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zincsterio
119 Posts
 Spear[Shield] has been transferred to Hwaseung Oz from OGN. Oz felt that this would strengthen their Protoss lineup.In my opinion, Hwaseung's Protoss lineup must suck a lot to have to import Spear, whose only notable achievement is knocking  sAviOr out of the MSL a couple of seasons ago. Anyway, isn't Young and BackHo both better than Spear?Source: Wfbrood | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
BackHo is miles better than most Protoss really, only the six dragons are clearly better then he is. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Itachii
Poland12466 Posts
Hopefully he will get better @ OZ. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On March 03 2009 00:19 raga4ka wrote: What happent to BackHO is he not playing enymore ? Had to be in hospital for about a month because of back problems (heh..), such a long time and no practice probably dropped his skill a lot. Such a bad timing as he was just starting to do extremely well in invidual leagues and also was a very nice players for the team. | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On March 02 2009 23:50 zincsterio wrote: Spear[Shield] has been transferred to Hwaseung Oz from OGN. Oz felt that this would strengthen their Protoss lineup.In my opinion, Hwaseung's Protoss lineup must suck a lot to have to import Spear, whose only notable achievement is knocking sAviOr out of the MSL a couple of seasons ago. Anyway, isn't Young and BackHo both better than Spear?Source: Wfbrood Yeah, what the fuck? Spear hasn't even played a TV game since December, and when he did he had horrible PvP/PvT, and mediocre PvZ (I guess?). | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
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meegrean
Thailand7699 Posts
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
On March 03 2009 00:30 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: i expect him to perform as good as shine in ktf .. Yeah I have some inside information, the next player trade is gonna be Clay going to SKT1 | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On March 03 2009 00:39 littlechava wrote: Yeah I have some inside information, the next player trade is gonna be Clay going to SKT1I really hope that's true, SKT keeping up with their tradition of strong Zergs. Spear is only going to make Hwaseung's Protoss lineup weaker, though. What's with these weird player trades that make no sense. Let's get a Protoss, which team should we look at? OGN, of course, duh. | ||
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
i mean for terran they have  Lomo, fOrGG and HiyA who are all good players that deliver in proleaguefor zerg they have.. Jaedong, who team carries in proleaguefor protoss they have Young, and now BackHo is back (but hes probably out of shape) so really that only leaves young for now, it makes sense to recruit someone | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
Chalrenge to compete with for playing time in PL. OGN should trade away Tazza and Horang2 now so I can see Lee Seung Hoon pimp it up every week! | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On March 03 2009 01:06 Shikyo wrote: I really hope that's true, SKT keeping up with their tradition of strong Zergs. Spear is only going to make Hwaseung's Protoss lineup weaker, though. What's with these weird player trades that make no sense. Let's get a Protoss, which team should we look at? OGN, of course, duh. For a very little money they're hoping for a small chance of him becoming something, remember even Flash was bought like this from WeMade before becoming a huge star. They need a protoss and for some reason don't want to buy an already established superstar they really have no other ways of acquiring one but taking a cheap offer from another team or scouting up and coming amateurs and its far easier to buy from another team. | ||
Aesop
Hungary11291 Posts
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EvoChamber
France2505 Posts
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p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
On March 03 2009 01:28 EvoChamber wrote: What a silly move. If you're going to buy a Protoss, buy a dragon or don't buy anything at all, Oz. The dragons aren't going to go anywhere, unless it's for a stupid amount of money, so OZ has to look somewhere for Protoss talent. If I was OZ I would have been trying to get a player like Horang or Tazza instead of Spear, but I'm sure OGN holds them at much higher esteem than Spear and wants to keep them around. Only other option would have been to try out some of STX's second string protoss players like SoO or YoonJoong, but I don't know how open STX is to transferring out their talent. | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On March 03 2009 01:28 EvoChamber wrote: What a silly move. If you're going to buy a Protoss, buy a dragon or don't buy anything at all, Oz. Buying a player that qualifies as a 'dragon' would cost a small fortune right now, especially because they already have binding contracts and can't just hop in to another team because of better salary, you have to pay the team quite a big amount of money to be able to transfer a player. When you think about the current situation of these top protoss players, most of them are from teams that if they'd lose the player they would be helpless, for example Woongjin and STX heavily rely on their protoss player and really it'd hurt them so much to lose those players. The only 'dragon' I can think of being possible for the team to give out is Best, but the team is T1 and with such a big sponsor they probably aren't exactly looking to selling out their players for money, maybe they could trade him away for a zerg though? That'd be awesome, just that OZ really has no other zergs to give out but Jaedong and that would be just silly. The reason they took Spear is probably just because he was offered when Hwaseung contacted the other teams, its not that common that talented players (results or not) are offered to be sold, so when the situation is bad they just have to take what they can. | ||
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Jaeden
Romania1489 Posts
On March 03 2009 02:05 Puosu wrote: Buying a player that qualifies as a 'dragon' would cost a small fortune right now, especially because they already have binding contracts and can't just hop in to another team because of better salary, you have to pay the team quite a big amount of money to be able to transfer a player. When you think about the current situation of these top protoss players, most of them are from teams that if they'd lose the player they would be helpless, for example Woongjin and STX heavily rely on their protoss player and really it'd hurt them so much to lose those players. The only 'dragon' I can think of being possible for the team to give out is Best, but the team is T1 and with such a big sponsor they probably aren't exactly looking to selling out their players for money, maybe they could trade him away for a zerg though? That'd be awesome, just that OZ really has no other zergs to give out but Jaedong and that would be just silly. The reason they took Spear is probably just because he was offered when Hwaseung contacted the other teams, its not that common that talented players (results or not) are offered to be sold, so when the situation is bad they just have to take what they can. Jaedong to SKT1 would be crazy. Just imagine it, SKT which doesn`t have any weakness other than no strong zergs.  | ||
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Ozarugold
2716 Posts
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On March 03 2009 02:18 Ozarugold wrote: Has anyone ever left T1, aside from going to ACE? July, but I don't know if you can even count that as a player left because he was there barely for a few months so he wasn't exactly someone they were dedicated on having. Now that I think about it, what a huge mistake on giving the guy away, just after that he won OSL and (yet again) became a strong zerg to count on winning proleague matches. | ||
NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On March 03 2009 01:23 Puosu wrote: For a very little money they're hoping for a small chance of him becoming something, remember even Flash was bought like this from WeMade before becoming a huge star. Flash was in WeMade before KTF ? Source ? | ||
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CapO
United States1615 Posts
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Pepsicolaone
United States967 Posts
yes. Flash mentioned this many times on interviews | ||
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zobz
Canada2175 Posts
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falls
United States168 Posts
On March 03 2009 09:15 zobz wrote: Maybe they think that if spear was given some tips by lecaf's current toss line then he could grow into something really useful. I dunno what protosses he could've really been mentored by in ogn. OZ doesn't have any protoss players that could really mentor him either, unless Anytime comes back to OZ. Backho and Young both need mentoring as well. | ||
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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Apex
United States7227 Posts
On March 03 2009 09:15 zobz wrote: Maybe they think that if spear was given some tips by lecaf's current toss line then he could grow into something really useful. I dunno what protosses he could've really been mentored by in ogn. Except perhaps zeus hyung I think its more that Oz saw some kind of potential in Spear. It's worth the speculation to grab a player on the odd chance that he might become a star like Flash did for KTF. It's sort of like the MLB when a team trades for prospects. They trade for prospects because they hope that the prospects will become great players in the future. | ||
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dibban
Sweden1279 Posts
On March 03 2009 00:14 justiceknight wrote: they should recruit guemchi so that JD and him can crush bisu easily lold | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On March 03 2009 09:11 Pepsicolaone wrote: yes. Flash mentioned this many times on interviews Found it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=87679 Didnt know that  | ||
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I_L_Jl
United States225 Posts
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On March 03 2009 02:18 Ozarugold wrote: Has anyone ever left T1, aside from going to ACE? Sigamari, ArtofTerran(i think it was him that moved to Hexatron), among others. | ||
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brjdrb
United States577 Posts
as for spear, maybe he's a really good practice partner, but never performs well in competition? or maybe jaedong just needs more flesh to feed upon in order to dominate the osl and oz figured they'd rather buy a new (useless) player than lose one of their own? | ||
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imperfect
Canada1652 Posts
too bad you still have JD and fOrGG and Backho. anyway, yeah who is spear. i never heard of him? | ||
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
On March 03 2009 10:17 thedeadhaji wrote: Sigamari, ArtofTerran(i think it was him that moved to Hexatron), among others. Why did ArtofTerran move to hexatron? I imagine the salary on SKT1 was far superior. | ||
GTR
51454 Posts
On March 03 2009 13:36 Kuja900 wrote: Why did ArtofTerran move to hexatron? I imagine the salary on SKT1 was far superior. ArtOfTerran moved from Samsung to Hexatron. I believe he was referring to kOs (because he wouldn't accept a pay cut so he left and joined eNature/eSTRO, he sucked anyway). | ||
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GTR
51454 Posts
The OGN house is apparently the most strictest of all the gaming teams. Anyone remember Terato? Got transferred to KOR for a nice lump sum to POS, then bam, he gets caught going out and is released. Same went with Casy although he transferred to WeMade rather than get released. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
i think stx and cj are supposed to be the stictest | ||
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GTR
51454 Posts
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Icysoul
Canada254 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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BanZu
United States3329 Posts
On March 03 2009 00:17 Itachii wrote: The only thing I remember about Spear is that he looks like Best, or at least used to.I can also remember watching his fpvod on python, and thats it ~ Hopefully he will get better @ OZ. IMO he doesn't look like best at all. In fact he reminds me of ZerO | ||
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thedeadhaji
39489 Posts
On March 03 2009 14:20 GTR wrote: ArtOfTerran moved from Samsung to Hexatron. I believe he was referring to kOs (because he wouldn't accept a pay cut so he left and joined eNature/eSTRO, he sucked anyway). GTR to the rescue! | ||
AltaiR_
Korea (South)922 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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LunarDestiny
United States4177 Posts
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
He's still a long ways from being what Anytime was though. | ||
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RivetHead
United States842 Posts
On March 03 2009 16:09 thunk wrote: Spear was supposed to be promising, once upon a time. I think. He's won televised games before, right? He's still a long ways from being what Anytime was though. Ya he was kinda promising. But nothing seemed to come of it. I used to watch all his reps from the Barbara amateur starleague thing, back before he went pro. He beat Iris pretty nicely in one televised game, but not much after that looked all that great. | ||
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