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konadora
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Total of 6 maps, with 4 new maps!
KeSPA has announced the official maps that will be used for Proleague Round 4 starting 11th April 2009.
Round 4 will now have 6 maps after removing old maps, down from 8 official maps. Only Medusa and Destination will be kept.
Round 4 will include fresh new maps, Heartbreak Ridge, God's Garden, Battle Royale and Outsider.
Maps with new concepts have been added to the map pool, with hopes of creating new exciting games.
Destination will remain as it is, while Medusa has underwent 'PvT' balance changes, and will be called 'Neo Medusa'.
The new maps will be used in round 4 and 5, and based on balance, a maximum of two maps will be replaced at the end of round 4 if necessary.
The maps will be revealed to everyone and for everyone to download, including observer versions, at the official website www.e-sports.or.kr on 10th April 2009.
Source: Fomos.kr
+ Show Spoiler [Original Korean News] +신한은행 프로리그 08-09 4라운드 공식맵 발표 2009년 04월 06일 15시 11분 [한국e스포츠협회 제공]총 공식맵 수 6개로 변경, 신규맵 4개 대거 투입 사단법인 한국e스포츠협회(회장 서진우)는 오는 4월 11일(토)부터 시작하는 “신한은행 프로리그 08-09시즌 4라운드” 공식맵을 발표했다. 4라운드부터는 기존 8개의 공식맵에서 올드맵이 제외된 6개의 공식맵이 사용된다. 또한 기존맵 6개 중 메두사와 데스티네이션을 제외한 나머지 4개맵은 신규맵으로 교체하게 됐다. 4라운드부터 새롭게 선보이는 신규맵은 ‘단장의능선’, ‘신의정원’, ‘배틀 로얄(Battle Royal)’, ‘아웃사이더(Outsider)’로, 단순한 형태의 힘싸움형 맵 보다는 다소 전략적이고 독특한 형태의 맵이 대거 선정됐다. 특히 기존 맵의 지형형태와는 다소 색다른 내외곽 전장 분리형 맵이 2개나 추가되며 새로운 형태의 경기양상을 볼 수 있을 것으로 기대되고 있다. 지난 시즌 잔류맵인 데스티네이션은 수정 없이 그대로 사용되며, 메두사는 테란vs토스전을 보완하는 수정을 거쳐서 ‘네오 메두사’로 수정되어 사용된다. 선정된 공식맵은 4~5라운드 동안 사용되며, 종족밸런스 및 경기양상을 고려하여 필요시 4라운드 종료 후 최대 2개까지 다른 신규맵으로 교체할 예정이다. 공식맵의 일반인 공개는 4월 10일(금) 협회 사이트(www.e-sports.or.kr)를 통해 공개될 예정이며 옵저버 맵과 연습용 맵이 포함되어 배포된다. 모바일로 보는 스타크래프트 1253+NATE/ⓝ/ez-i Enjoy e-Sports & http://www.fomos.kr 무단 전재 및 재배포 금지
Neo Medusa God's Garden Heartbreak Ridge Battle Royale Outsider
Thanks GTR for HQ map images.
A few map changes from the first beta builds:
Neo Medusa - Center is mainly buildable now
Battle Royale - Changed center design
Heartbreak Ridge - Added minerals and Temples to corners
On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 18:40 konadora wrote:On April 06 2009 18:34 Crunchums wrote:
Can anyone tell if the middle of outsider is accessible from the gap in the lava? And does anyone know if any of the neutral buildings are stacked? Yes, there are ramps if you look closely ^^; More detail will be announced on 10th, as of now, probably only Idra knows. theres like 7~ 1500 hp temples stacked on the corners in heartbreak ridge and none of them are stacked on battle royale
Edit: Map available for download here!
Poll: Happy with new map pool?
(Vote): YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
(Vote): Utterly disappointing!
(Vote): I don't really care, I want to see some games!
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Thanks for the translation. Was there any description of the changes made to medusa?
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51446 Posts
YES HEARTBREAK RIDGE AND OUTSIDER!!
can't wait for the change log of 'neo medusa' haha
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''while Medusa has underwent 'PvT' balance changes, and will be called 'Neo Medusa'."
Can't wait to see the impact.
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they just made the center mostly buildable
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On April 06 2009 15:42 Avidkeystamper wrote:
''while Medusa has underwent 'PvT' balance changes, and will be called 'Neo Medusa'."
Can't wait to see the impact.
Hopefully it remains Taekdusa, that's all I care about!
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 06 2009 15:42 sixghost wrote:
Thanks for the translation. Was there any description of the changes made to medusa?
Nope, no change.
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Great News !!! Although i wanted to see all of them, it seems like they picked the better ones
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
I'm thinking they didn't choose Shades of Twilight because the name is too long.
On April 06 2009 15:43 IdrA wrote:
they just made the center mostly buildable
Really? I still think P>T slightly due to the wide open center...
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On April 06 2009 15:43 IdrA wrote:
they just made the center mostly buildable
have you played any of the new maps? whats the balance look like?
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sweet news! Thanks for posting!!
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51446 Posts
here is a picture of neo medusa
so yeh middle is mostly buildable now
i don't understand the gas change at the bottom main though
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you could siege the gas from really high up on the high ground at 6 before, whereas with the other 2 mains you had to make your way further in before you could reach any resources.
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 06 2009 15:54 GTR wrote:here is a picture of neo medusa so yeh middle is mostly buildable now i don't understand the gas change at the bottom main though
Gas change is so random lol.
Btw, is it me or does the cliff at the main (right beside the mineral line) seem wider now?
On April 06 2009 15:57 IdrA wrote:
you could siege the gas from really high up on the high ground at 6 before, whereas with the other 2 mains you had to make your way further in before you could reach any resources.
Ah, thanks Idra! But if that's the case, shouldn't they move the gas at 3 to below the town hall?
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On April 06 2009 15:50 littlechava wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 15:43 IdrA wrote:
they just made the center mostly buildable have you played any of the new maps? whats the balance look like?
ya played all of them a little
the one with spokes from the center seems t>p but 10/15 gate is strong
the neo loki one is a joke. if you dont send out 2 scvs and get first scout and bbs in their main double nex is invincible. double command is actually semi viable, the rush distances are so long.
outsider is kinda weird, ive played it the least.
battle royal is fun but quite non standard so its hard to really predict balance on it
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On April 06 2009 15:57 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 15:54 GTR wrote:here is a picture of neo medusa so yeh middle is mostly buildable now i don't understand the gas change at the bottom main though Gas change is so random lol. Btw, is it me or does the cliff at the main (right beside the mineral line) seem wider now? Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 15:57 IdrA wrote:
you could siege the gas from really high up on the high ground at 6 before, whereas with the other 2 mains you had to make your way further in before you could reach any resources. Ah, thanks Idra! But if that's the case, shouldn't they move the gas at 3 to below the town hall?
gas below cc mines significantly slower, on the left/top is pretty close to max efficiency
and on 3 you still have to get in quite far before you can reach it, at 6 on old medusa you literally just had to get up onto the high ground to reach it.
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 06 2009 16:00 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 15:57 konadora wrote:On April 06 2009 15:54 GTR wrote:here is a picture of neo medusa so yeh middle is mostly buildable now i don't understand the gas change at the bottom main though Gas change is so random lol. Btw, is it me or does the cliff at the main (right beside the mineral line) seem wider now? On April 06 2009 15:57 IdrA wrote:
you could siege the gas from really high up on the high ground at 6 before, whereas with the other 2 mains you had to make your way further in before you could reach any resources. Ah, thanks Idra! But if that's the case, shouldn't they move the gas at 3 to below the town hall? gas below cc mines significantly slower, on the left/top is pretty close to max efficiency and on 3 you still have to get in quite far before you can reach it, at 6 on old medusa you literally just had to get up onto the high ground to reach it.
If only they hadn't had such inefficiency bugs.. you need to go further in to attack the gas at 6 and 10 as compared to 3 >___>
Edit: WAIT. WHERE DID I SEE THAT CENTER LOGO BEFORE??? I swear I saw it somewhere.
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can someone rehost the pic of neo medusa... it's not loading for me atm, thanks.
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On April 06 2009 16:06 blabber wrote:
can someone rehost the pic of neo medusa... it's not loading for me atm, thanks.
Same for me, actually.
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Idra, what about Central Plains and Shades of Twilight ? Since the werent approved by KESPA do you still get a chance to play them or only the other 4 maps ?
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 06 2009 16:07 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 16:06 blabber wrote:
can someone rehost the pic of neo medusa... it's not loading for me atm, thanks. Same for me, actually.
On April 06 2009 16:06 blabber wrote:
can someone rehost the pic of neo medusa... it's not loading for me atm, thanks.
Done, showing now? I hosted it on imageshack...
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On April 06 2009 16:08 stambe wrote:
Idra, what about Central Plains and Shades of Twilight ? Since the werent approved by KESPA do you still get a chance to play them or only the other 4 maps ?
dunno whats happening with them
they werent given to us to practice
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On April 06 2009 16:09 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 16:08 stambe wrote:
Idra, what about Central Plains and Shades of Twilight ? Since the werent approved by KESPA do you still get a chance to play them or only the other 4 maps ? dunno whats happening with them they werent given to us to practice
Good question. I always wondered what Isaac Newton and those other maps looked like
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Wow, hardcore.
They removed good and proven maps like Andromeda and Colluseum to replace them with new and kinda odd maps.
Battle Royale is just super-strange.
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Holy cow, these maps look GREAT! I can't wait to see these in action, especially Neo Medusa and Battle Royale.
(Unfortunately, every new map I've been excited about has turned out to be imbalanced)
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
So, no anticipating Central Plains?
Anyway it's awesome! And there is no boring Shades of Twilight!! 
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God's Garden is sort of boring though
Others are all CUTE, especially Battle Royale and Outsider
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On April 06 2009 15:57 IdrA wrote:
you could siege the gas from really high up on the high ground at 6 before, whereas with the other 2 mains you had to make your way further in before you could reach any resources.
not to mention that it was harder to defend vs muta harass with the gas so far away from your min line.
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Thx for the explanations Idra. That gas location at 3 will really make that an unlucky spawn point.
But why'd they get rid of the more proven and balanced maps like Colo II and Andro?
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because they have been pretty much 'solved' and have gotten stale with both the general viewing audience and the players
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
Games on Colosseum and Andromeda were usually macro and rather boring
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that and they've been used for what seems like forever now?
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I see I see. BTW what's the schedule for the upcoming Proleague matches this week? The calendar top right says Woongjin vs. S... S? Just...need....one more letter!
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On April 06 2009 16:16 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 16:09 IdrA wrote:On April 06 2009 16:08 stambe wrote:
Idra, what about Central Plains and Shades of Twilight ? Since the werent approved by KESPA do you still get a chance to play them or only the other 4 maps ? dunno whats happening with them they werent given to us to practice Good question. I always wondered what Isaac Newton and those other maps looked like
Yeah, last september Acro and Isaac Newton weren't released to the public or the teams. Only a handful games were played on them by a select few progamers to judge the balance, that weren't broadcasted. I've always wondered how they looked like. Maybe one of them is a reworked version of one of the maps we will see used in the coming PL Round. I've read an inteview with Rose of Dream that Arkanoid was made out of a concept he initially designed 2 years early and the map was twilight with a bit of different terrain.
But the initial map wasn't approved by KESPA at that time. At least we now know how Central Plains and Shades of Twilight looked like.
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Kentor
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Hot_Bid pointed out that battle royale looks to have changed a lot; heres a comparison going over the very low quality preview image:
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Interesting, can't wait to see some games on them.
Hopefully there'll be some unorthodox strategies put in action.
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God's Garden sounds weird, should the foreigners just call it Eden or Garden of Eden?
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Outsider looks insanely lame..
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I notice they added neutral building + mineral block to the corners of Heartbreak Ridge.
So glad they made the center of Medusa buildable, maybe now terrans other than flash will have a chance vP on that map.
Can't wait for games on these maps
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
I liked the older design of Battle Royale more 
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On April 06 2009 17:52 konadora wrote:I liked the older design of Battle Royale more
If they made the change for balance purposes then it's still worth it. Concepts maps have the potential for a lot of fun, nonstandard games - but they also have the potential to be so imbalanced that you only ever see mirror matches (think Raid Assault).
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again, I'm having trouble with the pics that are coming from afreeca.com...
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 06 2009 17:59 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 17:52 konadora wrote:I liked the older design of Battle Royale more If they made the change for balance purposes then it's still worth it. Concepts maps have the potential for a lot of fun, nonstandard games - but they also have the potential to be so imbalanced that you only ever see mirror matches (think Raid Assault).
Yea I know it's probably because of balance issues, but aesthetic-wise, it just looks nicer 
On April 06 2009 18:06 blabber wrote:
again, I'm having trouble with the pics that are coming from afreeca.com...
I'll host them on imageshack, give me a sec.
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Can anyone tell if the middle of outsider is accessible from the gap in the lava? And does anyone know if any of the neutral buildings on any of the maps are stacked?
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 06 2009 18:34 Crunchums wrote:
Can anyone tell if the middle of outsider is accessible from the gap in the lava? And does anyone know if any of the neutral buildings are stacked?
Yes, there are ramps if you look closely ^^;
More detail will be announced on 10th, as of now, probably only Idra knows.
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A quick mineral count:
god's garden - 8 main, 6 nat, 6 protected nat
heartbreak ridge - 9 main, 7 nat
battle royale - 8 main, 8 nat
outsider - 9 main, 7 nat, 8 @ mineral walls
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Yeah my decision to play all my games on Destination turned out correct!
Too bad they removed Central Plains, it looked like a fun map
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Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting.
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Damn. No more Tau Cross. I liked that map =\ And they kept Destination. Didn't like that one T.T
No andromeda too. Haha. Always liked a ZvP slug fest there ~_~
Oh well. Hope they're fun.
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On April 06 2009 18:40 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 18:34 Crunchums wrote:
Can anyone tell if the middle of outsider is accessible from the gap in the lava? And does anyone know if any of the neutral buildings are stacked? Yes, there are ramps if you look closely ^^; More detail will be announced on 10th, as of now, probably only Idra knows.
theres like 7~ 1500 hp temples stacked on the corners in heartbreak ridge and none of them are stacked on battle royale
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On April 06 2009 19:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting.
indeed
its basically a shitty boring version of loki, altho at least carriers arent as overpowered
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Idra does the new Medusa seem to be a lot better for TvP or still imba?
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dunno playing mostly the new maps
i doubt it'll change much though
the big problems were the free double nexus and the fact that defending wall harass and shuttle play was a massive bitch, and it doesnt address either of those.
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 06 2009 20:01 IdrA wrote:
the big problems were the free double nexus and the fact that defending wall harass and shuttle play was a massive bitch, and it doesnt address either of those.
QFT
I don't know how many times I lost on Medusa because of that
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United States13896 Posts
Yessss Outsider made it. Also looking forward to the revised Medusa and Heartbreak Ridge. Gogo PL Round 4!
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Shame about Central Plains i liked the look of that. When will we be able to get the new maps to play on iccup?
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the lava map and the snow map just look so awesome :D
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Interesting, time for map studying.
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battle royale looks really sick, i think ill enjoy seeing games/playing games on that
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Does Outsider look like Paradoxx to anyone else? I know it's not islands at all, but every time I look at the map I just see a Paradoxx overlay popping up in my head.
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gods garden looks great. this new maps are cool. but they not seem to balance except gods garden and neo medusa
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Nice, the maps look interesting. Can't wait to see how the players play and who gets the "imbalance" on their side.
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gotta say these maps are looking balanced and and different, which is awesome.
Actually at a further look i don't like Gods Garden. Seems like the entrances to the naturals arn't even. 3 easy gas seems interesting. id definitely go 3 hatch muta a lot on this map.
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United States12607 Posts
This is going to be a really fun round of PL! It's been a long time since we've seen a really bizarre map in the pool...
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Where can one go to find out the upcoming proleague team matchups? I don't see another thread in the forum...
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On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 18:40 konadora wrote:On April 06 2009 18:34 Crunchums wrote:
Can anyone tell if the middle of outsider is accessible from the gap in the lava? And does anyone know if any of the neutral buildings are stacked? Yes, there are ramps if you look closely ^^; More detail will be announced on 10th, as of now, probably only Idra knows. theres like 7~ 1500 hp temples stacked on the corners in heartbreak ridge and none of them are stacked on battle royale
thanks
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Any timeline on download? I checked ongamenet.com but they weren't up for download (from what I saw) yet.
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On April 07 2009 01:21 hasuprotoss wrote:
Any timeline on download? I checked ongamenet.com but they weren't up for download (from what I saw) yet.
The maps will be revealed to everyone and for everyone to download, including observer versions, at the official website www.e-sports.or.kr on 10th April 2009.
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On April 07 2009 01:26 Abydos1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 01:21 hasuprotoss wrote:
Any timeline on download? I checked ongamenet.com but they weren't up for download (from what I saw) yet.
this will be the longest 3 days of my life.
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United States10328 Posts
dang battle royale looks pretty cool
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On April 06 2009 20:01 IdrA wrote:
dunno playing mostly the new maps
i doubt it'll change much though
the big problems were the free double nexus and the fact that defending wall harass and shuttle play was a massive bitch, and it doesnt address either of those.
I know you can't really give away to much of your thoughts on them but give us what you can about the new maps. What you likeing or hating so far?
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Neo Medusa is the same, and all around good map (except if you're a Terran facing protoss lol)
God's Garden looks awkward to play on, I don't really understand the map.
Heartbreak Ridge looks like it favors terran.
Battle Royale looks freaking awesome. I can't wait to see games on it. It might favor zerg, but who knows.
Outsider looks like it's a bad map for zerg v terran due to the third being wide open to tanks.
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on neo-medusa it looks substantially easier to defend from muta. at top left compared to the other two mains
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Other than Neo Medusa these maps seem a bit unfavorable to Protoss. I'm just stabbing out into the air though.
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TvP on outsider looks like it be kinda hard for toss. Looks like terren never really will have to push the center. Seems like they can just leap frog the edges of the map pretty easy.
EDIT: also it kinda hard to tell but outsider really needs that mineral patch at those back expos so u need a scv and dropship b4 u can expo there. Right now looks like terren could fast expo then just float two CCs to those back expos and be running off 4 gas really quick.
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I still don't understand how the changes in Medusa are supposed to take 68% pvt to 50-60%
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On April 07 2009 05:22 InToTheWannaB wrote:
TvP on outsider looks like it be kinda hard for toss. Looks like terren never really will have to push the center. Seems like they can just leap frog the edges of the map pretty easy.
Agreed. Not to mention, even if Terran did take the center, the lava makes it a deathtrap for Protoss. They have very little recourse against being sieged.
With Battle Royale, I'm not even sure what to think. How exactly does a protoss defeat a giant Terran army on that map? It's difficult to judge distances from a shrunken down map, but if Terran can siege the Protoss base from outside those boundaries... jeez. I don't know about zerg though.
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God's Garden is going to be a huge nightmare for Terran in TvP.
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Braavos36374 Posts
God's Garden will be very much like Andromeda imo
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On April 07 2009 05:22 InToTheWannaB wrote:
EDIT: also it kinda hard to tell but outsider really needs that mineral patch at those back expos so u need a scv and dropship b4 u can expo there. Right now looks like terren could fast expo then just float two CCs to those back expos and be running off 4 gas really quick.
Well any race can float stuff down to their third. Seems like a high money map for everyone (especially terran though).
The whole set looks like it favors terran in general. Perhaps they're hoping for oov and Boxer to make a comeback.
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Can't wait to see some games, they look amazing. We'll see about balance though.
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I'm very bummed that Flashland (the BGH esque map) didn't make it.
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On April 06 2009 15:57 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 15:54 GTR wrote:here is a picture of neo medusa so yeh middle is mostly buildable now i don't understand the gas change at the bottom main though Gas change is so random lol. Btw, is it me or does the cliff at the main (right beside the mineral line) seem wider now? Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 15:57 IdrA wrote:
you could siege the gas from really high up on the high ground at 6 before, whereas with the other 2 mains you had to make your way further in before you could reach any resources. Ah, thanks Idra! But if that's the case, shouldn't they move the gas at 3 to below the town hall?
also, for zerg (especially in ZvZ) if you need to make a sunken in ur main it won't ever cover gas,minerals, and buildings with the gas at 12, if it's at 3 it's much closer/tighter.
PS- I hope they fixed the space behind minerals there too, I've gotten drones trapped there a few times.
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Hopefully God's garden will replace fucking python. That shit is just getting old now.
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Outsider has 15 mineral patch and 12 gas. That's a lot of resource for a 3 player map.
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heartbreak looks like it'll be pretty hard pvz ;o
extremely interesting maps tho. glad they changed medusa too
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Outsider looks like its gonna be a bitch ZvP, lots of minerals, tons of places to harass or drop lots/dts, really easy expos...
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I wish Idra would tell us more about what playing Protoss is like on these new maps.
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really fucking easy
as normal
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Honestly i really liked central plains. Oh well not that big of a loss.
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On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 19:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting. indeed its basically a shitty boring version of loki, altho at least carriers arent as overpowered
I can understand you might not like it, but I don't see how it's a boring version.
Unlike Loki your back expo can be cliffed, which could lead to some cool drop ship play.
And the front expo doesn't have a small choke at the front, it's quite wide open plus the minerals are facing impassable terrain which is going to make muta harass really easy.
It kinda seems like both expansions are a lot more difficult to hold than Loki.
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On April 07 2009 09:13 IdrA wrote:
really fucking easy
as normal
hahaha what did you expect from a Terran, scwiz?
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On April 07 2009 09:37 Klive5ive wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:On April 06 2009 19:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting. indeed its basically a shitty boring version of loki, altho at least carriers arent as overpowered I can understand you might not like it, but I don't see how it's a boring version. Unlike Loki your back expo can be cliffed, which could lead to some cool drop ship play. And the front expo doesn't have a small choke at the front, it's quite wide open plus the minerals are facing impassable terrain which is going to make muta harass really easy. It kinda seems like both expansions are a lot more difficult to hold than Loki.
its so huge that no kind of rushes or timing attacks have any chance, and its impossible for terran to take a 4th base, so basically you just turtle and hope your one big army is enough to kill them. and tvz is literally impossible to win. 3 free gas and the longest rush distances ever. by the time your marines get to one of the 4 expos they took they have ultralisks.
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Cant wait I cant actually view all the matches live, SPRING BREAK!!
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Battle royale gonna be epic
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Battle Royale should be interesting. Curious to see how the games will turn out.
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Man Outsider screams worker jumping for a relatively safe double gas expo.
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Well, God's Garden in still in but at least they cut Central Plains. Glad Battle Royale survived, I'm as psyched for it as apparently everyone else is.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On April 07 2009 10:37 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 09:37 Klive5ive wrote:On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:On April 06 2009 19:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting. indeed its basically a shitty boring version of loki, altho at least carriers arent as overpowered I can understand you might not like it, but I don't see how it's a boring version. Unlike Loki your back expo can be cliffed, which could lead to some cool drop ship play. And the front expo doesn't have a small choke at the front, it's quite wide open plus the minerals are facing impassable terrain which is going to make muta harass really easy. It kinda seems like both expansions are a lot more difficult to hold than Loki. its so huge that no kind of rushes or timing attacks have any chance, and its impossible for terran to take a 4th base, so basically you just turtle and hope your one big army is enough to kill them. and tvz is literally impossible to win. 3 free gas and the longest rush distances ever. by the time your marines get to one of the 4 expos they took they have ultralisks.
in other words, we're going to see every terran avoid God's Garden like the plague or go 2-15, and then Flash goes 8-1
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 07 2009 11:32 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 10:37 IdrA wrote:On April 07 2009 09:37 Klive5ive wrote:On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:On April 06 2009 19:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting. indeed its basically a shitty boring version of loki, altho at least carriers arent as overpowered I can understand you might not like it, but I don't see how it's a boring version. Unlike Loki your back expo can be cliffed, which could lead to some cool drop ship play. And the front expo doesn't have a small choke at the front, it's quite wide open plus the minerals are facing impassable terrain which is going to make muta harass really easy. It kinda seems like both expansions are a lot more difficult to hold than Loki. its so huge that no kind of rushes or timing attacks have any chance, and its impossible for terran to take a 4th base, so basically you just turtle and hope your one big army is enough to kill them. and tvz is literally impossible to win. 3 free gas and the longest rush distances ever. by the time your marines get to one of the 4 expos they took they have ultralisks. in other words, we're going to see every terran avoid God's Garden like the plague or go 2-15, and then Flash goes 8-1
AHAHAHHA LOL
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On April 07 2009 09:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:hahaha what did you expect from a Terran, scwiz?
I meant to say either "playing against protoss" or "playing as terran" and I ended up saying "playing as protoss"
On April 07 2009 10:37 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 09:37 Klive5ive wrote:On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:On April 06 2009 19:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting. indeed its basically a shitty boring version of loki, altho at least carriers arent as overpowered I can understand you might not like it, but I don't see how it's a boring version. Unlike Loki your back expo can be cliffed, which could lead to some cool drop ship play. And the front expo doesn't have a small choke at the front, it's quite wide open plus the minerals are facing impassable terrain which is going to make muta harass really easy. It kinda seems like both expansions are a lot more difficult to hold than Loki. its so huge that no kind of rushes or timing attacks have any chance, and its impossible for terran to take a 4th base, so basically you just turtle and hope your one big army is enough to kill them. and tvz is literally impossible to win. 3 free gas and the longest rush distances ever. by the time your marines get to one of the 4 expos they took they have ultralisks.
that's sad news.
On April 07 2009 11:32 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 10:37 IdrA wrote:On April 07 2009 09:37 Klive5ive wrote:On April 06 2009 19:46 IdrA wrote:On April 06 2009 19:35 Shikyo wrote:
Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy would they get the God's Garden??? Just bring Loki back. =( Central Plains was so much more interesting. indeed its basically a shitty boring version of loki, altho at least carriers arent as overpowered I can understand you might not like it, but I don't see how it's a boring version. Unlike Loki your back expo can be cliffed, which could lead to some cool drop ship play. And the front expo doesn't have a small choke at the front, it's quite wide open plus the minerals are facing impassable terrain which is going to make muta harass really easy. It kinda seems like both expansions are a lot more difficult to hold than Loki. its so huge that no kind of rushes or timing attacks have any chance, and its impossible for terran to take a 4th base, so basically you just turtle and hope your one big army is enough to kill them. and tvz is literally impossible to win. 3 free gas and the longest rush distances ever. by the time your marines get to one of the 4 expos they took they have ultralisks. in other words, we're going to see every terran avoid God's Garden like the plague or go 2-15, and then Flash goes 8-1
I'm guessing that one game flash loses will be against Jaedong and be like that recent game, where Jaedong was everywhere at once, and using nydus canals even, and flash couldn't keep up on econ.
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Battle Royale looks like games will be wierd to play on. I predict that a 4 pool will be the favored bo on this map, with the bases so close together.
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On April 07 2009 12:21 ghermination wrote:
Battle Royale looks like games will be wierd to play on. I predict that a 4 pool will be the favored bo on this map, with the bases so close together.
it's a two player map, the opponent would scout it and prepare for it so easily
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On April 07 2009 12:50 blabber wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 12:21 ghermination wrote:
Battle Royale looks like games will be wierd to play on. I predict that a 4 pool will be the favored bo on this map, with the bases so close together.
it's a two player map, the opponent would scout it and prepare for it so easily
i dont think theres gonna be many z's playing on battle royale at all
8 rax -> mech is ridiculously strong due to the rush distances and the tight chokes, if they pool first you just defend behind your assims and the vulture is out before their hatch is done, if they hatch first the bunker rush rapes them.
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What would you say is the most balanced map in the pool IdrA?
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Baa?21242 Posts
Battle Royal(e?) seems like it's gonna be a Zerg graveyard.
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On April 07 2009 13:03 scwizard wrote:
What would you say is the most balanced map in the pool IdrA? i dont really know how outsider is gonna play out
battle royale is massively anti zerg
gods garden is massively anti terran
heartbreak ridge seems like its gonna favor terran
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Does the Battle Royale assims works like troy's where one destroyed = small units only and 2 = complete block? If so I could actually see zerg being pretty strong zvt. Either kill one assim with pool first then go 3 hatch mutas (4 gas) then just overpower him or go quick hydras to bust both assims.
And how does those neutral buildings work? Are they only one each or are they stacked like in medusa?
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battle royal and heartbreak are so good!!!! remind me of old times...
PS never noticed a naci sign in center of medusa o_O
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Baa?21242 Posts
On April 07 2009 14:16 lamarine wrote:
battle royal and heartbreak are so good!!!! remind me of old times...
The age of goddamn imbalanced maps that screwed countless Zergs?
Yeah...good...>_>
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Would battle royale be less anti zerg if they stacked the assililators to stop thing from ending too fast?
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Wow...at first I thought God's Garden looked to be a decent macro map, but the more I look at it...it becomes more and more retarded.
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On April 07 2009 14:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 14:16 lamarine wrote:
battle royal and heartbreak are so good!!!! remind me of old times...
The age of goddamn imbalanced maps that screwed countless Zergs? Yeah...good...>_>
You had mercury be quiet.
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Baa?21242 Posts
I was actually referring to T > Z imba. Of which there were easy 10+ horrid maps that exacerbated the inherent T>Z bias >_<
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I like the way the new medusa is looking. Makes my day as a Terran a little bit easier. The rest are looking pretty cool as well.
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Russian Federation1612 Posts
Destination stays but why they throwed off Chupung? It's rather cool map, similar to Destination. Is it imba?
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 07 2009 16:35 Jenia6109 wrote:
Destination stays but why they throwed off Chupung? It's rather cool map, similar to Destination. Is it imba?
Sin Chupung-Ryeong
신추풍령
Size: 96x128
Spots: 1, 7
Tileset: Jungle World
Games played: 122
Race Stats (non-mirrors):
TvZ: 18-12 (60%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 11-7 (61.1%) [ Games ]
PvT: 8-15 (34.8%) [ Games ]
I say yes.
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I like Outsider, looks like a macro map but where you also have to use drops too take out expoes, instead of only running around with a big army.
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
Okay guys, I don't know if it's alright to do this, but I think there's been a leak of the maps, and I managed to get my hands on Outsider. If the mods think that it is inappropriate, remove the link, if not, enjoy :D
[url blocked]
Oh, the mineral walls have 749 minerals btw.
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 08 2009 14:12 GTR wrote:
the only leaked map?
I can't find others at the moment ^^;
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Nothing changed much on Neo Medusa, except that the middle can now be built on.
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On April 08 2009 13:27 konadora wrote:
Okay guys, I don't know if it's alright to do this, but I think there's been a leak of the maps, and I managed to get my hands on Outsider. If the mods think that it is inappropriate, remove the link, if not, enjoy :D
[url blocked]
Oh, the mineral walls have 749 minerals btw.
i wonder how it got leaked <_>
I quess some progamer shared it with some of his "trusted" friends :S
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Korea (South)3086 Posts
God's Garden is interesting with the 2 natural expansions. Looks like the second one is going to be heavily exploited though with siege tank drops.
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These unothodox maps surely favour Stork, Song Byung Gu!
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On April 08 2009 17:12 Baddieko wrote:
These unothodox maps surely favour Stork, Song Byung Gu!
... and Fantasy.
I'm glad theses map look so weird, the map pool is what keeps the metagame moving. I'm expecting nice new strats.
Glad also they did something about imbusa, who was plainly unplayable as a terran player.
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I still don't see what how making the center buildable is going to make is magically balanced. Could someone explain that to me?
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Full resolution picture of outsider: upload.mn/files/38ihbg1a3clwq52p6ywu.png
Full resolution picture of battle royale: upload.mn/files/ddyd26erofpu0u2hl7ct.png
Full resolution picture of heartbreak ridge: upload.mn/files/wqz30j8fuu1qysh422nj.png
Full resolution picture of god's garden: upload.mn/files/ehe27weqlz85645hjyzz.png
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wow battle royal looks so fun, feels like blood bath again
gods garden looks pretty standard, securing an extra base apart from the main is going to be hard for t especially in tvp but they compensated that by giving them 3 gases
heartbreak ridge seems so weird but the map is probably the most diverse map ive ever seen, the ground seems so compact and tight but theres so many openings for p to move around so i have no idea how pvt is going to be here, as for pvz i can already tell its going to be a nightmare for p users, the exps are so far apart and theres just too much room for z to move around
i dont understand the concept of outsider..an island map?
edit: oh i just noticed the ramps leading all the bases to the center while the side exps are isolated.. thats interesting but i cant imagine the gaming style here
all in all my favorite map has to be battle royal but heartbreak ridge looks amazing too, im just scared about the pvz on it
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On April 07 2009 13:52 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2009 13:03 scwizard wrote:
What would you say is the most balanced map in the pool IdrA? i dont really know how outsider is gonna play out battle royale is massively anti zerg gods garden is massively anti terran heartbreak ridge seems like its gonna favor terran
hmmm
lineups are out.... and.... every match on battle royal is zvz or zvp ^_^
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How teams have sent out players:
Battle Royale - 9z 1p
Heartbreak Ridge - 8t 5z 1p
Outsider - 8t 4z 4p
God's Garden - 5t 5z 6p
Battle Royale - very zerg
Heartbreak Ridge - anti protoss
Outsider - slightly terran
God's Garden - no preference
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it would be interesting to look at lineups in month and see how race balance evolved since now
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
Flash is the only terran on Neo medusa, he owns this map.
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Aren't the maps out in one of the blogs? I downloaded them...
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9070 Posts
Zerg will suck balls on Outsider Where is the 3rd gas ?
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konadora
Singapore66160 Posts
On April 09 2009 22:34 disciple wrote:Zerg will suck balls on Outsider Where is the 3rd gas ?
Mineral glitch and you have both 3rd AND 4th gas.
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