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verzisor
Romania73 Posts
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JWD
United States12607 Posts
On March 04 2009 04:56 verzisor wrote: I don't get why so many people view NaDa as the greatest terran player ever... On March 04 2009 04:56 verzisor wrote: NaDa just has a lot of trophies and thats it(more than anyone)... I think you answered your own question? | ||
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verzisor
Romania73 Posts
On March 04 2009 04:57 JWD wrote: I think you answered your own question? Well just having a bunch of trophies doesn't make you the greatest... you have to be creative and change the game in a way or another to be the greatest. | ||
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Puosu
7080 Posts
On March 04 2009 04:56 verzisor wrote: I don't get why so many people view NaDa as the greatest terran player ever...Boxer and oov were much more important to SC and its evolution and they had a much greater impact compared to NaDa... NaDa just has a lot of trophies and thats it(more than anyone)... He doesn't even have top 5 ELO peak....he is only # 8...sure a great thing difficult to achieve, but clearly not the best or greatest. The thing is that he was at the top for such a very very long time, players like Oov and Boxer never really were able to meet the level they once performed at, while NaDa has succesfully came back multiple times to win yet another league and be a top player at proleague. Consistency is a very good word to describe why NaDa is so very respected. | ||
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
On March 04 2009 05:00 verzisor wrote: Well just having a bunch of trophies doesn't make you the greatest... you have to be creative and change the game in a way or another to be the greatest. why even arguing on something so damn subjective.. for example: I think Nada is one of the greatest SC players. | ||
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
Well just having a bunch of trophies doesn't make you the greatest... you have to be creative and change the game in a way or another to be the greatest. And adapting to all these changes made in the game and being a succesful player is hell of impressive too, for me at least. | ||
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Crahptacular
United States295 Posts
On March 04 2009 05:00 verzisor wrote: Well just having a bunch of trophies doesn't make you the greatest... you have to be creative and change the game in a way or another to be the greatest. Here, let me redefine "greatest" to fit my own opinion and we'll see where we get in this discussion... | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On March 03 2009 09:58 Smix wrote: 15 kills on that last surviving vulture zerg must have been ripping out his hair in frustration What's more amazing is that this is BEFORE patrol vulture control was invented. So, this was purely attack-move micro. The vulture reaction time is 2x slower without using patrol, yet NaDa could still deal so much damage. | ||
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WhatisProtoss
Korea (South)2325 Posts
On March 04 2009 04:56 verzisor wrote: I don't get why so many people view NaDa as the greatest terran player ever...Boxer and oov were much more important to SC and its evolution and they had a much greater impact compared to NaDa... NaDa just has a lot of trophies and thats it(more than anyone)... He doesn't even have top 5 ELO peak....he is only # 8...sure a great thing difficult to achieve, but clearly not the best or greatest. 1. Impact/Revolution on Starcraft Boxer was the most important factor to professional starcraft. Boxer essentially created progaming. However, he is far from being the greatest player in starcraft. Just because you've impacted the game doesn't mean you are the best at the game. For example, who is the BEST at Mutalisk control? JulyZerg? Jaedong? Who INVENTED Mutalisk control? Shark[gm] of MBCGame did. But, we always regard JulyZerg and Jaedong as far superior and successful than Shark, obviously. And, it's not like NaDa sat back, letting other people change the game. NaDa wowed everyone with his beastly macro. He was called, "1 Expansion NaDa" for a good reason: If NaDa was allowed to take his natural, he would most likely win the game. Remember Tornado Terran? Commentators would yell "toong toong", for the sound of unsieged tanks. He didn't even have to siege his tanks against protoss, once he macroed up to 200/200. 2. Ranking System ELO rankings actually mean shit. NaDa won all the important games, and clinched the titles. Sure, he lost many titles too, but if you didn't know, ELO points gained from winning the OSL Finals is no different from ELO points gained from winning a measly challenger tournament game. NaDa has the highest KESPA rating ever achieved before it was rescaled. NaDa won the most OSL and MSL crowns combined. Please. Boxer? | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On March 04 2009 05:54 WhatisProtoss wrote: For example, who is the BEST at Mutalisk control? JulyZerg? Jaedong? Who INVENTED Mutalisk control? Shark[gm] of MBCGame did. But, we always regard JulyZerg and Jaedong as far superior and successful than Shark, obviously. Shark reputedly discovered the overlord grouping technique, but I'm pretty sure that this discovery came after July had already been raping people right and left with his mutas. I don't even remember seeing or hearing of the overlord technique until late 2005 or perhaps 2006. | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
It's pointless and stupid to talk about who is the best Starcraft player ever due to subjectivism, but Nada is definitely one of the candidates if such a title exists. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On March 04 2009 04:56 verzisor wrote: I don't get why so many people view NaDa as the greatest terran player ever...Boxer and oov were much more important to SC and its evolution and they had a much greater impact compared to NaDa... NaDa just has a lot of trophies and thats it(more than anyone)... He doesn't even have top 5 ELO peak....he is only # 8...sure a great thing difficult to achieve, but clearly not the best or greatest. its obvious you dont get it.. you seem to know little about the game and you posted a lot of untrue and flawed stuff.. And how are u even sure that OOv had a greater impact ? How was he more important ? Did you pull that idea out of your ass !? -.- | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On March 04 2009 04:56 verzisor wrote: I don't get why so many people view NaDa as the greatest terran player ever...Boxer and oov were much more important to SC and its evolution and they had a much greater impact compared to NaDa... NaDa just has a lot of trophies and thats it(more than anyone)... He doesn't even have top 5 ELO peak....he is only # 8...sure a great thing difficult to achieve, but clearly not the best or greatest. Who has been playing successfully for as long as NaDa?... You tell me. | ||
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
On March 04 2009 12:13 Kacas wrote: july xD iirc july hit the scene in '04, nada's been around since the 2nd KPGA tour and there have been plenty of times when july has looked far over the hill (right before he won his 3rd OSL comes to mind) | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On March 04 2009 04:56 verzisor wrote: 1) Elo PeaksI don't get why so many people view NaDa as the greatest terran player ever...Boxer and oov were much more important to SC and its evolution and they had a much greater impact compared to NaDa... NaDa just has a lot of trophies and thats it(more than anyone)... He doesn't even have top 5 ELO peak....he is only # 8...sure a great thing difficult to achieve, but clearly not the best or greatest. Elo peaks are subject to inflation over time, thus the peaks become progressively easier to break over time. They are basically incapable of comparing how skilled players were back then to how skilled they are now, its just impossible. It does give a ranking of who is good at the moment though. 2) Nada is as important, if not more important than Boxer and Oov Nada developed/pioneered - Vulture harass TvP - Torando terran TvP - The first steps towards a macro style TvP - SK Terran - Developed TvT - APM whoring Nada was the first golden mouse winner Nada was the first person to win three MSLs Nada won all three OSLs in very distinct periods Nada can never be counted out - 7 years on he is still making Ro8 of League | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On March 04 2009 06:42 Mindcrime wrote: Shark reputedly discovered the overlord grouping technique, but I'm pretty sure that this discovery came after July had already been raping people right and left with his mutas. I don't even remember seeing or hearing of the overlord technique until late 2005 or perhaps 2006. you can do muta micro without overlord grouping, its just not as powerful or easy. im not sure if you can use hold position and patrol without the ovie, might just have to right click on targets | ||
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deus_073
Romania187 Posts
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EsX_Raptor
United States2802 Posts
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