EPTMYM apparently decided to get rid of SC and WC3 sections of their team. This is really sad news T.T
MYM Sad news..
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DragoonPK
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MYM apparently decided to get rid of SC and WC3 sections of their team. This is really sad news T.T
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
New tag: LYM (Less of Your Money) | ||
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midou
Bulgaria1168 Posts
The only thing I heard is that Moon got offered $16k a month from KTF. | ||
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ScoutWBF
Germany602 Posts
SC lives on money. | ||
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:02 midou wrote: Ye I was going to post that too.. like WTF!?!? The only thing I heard is that Moon got offered $16k a month from KTF. Would be exciting to see moon playing SC for proteam. Freedom did it perhaps moon has chances too. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:09 Too_MuchZerg wrote: Would be exciting to see moon playing SC for proteam. Freedom did it perhaps moon has chances too. lol at this.. Not exactly weird their downsizing - but strange considering how amazing their W3 team was | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
At least it would if SC2 wasn't coming! | ||
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H
New Zealand6138 Posts
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JudgeMathis
Cuba1286 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:14 H wrote: Interesting. I wonder where the players will end up. | ||
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Snare
Trinidad/Tobago129 Posts
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Kennelie
United States2296 Posts
16k a month. I wonder what his decision will be. | ||
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Kennelie
United States2296 Posts
Well I know for sure mym.yoon won't be active in bw atm. He said he was going to cut out on much of playing since he is in school in australia but I haven't spoken to him in about 2-3 weeks. | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
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The.Crow
619 Posts
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ixion
Sweden81 Posts
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lxginverse
Monaco1506 Posts
this is a big loss to the foreign e-sports scene IMO | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
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Dgtl
Canada889 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:34 IdrA wrote: that'll make the sc2 beta team-forming frenzy alot more interesting Be honest, do you think the foreigners stand a chance against Koreans in the sc2 frenzy? I mean, the korean teams already have established training centers and the obvious professionality, I doubt foreigners can really match that. On January 29 2009 23:39 zulu_nation8 wrote: why would they get rid of war3 before dota wtf | ||
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ixion
Sweden81 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:39 zulu_nation8 wrote: why would they get rid of war3 before dota thats insane.. and stupid. | ||
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:35 Dgtl wrote: Most of these players will probably not retire, they will probably just play less competitive SC then they used. What really bugs me though is that they took down WC3 and SC but left WoW. Like wtf... omg such fail. actually i understand why they cut sc (no money in that) but wc3 with grubby and moon? left WoW? | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:41 Puosu wrote: Be honest, do you think the foreigners stand a chance against Koreans in the sc2 frenzy? I mean, the korean teams already have established training centers and the obvious professionality, I doubt foreigners can really match that. you kidding? foreigners are gonna rape the piss out of sc2. the korean system will not work at all for a game like sc2 (at least the direction it is headed), especially not at first. the reason theyre dominant is because they practice 12 hours a day and have build orders for every situation memorized. of course there will be the smart and creative ones like boxer and ra who do well, but in general progamers are good starcraft players, not good rts players. unless they make sc2 as mechanically rigorous as sc the koreans will not be dominant for at least a couple of years. | ||
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Showtime!
Canada2938 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:45 zulu_nation8 wrote: wtf what you guys think mym dota generates more revenue than mym war3? No, it was the bloody salaries. What Idra said. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
Don't blame the economy for this either: the current state of the economy only highlights which companies that are run poorly and inefficient. MYM would had folded anyway; the current state of the economy just sped up the process a bit. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:50 Showtime! wrote: No, it was the bloody salaries. What Idra said. o ok im dumb, but kick mym.dota too, russians need to dominate again | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:54 zulu_nation8 wrote: o ok im dumb, but kick mym.dota too, russians need to dominate again Why would they kick their Dota team that cost them almost nothing. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
Most impressive news last year was: MYM paid 100 000$ annual salary to Moon. imo this is a bad news, bad also a good news | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Anyway, it is a disaster for foreign bw scene | ||
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
If you asking someone for a CS team. He will answer mibr, sk or mouz, mtw and after these teams MYM. And to change an image from a RTS team to a fps team needs time. Maybe the WC3 was too expensive. WC3 is dieing harder than SC. So this might be understandable. But why kick an almost for free (in comparison to cs/wc3) sc team with sc2 coming up. As I said its not easy to change an image it would be easier to wait for SC2 to rock foreign esport and stick with cs, dota and sc. | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:07 LemOn wrote: This is simply a failure of their business model. I understand SC which doesn't bring almost any revenue in, but letting w3 team go just because they set up too high contracts is fucked up. Anyway, it is a disaster for foreign bw scene no it isnt lol its not like in korea where theyd be playing on tv and stuff and now all of a sudden they arent. All it was is a team dying. It happens and has happened all the time to all the money teams in bw. Theyll all join new teams and mym will be forgotten. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:10 Sadist wrote: no it isnt lol its not like in korea where theyd be playing on tv and stuff and now all of a sudden they arent. All it was is a team dying. It happens and has happened all the time to all the money teams in bw. Theyll all join new teams and mym will be forgotten. I like your optimism Sadist  The reason why this seems horrible for me was MyM being the only sponsored team that really lasted, and you knew even with the problems they had like with chinese players that they would not go under or lose interest. Just look at how many sponsored multigaming teams took bw squad only to release it 3-8 months later for some stupid reason. It is going to be very hard to find a stable sponsored team like MyM... | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:16 LemOn wrote: I like your optimism Sadist The reason why this seems horrible for me was MyM being the only sponsored team that really lasted, and you knew even with the problems they had like with chinese players that they would not go under or lose interest. Just look at how many sponsored multigaming teams took bw squad only to release it 3-8 months later for some stupid reason. It is going to be very hard to find a stable sponsored team like MyM... what im saying Is I dont see why its relevant whether they are sponsored or stable because its not like there are an abundance of tournaments out there that people need to travel to or anything. | ||
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:10 Sadist wrote: no it isnt lol its not like in korea where theyd be playing on tv and stuff and now all of a sudden they arent. All it was is a team dying. It happens and has happened all the time to all the money teams in bw. Theyll all join new teams and mym will be forgotten. You cant really compare mym to the average money-team that enters the scene a couple of months and then disbands though. The team has been around for more than 3 years now. Thats as long as pG - a team that were also sponsoring their players with free trips to LANs(no salaries though). | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
that was kinda his point | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:48 IdrA wrote: you kidding? foreigners are gonna rape the piss out of sc2. the korean system will not work at all for a game like sc2 (at least the direction it is headed), especially not at first. the reason theyre dominant is because they practice 12 hours a day and have build orders for every situation memorized. of course there will be the smart and creative ones like boxer and ra who do well, but in general progamers are good starcraft players, not good rts players. unless they make sc2 as mechanically rigorous as sc the koreans will not be dominant for at least a couple of years. Last time you posted on the progamer time investment issue (Boxer/Savior interview) you said that apart from a couple of extremes like jaedong progmers in general don't practice nearly as much as we usually think? | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
the teams still force them to practice 12 hours a day, but most goof off as much as possible beyond that. its the rare few who would rather practice than do almost anything else, giving up free time and what not. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:30 IdrA wrote: no i said most arent as dedicated as people think the teams still force them to practice 12 hours a day, but most goof off as much as possible beyond that. its the rare few who would rather practice than do almost anything else, giving up free time and what not. So the majority of them _do_ play starcraft and nothing but starcraft for 12 hours every day? That's fairly dedicated to me ~~ | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
or you could read what i said whichever | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:07 LemOn wrote: This is simply a failure of their business model. I understand SC which doesn't bring almost any revenue in, but letting w3 team go just because they set up too high contracts is fucked up. Anyway, it is a disaster for foreign bw scene I agree with this their structure was not very smart. You cannot pay someone that much for playing a game. 100k in a year? please. | ||
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SlickR12345
Macedonia408 Posts
not a big deal really, its just that there are not so many tournaments for SC outside of korea and even less for WC3. Not to mention that no one actually watches WC3 matches, except mauby final of blizzcon. Yhough with SC2 on the horizon, i'm sure they will adopt it when it comes out. | ||
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Splunge
Germany925 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:25 IdrA wrote: and pg died and the foreign scene went on just fine that was kinda his point Yeah I agree about the part that this isnt "disaster" or something like that, but its definitely newsworthy. It was the "It is just a team dying, who cares" attitude that made me react, as this isnt the occasional random "money-team", but one of the major teams in the history of the foreign scene. I dont think anyone wants a monopoly like after pG, and before mYm where all the good players are in ToT, because it kills competition. Chances are many of the the former mYm members are going to join ToT now though. | ||
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2945 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:12 Piy wrote: lol at this.. Not exactly weird their downsizing - but strange considering how amazing their W3 team was Exactly, that's what schocked me the most. Their Wc3 is and has been TEH SHIT for years and years now. I though at least they would stay solid for years to come. I'm really baffled tbh. | ||
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Mista
Singapore1022 Posts
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
Mark Peter Fries, COO ESNation AS: "We are in no financial problems what-so-ever and none of our investors have backed out, actually its the opposite way around that 2 months ago we have settled our 3rd investment round and that is signed and sealed and all we do is fitting ourselves to the market. That we lay off people and fire teams is matter of having focus on what we are best at and that we deem the worldwide situation to chaotic to continue the teams as they are. Now that may be a good or bad decision, but I am here to make sure our investors, shareholders (I am one myself) are having a sustainable business, that will live on past whatever the world looks like." | ||
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:14 Puosu wrote: Like said before, SC scene will out live the WC3 scene.. really seems like thats happening. At least it would if SC2 wasn't coming! erm... given that the SC and Wc3 squads of MYM were disbanded I think they're about the same as they were before | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
you guys should know what esport does mean, yeah it's a game, but not just a game. visit some proteam in Korea or maybe China, then you'll find out in a real proteam, they live togother, train together, eat together, EVERYDAY, that's called "proteam", that's esport that's why imo there is no country who can reach Korea at Esport.... because simply one thing: train 12h per day, that's not possible in our countrys | ||
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Medix
Malaysia180 Posts
so what teams are they going to join now? | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
just, wow fuck moon, come to sc plz, you are fucking awesome | ||
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MasterReY
Germany2708 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:34 IdrA wrote: that'll make the sc2 beta team-forming frenzy alot more interesting lollll i forgot about that | ||
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Medix
Malaysia180 Posts
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Yaqoob
Canada3325 Posts
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Medix
Malaysia180 Posts
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Mista
Singapore1022 Posts
On January 30 2009 01:12 MrHoon wrote: this is probably one of the most shocking news of the foreign scene I've ever heard >.> just, wow fuck moon, come to sc plz, you are fucking awesome Rumours are floating around that he's joining WeMadeFOX. gosugamers.net | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:38 KlaCkoN wrote: So the majority of them _do_ play starcraft and nothing but starcraft for 12 hours every day? That's fairly dedicated to me ~~ Selective reading. | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On January 30 2009 01:12 MrHoon wrote: this is probably one of the most shocking news of the foreign scene I've ever heard >.> just, wow fuck moon, come to sc plz, you are fucking awesome No worries about Moon, he is just too good and popular... not sure about grubby | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
And SW was such a great team. Bring them and rS back | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On January 30 2009 02:05 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote: Moon + Fox means that he might join brood war ? if my memory is right, fox had wc3 team before | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
Grubby will be picked up soon enough also, he is way too popular and too good to be without a team for long. | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Moon was in Pantech before as an only WC3 player. | ||
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ZhenMiChan
Netherlands1181 Posts
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deathgodtoss
Korea (North)189 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
source:w3.replays.net | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
On January 30 2009 02:06 emucxg wrote: if my memory is right, fox had wc3 team before what players are in fox wc3 team? cant find in site o.o On January 29 2009 23:34 IdrA wrote: you kidding? foreigners are gonna rape the piss out of sc2. the korean system will not work at all for a game like sc2 (at least the direction it is headed), especially not at first. the reason theyre dominant is because they practice 12 hours a day and have build orders for every situation memorized. of course there will be the smart and creative ones like boxer and ra who do well, but in general progamers are good starcraft players, not good rts players. unless they make sc2 as mechanically rigorous as sc the koreans will not be dominant for at least a couple of years. nah, korea wasnt dominant is bw before boxer of course it was an age where esports almost were inexistent but.... | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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deathgodtoss
Korea (North)189 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:34 IdrA wrote: you kidding? foreigners are gonna rape the piss out of sc2. the korean system will not work at all for a game like sc2 (at least the direction it is headed), especially not at first. the reason theyre dominant is because they practice 12 hours a day and have build orders for every situation memorized. of course there will be the smart and creative ones like boxer and ra who do well, but in general progamers are good starcraft players, not good rts players. unless they make sc2 as mechanically rigorous as sc the koreans will not be dominant for at least a couple of years. since when was sc not a rts game?? so ur saying if someone is good at fuckin C&C series, they will be better than korean pro sc players on sc2? mebbe ur just bitter idra | ||
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LemOn
United Kingdom8629 Posts
On January 30 2009 02:17 deathgodtoss wrote: since when was sc not a rts game?? so ur saying if someone is good at fuckin C&C series, they will be better than korean pro sc players on sc2? mebbe ur just bitter idra Well Idra has a point there. It takes different skills to be a pro in Starcraft than in C&C because of the mechanics. When SC came out and strategies were invented on the run than the creative players that improvised every game and always tried new things destroyed those who practiced hard but just followed their innefective BO's. The replay function from start may make the development stage faster in SC2, but there still will be a period of time when creativity and strategies will own mechanics. And maybe you will think I am generalising here, but the world has more creative talent than korea. + Show Spoiler + Jesus I am actually defending Idra in a potential flame war. Shame on me. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
I do think foreign BW is dying. No tournaments, no TSL2, nothing to play for, it's really boring atm. 2008 was a good for year for SC, but 2009 things look grimm. All that's left to play for is the love for the game. >_> sc2 soon hopefully! | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
On January 30 2009 02:24 LemOn wrote: Well Idra has a point there. It takes different skills to be a pro in Starcraft than in C&C because of the mechanics. When SC came out and strategies were invented on the run than the creative players that improvised every game and always tried new things destroyed those who practiced hard but just followed their innefective BO's. The replay function from start may make the development stage faster in SC2, but there still will be a period of time when creativity and strategies will own mechanics. And maybe you will think I am generalising here, but the world has more creative talent than korea. + Show Spoiler + Jesus I am actually defending Idra in a potential flame war. Shame on me. maybe i am wrong, but the sport should benefit the one who trains more | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
I hope they will still stay around cause I really like to see some of them play :\ | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
Take soccer for an example; the EPL is the best league in the world but teams from Italy, Spain etc can still compete. Korea will still be number 1, but American, European and especially the Chinese top players will be able to compete more than they were able to in original Starcraft. That is a good thing, if you want Esports to grow and become more popular, having one country dominate as much as Korea have done in the last decade isn't good for Esports internationally. | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
On January 30 2009 02:36 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote: maybe i am wrong, but the sport should benefit the one who trains more not if they are brainless and just copy what other people do. Putting hours upon hours into something doesnt mean you should be able to reach the highest of peaks. Obviously you get to a certain point...but after that talent and ability should take over. Its hard with bw since natural ability is hard to quantify. Its not like other sports where a person is just naturally fast or has naturally good hand/foot eye coordination etc. | ||
Xeofreestyler
Belgium6771 Posts
On January 30 2009 02:36 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote: maybe i am wrong, but the sport should benefit the one who trains more No. The sport should benefit the one that combines creativity with practice. | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
like for example: JaeDong said once, paying attention to protoss casters to deduce the amount of psi storms left. | ||
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Lq_ fAn
Lithuania154 Posts
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
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yejin
France493 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:14 Puosu wrote: Like said before, SC scene will out live the WC3 scene.. really seems like thats happening. At least it would if SC2 wasn't coming! Wait, what SC scene ? | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
I mean the korean one, not foreign. And I'm so surprised about IdrA's take on SC2, I'm not disappointed at all though. | ||
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ixion
Sweden81 Posts
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Woyn
United Kingdom1628 Posts
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On January 30 2009 03:15 ixion wrote: WC3 is the best game ever.. go WeMade Fox! make Wc3 squad with FoV, Moon, Susi, Lucipho! I doubt they're creating an actual team, at least last time they had Moon he was alone. The scene is not probably that interesting to them when they have the huge SC team. | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
I don't see this effecting either communities too much. It is worse for the international scene. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
you know, the one with broadcast companies, rich sponsors, big fanbase and 6 figures a year contracts. Yeah this one. | ||
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ilovehnk
475 Posts
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hazz
United Kingdom570 Posts
In warcraft 3 at least, the top korean players are not unique compared to the other players from around the world - I feel that this is how starcraft 2 will turn out. South Korea will probably have more pro gamers than other countries because of their acceptance of eSports, and Starcraft 2 being the sequel to "their" game, however there will not be such a staggering disparity between the number of top korean players and foreigners as there is with brood war my 2 cents | ||
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yejin
France493 Posts
On January 30 2009 03:21 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: you know, the one with broadcast companies, rich sponsors, big fanbase and 6 figures a year contracts. Yeah this one. You mean, rich sponsors in 1 country, big fanbase in... 1 country, and 6 figures a (3) years contract in 1 country. I mean, WC3 had more than 100 (one hundred) major international tournaments over the 3 last years, it's one tournament every ten day. In China, in Germany, in South-Korea, in the United States, in France, in Sweden, in Russia etc. Starcraft has the most interesting pro-scene in South-Korea, especially the contracts, the players exchange etc, but regarding tournaments and money, WC3 was and is huge. | ||
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
On January 30 2009 03:28 Hazz wrote: korea won't be dominant in SC2, because there is nothing different from being South Korean and being born in another country. There is no innate natural advantage of being South Korean when it comes to starcraft - this is a prime example of nurture over nature - social perception and future prospects are relatively better than all other countries, and they are the only country with a proper eSports scene In warcraft 3 at least, the top korean players are not unique compared to the other players from around the world - I feel that this is how starcraft 2 will turn out. South Korea will probably have more pro gamers than other countries because of their acceptance of eSports, and Starcraft 2 being the sequel to "their" game, however there will not be such a staggering disparity between the number of top korean players and foreigners as there is with brood war my 2 cents I do agree with this, but I think that there will be more korean pros in SC2 than there are in WC3 comparatively. I also don't think that there will be nearly as many bonjwa's in SC2 as there have been in SC, due to the fact that with macro's importance lowered by a huge margin, the amount of people able to turn pro in SC2 is going to increase a lot more compared to SC and there will be a lot more competitiveness as a result imo. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On January 30 2009 03:31 yejin wrote: You mean, rich sponsors in 1 country, big fanbase in... 1 country, and 6 figures a (3) years contract in 1 country. I mean, WC3 had more than 100 (one hundred) major international tournaments over the 3 last years, it's one tournament every ten day. In China, in Germany, in South-Korea, in the United States, in France, in Sweden, in Russia etc. Starcraft has the most interesting pro-scene in South-Korea, especially the contracts, the players exchange etc, but regarding tournaments and money, WC3 was and is huge. wc3 never became mainstream like sc is in korea, no matter how many tournaments took place last year. It was ALWAYS the same setting : a tournament in china, 2 days of hardcore playing, the same players attending (moon, sky, grubby, lyn), the very same old maps (EI, TR, TS, TM) and a shitty stream with dull chinese commentators. Wc3 had potential but it became boring and eventually died, get over it. Even if it was played on different countries (90% it was in china) it didnt work out that well in the long run. wc3 stopped to be huge when ESL (extreme masters), wc3l, ngl and many top teams lost interest in this game. | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
Will be interesting to see where they all go! | ||
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
It took 3 years for people to love starcraft. Starcraft wasn't something that fell from the sky and everyone just immediately picked up, it was something that we grew up with. The reason why it started as an e-sport is because it was a chance for people who loved the game to get together, then as it got more popular it became a spectator sport. But these days, when I see Starcraft fans inside stadiums they aren't fans of the game, rather fans of the progamers. WC3 didn't pick up because we never gave it a chance. Everyone just "assumed" it would be on the same level as starcraft in terms of a spectator sport. When I see Starcraft 2, I am worried but exhilarated. I am worried we will not give it a chance like we never gave Warcraft 3, but at the same time I am excited that we can once again enjoy starcraft for what it was meant to be in the first place; a game. | ||
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Pioneer
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JudgeMathis
Cuba1286 Posts
On January 30 2009 04:06 Pioneer wrote: Why are they keeping DotA?.. It doesn't cost as much money as having a WC3 team. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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ToRtiLLa
Croatia9 Posts
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On January 30 2009 00:09 HanN00b wrote: MYMs focus had always been on RTS games. So its the wrong decision even if MYM.CS is more popular than MYM.WC3. If you asking someone for a CS team. He will answer mibr, sk or mouz, mtw and after these teams MYM. And to change an image from a RTS team to a fps team needs time. Maybe the WC3 was too expensive. WC3 is dieing harder than SC. So this might be understandable. But why kick an almost for free (in comparison to cs/wc3) sc team with sc2 coming up. As I said its not easy to change an image it would be easier to wait for SC2 to rock foreign esport and stick with cs, dota and sc. Wrong MYM had always CS it started with scandinavian CS teams it had also other shooterteams before. MYM always been shooterteam on first hand ^^. WC3 was the second choice | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On January 30 2009 04:27 ToRtiLLa wrote: I think Testie knows the most While that's a logical conclusion, in this case I am just guessing with the rest of 'em. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On January 30 2009 04:05 MrHoon wrote: Reading the comments here makes me remember something Boxer once said God this man is such a genius. He should write a book. (Another one) | ||
GTR
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HanN00b
Germany1441 Posts
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
Hopefully MYM will be able to remake their SC section for sc2 maybe | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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Amarxist
United States371 Posts
On January 30 2009 04:05 MrHoon wrote: Reading the comments here makes me remember something Boxer once said I find Boxer to be a profound and interesting individual. He knows how to articulate himself well. He sounds like a person you could have a solid conversation with. | ||
thedeadhaji
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liger13
United States1060 Posts
On January 30 2009 05:16 {88}iNcontroL wrote: ironically the SCBW squad for MYM met its maker.. ^_^ lol... sad though ... | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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ixion
Sweden81 Posts
On January 30 2009 04:15 MYM.Testie wrote: more popular / less costly I would assume. more popular? HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH... ur kidding.. dota more popular then wc3? get out of here no but seriously, dota is NOT more popular then wc3. Wc3 is the best game together with SC so no. Less costly = yes. Dota players don't demand any high salaries at all | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
With a low cost and decent popularity, it's ok to keep and not to cut. Who cares what you think the best game is? Dota is played by far more people. For instance on GGC: This is the number of people playing dota right now. (Basically, you can maybe take off 5,000 of these max)? 124,320 Here are the number of people playing WC3 right now 4,200 | ||
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a-game
Canada5085 Posts
btw this is sad news for the SC scene, mym were kind of corporate as opposed to grassroots like TL but the foreign SC scene needed every dollar it could get | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:26 SchOOl_VicTIm wrote: This is terrible news for SC =/ This is terrible TERRIBLE news for SC :D If seriosly, i think it's terrinble news for WC3, not for SC, because they prepare to make SC2 team | ||
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Straylight
Canada706 Posts
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GunsofthePatriots
South Africa991 Posts
On January 30 2009 01:43 emucxg wrote: No worries about Moon, he is just too good and popular... not sure about grubby What? Grubby is probably as good as Moon and has been for a while now. He just beat Moon in WCG 2008! | ||
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TeMiL
Peru545 Posts
maybe MYM is going to safe money to buy a spot in korean proleague ^^ | ||
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Sonu
Canada577 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:34 IdrA wrote: that'll make the sc2 beta team-forming frenzy alot more interesting very true.. but its still sad for the e-sports community.. mYm was a very respected tag | ||
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thunk
United States6233 Posts
On January 30 2009 07:12 TeMiL wrote: both players will survive ^^ maybe MYM is going to safe money to buy a spot in korean proleague ^^ It'd be really cool to have a foreign team in Proleague. Eh, given economy, I guess I'm more surprised I haven't seen more pay teams do the same. I wonder where all the players will go though. | ||
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GGQ
Canada2653 Posts
On January 30 2009 04:05 MrHoon wrote: Reading the comments here makes me remember something Boxer once said Boxer really said that? Man, why is he so awesome? | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On January 30 2009 06:51 Straylight wrote: What's Crow going to do now? He did a lot of coverage for SC / War3 yeah, mym was the best foreign sc coverage site | ||
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mIsUZu
New Zealand528 Posts
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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Orlandu
China2450 Posts
On January 30 2009 05:56 MYM.Testie wrote: It's played by more people by leaps and bounds. It's just not spectator friendly. With a low cost and decent popularity, it's ok to keep and not to cut. Who cares what you think the best game is? Dota is played by far more people. For instance on GGC: This is the number of people playing dota right now. (Basically, you can maybe take off 5,000 of these max)? 124,320 Here are the number of people playing WC3 right now 4,200 Not that I'm supporting Ixion, but WarCraft 3 and DotA aren't mutually exclusive. Many, MANY DotA players are or were heavy WarCraft 3 players. DotA is just much easier and relaxing to play for most people, and it attracts a lot of people who are bad at WarCraft 3, people who just want a break from WarCraft 3, or even people who are wanting to ease their way out of competitive play but not quite quit the game altogether. Of course there are many people who don't fall under those categories (such as yourself for example), but using numbers to show which game is more popular can be quite a bit misleading, especially in the case of DotA and WarCraft 3 where there is such a huge overlap. Most people can't play two games simultaneously. Granted, nowadays DotA should and probably does have a larger player base than WarCraft 3, that really doesn't take into account the large group of people that no longer play either but still watch a lot of WarCraft 3 replays and events. Which, if you're talking purely in terms of popularity, should be accounted for. Aside from that I totally agree with your post, it makes much more sense in my opinion to keep a DotA team as opposed to a WarCraft 3 team. It's much less costly and at this point DotA is looking to last for a bit longer. Even though MYM was always one of the top contendors in WarCraft 3, nowadays team competitions have such low prizes compared to what they paid their players, and individual competitions are always very intense and only Moon and Grubby were really winning anything for MYM, and those were rarely guaranteed victories. Although I think MYM probably shouldn't have ditched their WarCraft 3 team completely (just cut back a bit and maybe lower salaries some), keeping the DotA team was most likely a wise decision. | ||
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KewlBeanZ
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
On January 30 2009 06:51 Straylight wrote: What's Crow going to do now? He did a lot of coverage for SC / War3 Crow covers every game not just SC and WC3. Just because he posts coverage on here doesn't mean he doesn't do coverage for CS or DotA. | ||
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Straylight
Canada706 Posts
On January 30 2009 08:54 zoLo wrote: Crow covers every game not just SC and WC3. Just because he posts coverage on here doesn't mean he doesn't do coverage for CS or DotA. Yeah, I guess my bigger concern is that MYM is really the only site that regularly has video interviews with foreigner SC players and who knows if they'll continue now. | ||
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RoieTRS
United States2569 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
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[X]Ken_D
United States4650 Posts
On January 30 2009 04:05 MrHoon wrote: Reading the comments here makes me remember something Boxer once said Yeah that is sad. Commercializing the game where the biggest groups are those that don't even play the game | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On January 30 2009 15:08 [X]Ken_D wrote: MYM shutting down is their BW team is a bad sign for the future of progaming. The though of SC2 outside of Korea is looking kind of grim right now. lolol | ||
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Sadist
United States7229 Posts
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
99% of companies are downsizing...esports teams getting cut was inevitable. | ||
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CompX
Canada216 Posts
On January 29 2009 22:57 DragoonPK wrote: http://www.mymym.com/en/news/15720.html MYM apparently decided to get rid of SC and WC3 sections of their team. This is really sad news T.T Well at least they are not going to get rid of DotA | ||
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fearus
China2164 Posts
There are far greater number of Dota games being played at any one time than WC3 games. Keep in mind, Dota games have 10 people. There have been numerous cases where people thought Dota was the actual game of WC3 and standard format. | ||
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Kong John
Denmark1020 Posts
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frankbg
Canada335 Posts
Might as well change your name from MYM to CGS v2.0 and pick up a DoA female and male lineup you bunch of clueless managers DotA has no prize money whatsoever, who cares if 10 million people would play it, i've never seen a dota tourney with over 5k prize money. As for WoW ... sure it has 200 billion suscribers ... but its the most boring spectator esport EVER. You lose a player and it's gg ... no comeback possible, no excitement. Fuck MYM. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On January 30 2009 16:56 fearus wrote: There have been numerous cases where people thought Dota was the actual game of WC3 and standard format. So sad... and unfortunately true... | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
That being said the only reason to keep paying the best war3 players would be to keep them under contract for SC2, but I really don't think MYM will have a problem recruiting a team from scratch for SC2 either. Probably a good choice to save the money for now. | ||
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TYL
Philippines116 Posts
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ixion
Sweden81 Posts
On January 30 2009 20:37 frankbg wrote: ... MYM drops SC and WC3 but keep shitty DotA and WoW. Might as well change your name from MYM to CGS v2.0 and pick up a DoA female and male lineup you bunch of clueless managers DotA has no prize money whatsoever, who cares if 10 million people would play it, i've never seen a dota tourney with over 5k prize money. As for WoW ... sure it has 200 billion suscribers ... but its the most boring spectator esport EVER. You lose a player and it's gg ... no comeback possible, no excitement. Fuck MYM. 1+ | ||
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rakue
Philippines7 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/news/9503-sources-place-moon-in-wemade-fox | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On January 30 2009 20:37 frankbg wrote: ... MYM drops SC and WC3 but keep shitty DotA and WoW. Might as well change your name from MYM to CGS v2.0 and pick up a DoA female and male lineup you bunch of clueless managers DotA has no prize money whatsoever, who cares if 10 million people would play it, i've never seen a dota tourney with over 5k prize money. As for WoW ... sure it has 200 billion suscribers ... but its the most boring spectator esport EVER. You lose a player and it's gg ... no comeback possible, no excitement. Fuck MYM. Where did you get that they have a WoW team? ^^ It´s been ages that their WoW squad got released. If one is clueless, it´s you... | ||
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Kot
Australia148 Posts
On January 30 2009 20:37 frankbg wrote: As for WoW ... sure it has 200 billion suscribers ... but its the most boring spectator esport EVER. You lose a player and it's gg ... no comeback possible, no excitement. i dunno, warcraft 3 definitely gives it a run for its money. and wow actually has fighting unlike tpcraft 3. | ||
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L
Canada4732 Posts
If they removed the universal cooldown maybe the pvp wouldn't suck such dick. | ||
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ixion
Sweden81 Posts
On January 30 2009 23:44 rakue wrote: wow looks like moon might play for WeMade. i wonder how his wc3 micro will fair at sc. http://www.gosugamers.net/warcraft/news/9503-sources-place-moon-in-wemade-fox Rumor was denied, cant take him in in february because his contract with MYM ends in february.. but obviously he would play wc3 for WeMade Fox | ||
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Vo-one
Ukraine456 Posts
I don't think that this is so big deal, many teams want to get any of these great players to their roster. So guys won't stay unemployed. | ||
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frankbg
Canada335 Posts
On January 31 2009 00:04 Ilvy wrote: Where did you get that they have a WoW team? ^^ It´s been ages that their WoW squad got released. If one is clueless, it´s you... proves my point about wow being shit, i havent seen ANY news about that and I read 3-4 different esports media sites on an almost daily basis | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On January 31 2009 00:36 Vo-one wrote: White.Ra said that they have some propositions. SC-team want to stay together. Everything will be decided soon. I don't think that this is so big deal, many teams want to get any of these great players to their roster. So guys won't stay unemployed. I can't imagine any team they could go to would be able to support them financially like MYM did. | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On January 31 2009 03:21 Xeris wrote: I can't imagine any team they could go to would be able to support them financially like MYM did. Still better than nothing, ain't it? It's not like they play BW for anything else than the money, so it would seem (prove me wrong that if they don't get a contract, they'd continue playing on a serious level!) | ||
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Dknight
United States5223 Posts
On January 31 2009 03:11 frankbg wrote: proves my point about wow being shit, i havent seen ANY news about that and I read 3-4 different esports media sites on an almost daily basis MYM had picked up Cursed as their WOW team. It didn't work out and in March of 2008, they joined SK Gaming. And now SK just picked up Council of Mages, a Korean team, who won WWI Paris I believe and have another American team as well their European team. It was on the major eSport sites (SK, MYM, and GotFrag) so what sites are you actually following? | ||
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Vo-one
Ukraine456 Posts
On January 31 2009 03:27 Naib wrote: Still better than nothing, ain't it? It's not like they play BW for anything else than the money, so it would seem (prove me wrong that if they don't get a contract, they'd continue playing on a serious level!) Yep. But for today it's better to have something than nothing. If MYM can't support them so i think nobody can. Moment of rethinking has come. Guys want to keep their team-spirit, but only time will show. Anyway i'm sure nobody will stay alone, any of them is too important for Starcraft and i hope nobody will retire because of lack of money coming from gaming. | ||
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bias-
United States410 Posts
it's a bad omen. | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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kNife
Malaysia70 Posts
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
On January 31 2009 00:28 L wrote: wow has 'fighting'. If they removed the universal cooldown maybe the pvp wouldn't suck such dick. that wouldn't make it any better. | ||
Atrioc
United States1865 Posts
On January 31 2009 10:24 tonight wrote: No more ToT vs MYM rivalry ToT wins! | ||
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tonight
United States11130 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On January 31 2009 09:01 Vo-one wrote: There will be enough $$ hopefully (assuming the eco crisis doesn't affect us *too* much) with things like TSL2 and whatnotYep. But for today it's better to have something than nothing. If MYM can't support them so i think nobody can. Moment of rethinking has come. Guys want to keep their team-spirit, but only time will show. Anyway i'm sure nobody will stay alone, any of them is too important for Starcraft and i hope nobody will retire because of lack of money coming from gaming. | ||
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QuanticHawk
United States32055 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 01 2009 10:30 Hawk wrote: On the bright side, talent pool just got a lot deeper for teams that are still around. Nah, the players have said that they will try to stick together and get a new team formed. | ||
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MadNeSs
Denmark1507 Posts
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kNife
Malaysia70 Posts
On February 01 2009 12:55 MadNeSs wrote: How come I always read the topic as 'My Sad news..'. Its weird. LOL..... never GG for MYM | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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Error Ash
Germany177 Posts
On January 29 2009 23:39 zulu_nation8 wrote: why would they get rid of war3 before dota Because DotA is a game with increasing amount of fans and community, while WC3 is dieing slowly. Edit: Also the DotA team is surely a lot cheaper than the WC3 team. Although MYM / ESNation are not in financial problem as they say, they still need to be cost efficient. | ||
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yUse[GRand]
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