RedTerror
New Zealand742 Posts
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
Good to hear. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote: UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize  Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo. | ||
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Pizzown
United States23 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
On April 29 2009 13:39 Malongo wrote: I know theres almost 0 chance that my voice matters but im against this. I agree that the DQ situation was idiot but if any DQ could happen then nobody can expect that in any way. If something, this was a big mistake to have as a rule in first place, but now that actually "matters" then it should be counted imo. You are saying that the -4 DQ rule is stupid, but because it matters, we should count it? Shouldn't we actually do the opposite and NOT compound the mistake by counting the -4? You are basically saying that because this DQ happened, we should maximize the impact this random rule has on our fantasy standings? That makes no sense. Also, if "nobody can expect it in any way" then doesn't that mean we shouldn't count it because its almost impossible to predict? I don't understand why you want it counted. | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
On April 29 2009 07:45 Abydos1 wrote: UPDATE: After discussing the issue we are not going to penalize Leta owners for the inadvertent forfeit. No one really expected the DQ/forfeit to ever come up and it was more a joke in that regard. DQ/forfeits are such a random occurance that there's no way anyone could predict if/when they would occur (its akin to giving +4 points to anyone that wears a hat); as such we're removing the -4 points from the scoring.This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo? | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote: This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo? I think it's a great decision. The initial -4 ruling is wholly improper, despite your ridiculous hypothetical. KeSPA's ruling vs Leta was clearly inappropriate, and I think we can agree it's frustrating to have a referee adhere to a strict, letter-bound interpretation of the rules that so clearly flies directly in the face of it's spirit, totally devoid of any room for context. Why should we advocate the opposite here, where admins would apply an inflexible, nonsensical rule simply because the letter of the rule states it, in clear violation of the spirit of fantasy proleague. Fantasy PL at TL is still taking shape, and as such the rules should be dynamic and organic, reflecting changes for the better through-out the season, not carved in stone. It's ludicrous to sabotage the chances of Leta owners over such an arbitrary, inconceivable event. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote: This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. ... You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. ... Okay then:
Now that the DQ penalty is removed from the original FPL R4 Rules, you have nothing to complain about. I have exercised my time-travel rule amendment powers (granted by the above rule) and thus the DQ penalty never existed. Happy? | ||
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Abydos1
United States832 Posts
On April 29 2009 16:37 Hot_Bid wrote: Okay then:
Now that the DQ penalty is removed from the original FPL R4 Rules, you have nothing to complain about. I have exercised my time-travel rule amendment powers (granted by the above rule) and thus the DQ penalty never existed. Happy? In a surprising turn of events, HotBid is now the winner of R2 & R3 | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
First few things I'm going to do with my newfound abilities as granted by the above rules: - PuertorRican has never officially existed as a TeamLiquid Staff Member - Manifesto7 never intended to start TLT with Tiger - All event start times are amended to add 15 minutes - HotBid's Liquibet vote for the kOs vs F91 Liquibition is changed to be correct - Scorch's post is amended to read: "I agree with this decision, it's consistent with the rules." | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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bugus
Romania133 Posts
 - somehow dissapointed about this decision...actually I dint expect for any decision after the league started.. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36389 Posts
On April 29 2009 16:53 bugus wrote: you're making jokes to cover your mistake... - somehow dissapointed about this decision...actually I dint expect for any decision after the league started..nowhere have we said that everything is 100% written in stone and unchangeable. would you still think it's a mistake if we had a rule in FPL that stated "Admins reserve the right to remove unfair DQ penalties"? Because I don't think we need to outright say that - it's common sense and accepted that when a rule is stupid and unfair, we don't follow it. we aren't kespa. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On April 29 2009 15:40 Scorch wrote: This is a bad decision and very unprofessional. If you have a rule that explicitly says DQ counts -4, then fucking go with it. The Kespa decision was stupid of course, but Kespa is what counts and you MUST account for their official ruling. You can't change the rules midgame just because some people are at a disadvantage. We all knew the rules beforehand. What if someone purposefully put Firebathero and BackHo on their anti team hoping for DQs for crotch dances / zizi yo? You do realize you sound 100% like a KESPA referee DQ'ing Leta, also based on rules? Be happy there's still some people thinking around here and doing what is 'right'. We aren't afraid to admit our mistakes and overrule previous decisions at TL. That's how it should be everywhere but somehow most people stick to rules no matter how retarded those rules may be. That's not us though. If we think we can do better then we will improve, and so we have. | ||
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Samurai-
Slovenia2035 Posts
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Beamo
France1279 Posts
On April 29 2009 17:25 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: You do realize you sound 100% like a KESPA referee DQ'ing Leta, also based on rules? Be happy there's still some people thinking around here and doing what is 'right'. We aren't afraid to admit our mistakes and overrule previous decisions at TL. That's how it should be everywhere but somehow most people stick to rules no matter how retarded those rules may be. That's not us though. If we think we can do better then we will improve, and so we have. Finally some common sense... I am kind of surprised to see all the bitching about KESPA blindly applying rules and at the same time people asking TL to do the same... As Liquid'Nazgul pointed out, if we can find ways to improve the system, let's do it! | ||
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
Well let's just leave it at that. There is no perfect solution to such matters I guess, screwing all Leta owners over wouldn't be any better. PS: Hot_Bid is a dirty cheater and should be penalized with  | ||
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