EPTBeing able to beat a progamer, and being able to make it as a progamer are two very different things. It's understandable for Idra to be irrate at the comparisons that have been made even if Mondragon has achieved more as an amateur, although it seems he's been getting into fights a lot no matter what the topic lately. Makes you wonder if being in such intense competition in a foreign country with a lot of expectations makes you more irritable than usual.
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Being able to beat a progamer, and being able to make it as a progamer are two very different things. It's understandable for Idra to be irrate at the comparisons that have been made even if Mondragon has achieved more as an amateur, although it seems he's been getting into fights a lot no matter what the topic lately. Makes you wonder if being in such intense competition in a foreign country with a lot of expectations makes you more irritable than usual. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On February 05 2009 02:52 Letmelose wrote: What makes people so sure that Idra's goal is to overtake Mondragon as a player? Mondragon is a very talented amateur player, and has been for a long time, but with the choices he made, he will be just that. A very skilled amateur player. Idra better be looking to achieve higher things than being remembered more than an amateur player, because it's the kids in Korea spending all their youth to become the next big thing in progaming he's competiting against. I'm not sure about you, but if I'm dedicated enough to be willing to do that, I wouldn't like to be compared to, or told that I'm inferior to some amateur player, no matter how talented he is. Being able to beat a progamer, and being able to make it as a progamer are two very different things. It's understandable for Idra to be irrate at the comparisons that have been made even if Mondragon has achieved more as an amateur, although it seems he's been getting into fights a lot no matter what the topic lately. Makes you wonder if being in such intense competition in a foreign country with a lot of expectations makes you more irritable than usual. U implicitly say what everybody knows. Combining your key sentences into a question it goes like this: If you dedicated your youth to trying to make it as a progamer and people come along to tell you that amateur gamer X is still better and has accomplished more than you have and you think there is absolutely no merit to their words, would you be provoked into a fight with them? If your really convinced youre gonna make it, will you verbally bash on everyone who thinks otherwise or just stfu and focus on your goal? Everybody knows the answers to these question and thus, everybody knows what is really going on with Idra. | ||
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
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koreasilver
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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NovaTheFeared
United States7230 Posts
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Rice
United States1332 Posts
On February 05 2009 03:27 NovaTheFeared wrote: And more importantly, when will you accomplish as much as Nony who came after you but has done more? do you honestly expet him to answer you? what was the point of even asking a mocking question like that | ||
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Pads
England3228 Posts
On February 05 2009 03:27 NovaTheFeared wrote: And more importantly, when will you accomplish as much as Nony who came after you but has done more? I like to think joining CJ was a bigger achievement than coming 2nd in courage. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
On February 05 2009 03:10 koreasilver wrote: I'm fairly certain that idra will beat mondi if it came down to a series. I would be very surprised if he would not. Mondi is great and all, but I don´t like the Idra hating going on here. Korean TvZ is on another level, more so than any other matchup, since many years already. Ret said it best and Phil also gave some nice comments. I still wish Idra the very best for his future in progaming. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 05 2009 03:27 NovaTheFeared wrote: And more importantly, when will you accomplish as much as Nony who came after you but has done more? i certainly wish i was intelligent enough to have chosen protoss on troy in wcg or to take a long time to lose in the easiest courage group ever formed | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
or theyre aware that theyre terrible so theyll take any risk available to jew out a win | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
On February 05 2009 09:59 IdrA wrote: foreign p's dont care if they lose or theyre aware that theyre terrible so theyll take any risk available to jew out a win I wouldn't argue in particular that foreign P's are good, but are foreign Zergs and Terrans really a lot better than the foreign Tosses? I don't feel that this is true, although I know less than you do on the matter. | ||
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
On February 04 2009 20:07 HanN00b wrote: Ya its my translation. You can recognize it by my bad english  . Well I think its still far better than google translate .He has no reason to be afraid of them. If he is in shape he will clearly beat Nony and Idra has never been a match for him. People might just think Nony is better because at Nonys best time Mondragon had his worst period of all time caused by the beginning of his studies. A Mondragon would have won the TSL. In his best time he used to eat korean b team members too. He is definitely the most talented foreigner who did not go to Korea and I think the most talented foreign zerg player. Thanx for the translation, but the rest of your post is pure utter crap. 1: Mondragon in shape would have won the TSL, sure, didnt he get knocked out in RO16? 2: If we go by your words, mondragon has been studying, busy, whatever excuse for the last 6 years or so. 3: To say that mondragon is definitely the most talented foreigner who did not go to Korea is again german fanboism. Slayer was twice as talented as mondragon, Sen is/was just as talented, there might be more as well, who knows. 4: If I was in shape, or if this and if that, you cant go down that road, either things are or they arent. Its basically as valid as the usual teamliquid claim. "Im like 15-5 d+, if I only played enough I could get to B easy, In his best time, as in the time where zvp was so easy it almost wasnt fun, sure he could kill some korean protosses, but got owned vs the terrans and zergs. Mondragon is indeed one of the best players, and has been, but your claims are just a result of the fact that your clearly a mondragon fan. | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
 Great interview, thank you. | ||
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Dazed.
Canada3301 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 05 2009 10:06 Ancestral wrote: I wouldn't argue in particular that foreign P's are good, but are foreign Zergs and Terrans really a lot better than the foreign Tosses? I don't feel that this is true, although I know less than you do on the matter. no everyone outside korea is terrible, its just protoss has more options to win without being good. thats why besides a few rare exceptions all 'good' foreigners are p now. i was comparing foreign p's to korean p's, not foreign p's to other foreigners. | ||
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MuR)Ernu
Finland768 Posts
On February 05 2009 10:21 IdrA wrote: no everyone outside korea is terrible, its just protoss has more options to win without being good. thats why besides a few rare exceptions all 'good' foreigners are p now. i was comparing foreign p's to korean p's, not foreign p's to other foreigners. Do korean P's play more like a "real" race then? Do they use less "shortcuts" and shit, and actually practice mechanics and stuff :p Also do koreans often think of protoss as the ezmode race? | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
*Puts people down* *Walks out* -- Satisfaction. A job well done. My sense of self worth is now inflated. -- | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On February 05 2009 10:25 MuR)Ernu wrote: Do korean P's play more like a "real" race then? Do they use less "shortcuts" and shit, and actually practice mechanics and stuff :p Also do koreans often think of protoss as the ezmode race? the good korean p's play more straight up, the ones you see on tv and stuff. (for the most part) alot of the new ones are horrible and cheesy though. the talent pool is kinda getting exhausted, the legitly good new players are few and far between. i dont know what the general opinion is, but my z and t teammates at least joke about how p is easy. i dont know how serious they are. | ||
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