On March 21 2009 16:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for a familiar phrase from your pal FakeSteve:

Fantasy will win OSL

Yes please.

raga4ka

Bulgaria5679 Posts

March 21 2009 08:19 GMT

#102

On March 21 2009 14:56 konadora wrote:

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That's his and your truth. Doesn't make it a fact, unless you provide concrete evidence.

I think this is enough evidence for now ...

konadora

Singapore66159 Posts

March 21 2009 08:22 GMT

#103

On March 21 2009 15:47 latent wrote:
I'm NOT "hating him". I have all the respect in the world for him making it to the OSL finals, especially over Bisu. My point is it's possibly not a coincidence his losing streak in the Winners League started just as he began his OSL round of 16. I know certain players need to prepare a great deal for each match they play. It's why Savior didn't even bother trying to dominate the OSL when he went on his MSL runs, and why he benefitted from a more spaced out schedule. My point is the IMPRESSION on others was that fantasy was dedicating an uneven amount of time towards preparing for his individual league matchups.

And to be fair to other players, everyone benefits from having the time to practice for specific players and matchups. Fantasy's not some sort of alien creature who's different from all his teammates. Flash needs time to prepare for each matchup just like everyone else, which is why I mentioned him falling out of both leagues. And it doesn't matter what oov or other players/coaches say to the other coaches or management. They still want their players to contribute as much as possible to the proleague matchups. They'll always pressure the players to win for the group rather than the individual. Fantasy losing 6 games in the Winners League, for *whatever* reason, is going to result in strong feelings of disappointment from the higher ups.

I also forgot to mention Fantasy has generally done mediocre to below average in all Proleague seasons, not just the Winners League. This includes the seasons where teams had to decide the matchups before their competition started. Fantasy is a guy who has made it to two OSL finals in a row. That's an amazing accomplishment! Think of the very few players who've done such a thing. Did you ever see them failing as miserably as Fantasy has in Proleague? There's a limit to how much you can argue about a person's "style" or "method of preparation".

For playing in Winner's league, there's increased amount of pressure coming from all sides - the team, the coach, the opponent. The weight of having to carry your team is enormous, whereas in an individual league, that isn't so much that case.

Also, if you watched the VODs, fantasy actually played pretty well (maybe except the game vs Luxury in the playoffs), just that the opponents played better/smarter than the opponents he faced in the OSL. There are many factors as to why he's succeeded more in the individual league than the PL, so I don't think it's justified to say that 'the higher ups are going to rape his ass'. It's not like Fantasy never performed.

On March 21 2009 17:19 raga4ka wrote:

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I think this is enough evidence for now ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzvv__4fuio

I refer to the sentence "This man speaks truth." I love Jaedong too, don't worry.

nttea

Sweden4353 Posts

March 21 2009 08:31 GMT

#104

oh man! fantasy destroyed the best final ever... Jd is going to get him for that.

[X]Ken_D

United States4650 Posts

March 21 2009 08:55 GMT

#105

Thanks for the interview. Hopefully he will now show good results in proleague.

- You will be playing a zerg in the finals
▲When I look at the maps, it is easier for terran to defeat zerg than for protoss to beat zerg. Since I beat Bisu Hyung to get to the finals, I will take the championship on his behalf.

This OSL finals reminds me of oov vs July finals. Unless Jaedong comes up with something unorthodox or Fantasy screws up, the OSL gold is handed to Fantasy thanks to the map pool. Might be another 3-0.

latent

United States428 Posts

March 21 2009 14:41 GMT

#106

Fantasy hasn't quite performed even close to what people would normally expect of him. He's 6-7 in Winners league, 11-9 in '08-'09 Shinhan Bank Proleague, and 1-4 in the '08 Shinhan Bank Proleague. That's 18-20, below 50% average. That's rather mediocre for someone who has made the OSL finals *twice in a row*. And about his opponents in the OSL not playing as well as his proleague opponents, I mean...I don't think it's fair to withhold credit for Fantasy's excellent play in the last 2 OSLs, and attribute his success to subpar opponents. And the quality of OSL opponents, especially in the RO16 and up, is significantly higher than in proleague. You sure as heck won't be facing Hyun or 815 in the OSL RO x.

And regardless of the reasons, the coaches/managers will eventually become somewhat irritated if their top-level SL player can't translate his success to WL (which was my original point, that Fantasy's coaches probably aren't overjoyed at his individual success).

RowdierBob

Australia13005 Posts

March 21 2009 14:57 GMT

#107

They're not overjoyed at one of their players making consecutive finals of the most prestigious Starcraft tournament.

Right...

koreasilver

9109 Posts

March 21 2009 15:08 GMT

#108

Yes, of course iloveoov won't be happy that his protege is doing well.

My god, this latent guy is incorrect in nearly every single post he makes.

traced

1739 Posts

March 21 2009 15:24 GMT

#109

i'm still a little upset that fantasy beat bisu so badly, but he's still my favorite terran.

i mean everyone always bitches about mechanical players without creativity, well, fantasy is your guy.

Musoeun

United States4324 Posts

March 22 2009 04:01 GMT

#110

latent: No, of course they won't be happy that he doesn't do this well in Proleague. To be fair, he doesn't get nearly the playing time of Bisu or Best, so his opportunities to pad stats with cheap wins are fewer. Yes, he doesn't dominate proleague and this is a reason he's not a true "successor" to Boxer and oov.

On the other hand, he did just win an OSL semifinal, and came through in WL Playoffs when the rest of the team wtfailed, so this is more a question of, "How can we get you to be more consistent?" not, "OMG we're so upset with you you won an OSL semi when you're barely over 0.500 in PL how dare you?"