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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On March 21 2009 12:53 erin[go]bragh wrote:
I never understood all the hate he gets around here on TL, hopefully now people can start to show him a little respect. Making it to the OSL finals two consecutive times is not luck. This guy is amazing at preparing for series, and his builds and strategic senses are just sublime. Too many people just go to TLPD and look at the win/loss section and judge a player by that alone. He is, IMO, very fun to watch, and I can't wait to see what he pulls in the finals.
This.
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On March 21 2009 12:31 Garnet wrote:
Free should be removed from "The dragons" but whatever, really suprised that Stork helped Fantasy lol.
if anyone should be removed from the dragons it should be best, oh what a coincidence SKT1 icon for you!!
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On March 21 2009 09:25 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 04:27 joohyunee wrote:SPOILER ALERT. + Show Spoiler +
- Your reaction to carriers in game 1 was very good
▲ When I saw that he didn’t take his 3rd after his reaver came out, I was sure that he was going carriers. I was already prepared for such a build and I knew how to counter it. Bisu did exactly as I thought he would.
hahaha holy shit
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Well, I don't think too many people realize this, but the SKT team (coaches or owners, not the players) probably dislikes fantasy a great deal. To them winning in the proleague is much more important in terms of getting the team sponsorship and fame. But Fantasy's was for the most part a failure in proleague (with the exception of the playoffs), while he's been shockingly successful in the OSL. It gives off the strong impression that he's only worrying about his personal success.
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So if Kal can play 'Bisu-style', wouldn't it make sense for him to do it in competitive play?
It's not like the Kal way has reaped much reward...
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You really need to stop posting latent. =/
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On March 21 2009 13:57 latent wrote:
Well, I don't think too many people realize this, but the SKT team (coaches or owners, not the players) probably dislikes fantasy a great deal. To them winning in the proleague is much more important in terms of getting the team sponsorship and fame. But Fantasy's was for the most part a failure in proleague (with the exception of the playoffs), while he's been shockingly successful in the OSL. It gives off the strong impression that he's only worrying about his personal success.
Holy cow, how is it that you're wrong EVERY TIME you post?
Isn't that statistically impossible?
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On March 21 2009 13:57 latent wrote:
Well, I don't think too many people realize this, but the SKT team (coaches or owners, not the players) probably dislikes fantasy a great deal. To them winning in the proleague is much more important in terms of getting the team sponsorship and fame. But Fantasy's was for the most part a failure in proleague (with the exception of the playoffs), while he's been shockingly successful in the OSL. It gives off the strong impression that he's only worrying about his personal success.
Stop making things up and defaming Fantasy, or the whole of SKT1 for that matter.
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lol, how come the kid named latent fails at every post he made. Is he so dumb or simply a troll? I cant believe someone is that dumb
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Wow. didnt expect fantasy to win here. and 3-0??? cmon bisu! Congrats to you fantasy but If I were you I would be wishing by.hero won because there is no chance you are beating jaedong.
And latent lol. did you learn that in your SC class too?
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On March 21 2009 14:48 iLoveKTF wrote:
Wow. didnt expect fantasy to win here. and 3-0??? cmon bisu! Congrats to you fantasy but If I were you I would be wishing by.hero won because there is no chance you are beating jaedong.
And latent lol. did you learn that in your SC class too?
This man speaks truth. Jaedong Ftw.
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
On March 21 2009 14:50 EternaLEnVy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2009 14:48 iLoveKTF wrote:
Wow. didnt expect fantasy to win here. and 3-0??? cmon bisu! Congrats to you fantasy but If I were you I would be wishing by.hero won because there is no chance you are beating jaedong.
And latent lol. did you learn that in your SC class too? This man speaks truth. Jaedong Ftw.
That's his and your truth. Doesn't make it a fact, unless you provide concrete evidence.
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OMG, Everybody was againts Bisu . I remember semifinals of Incruit OSL. Everybody was againts Best when he was going to play with Stork. Jealous is a bad thing !
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Fantasy has a much better chance at beating Jaedong than people are giving him credit for.
ForGG's MSL run, powering up to take out Flash in the semis and then Jaedong in the finals handily and to a lesser extent Mind's breakthrough MSL seem very similar to what is happening now.
I'm not saying he's a favorite, but if someone were willing to offer me 2:1 odds I'd consider it about fair.
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Yay, awesome translation! 
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Have you actually read my posts? Or are you just hopping on the ad hominem bandwagon because you have nothing relevant to say?
Hear me out. You may not realize how little the individual leagues contribute to a team's overall financial health and stability. A team overall doesn't benefit from a player's individual league success, other than being forced to pay him more as he gains popularity. On the other hand their contracts with their sponsors usually involve rewards based on their success in the playoffs.
Why do you think Flash played so well in the proleague, but failed so miserably in the individuals? There was a lot of pressure from his coaches to carry the team through to the playoffs. He had to practice for those matches before he could even begin to worry about the MSL or OSL.
No one in Korea expected Fantasy to get this far, just because of his sub-par play in the Winners League. He was 6-7 in Winners League, with a horrible 6 game losing streak. What's important to note is that the losing streak began February 1. The OSL round of 16 began February 6. The MSL round of 16 began January 31, before his Winners League losing streak, and as it turned out he was ousted very quickly from the MSL. It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots.
I'm not flaming the guy. I love his creative Boxeresque play, as standard Terran is too boring for me to watch. I'm just pointing out something not particularly obvious to the casual viewer.
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you're clueless
starleague success is really good for a team as well and the coaching staff/management is not stupid. or if they are they have oov to explain it to them. fantasy's greatest strength is that hes smart and he prepares well for matches. that style does not serve you well in proleague where you have little preparation and lots of matches vs generic, lesser known players. starleagues are where you can prepare well and where that kind of player truly shines. he does not blow off proleague, he is just not well suited for that. hating him for that while he brings you consecutive silver medals and the recognition that comes with it would be fucking retarded.
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I'm NOT "hating him". I have all the respect in the world for him making it to the OSL finals, especially over Bisu. My point is it's possibly not a coincidence his losing streak in the Winners League started just as he began his OSL round of 16. I know certain players need to prepare a great deal for each match they play. It's why Savior didn't even bother trying to dominate the OSL when he went on his MSL runs, and why he benefitted from a more spaced out schedule. My point is the IMPRESSION on others was that fantasy was dedicating an uneven amount of time towards preparing for his individual league matchups.
And to be fair to other players, everyone benefits from having the time to practice for specific players and matchups. Fantasy's not some sort of alien creature who's different from all his teammates. Flash needs time to prepare for each matchup just like everyone else, which is why I mentioned him falling out of both leagues. And it doesn't matter what oov or other players/coaches say to the other coaches or management. They still want their players to contribute as much as possible to the proleague matchups. They'll always pressure the players to win for the group rather than the individual. Fantasy losing 6 games in the Winners League, for *whatever* reason, is going to result in strong feelings of disappointment from the higher ups.
I also forgot to mention Fantasy has generally done mediocre to below average in all Proleague seasons, not just the Winners League. This includes the seasons where teams had to decide the matchups before their competition started. Fantasy is a guy who has made it to two OSL finals in a row. That's an amazing accomplishment! Think of the very few players who've done such a thing. Did you ever see them failing as miserably as Fantasy has in Proleague? There's a limit to how much you can argue about a person's "style" or "method of preparation".
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Valhalla18444 Posts
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for a familiar phrase from your pal FakeSteve:
Fantasy will win OSL
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On March 21 2009 16:06 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time for a familiar phrase from your pal FakeSteve:
Fantasy will win OSL
Agreed.
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