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dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-06 06:43:39
January 06 2010 06:41 GMT
#581
The thing is, Flash never truly slumped. Even during the dark age of KTF after Bacchus, Flash was still playing like the S-class that he is. It's just that he was losing all the games that mattered the most, like the double starleagues, but winning all the games that don't really matter, like winning almost all proleague games that he play, but since all of teammates sucked, it didn't matter if he won all the proleague games.

If nothing else, this proves that Flash is an absolute monster with absolute consistency. All it takes for him to destroy starleagues to have reliable teammates to shoulder some of his proleague workloads.
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
January 06 2010 06:43 GMT
#582
Everytime this gets bump, I wish Hot Bid would update his post...
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
January 06 2010 06:45 GMT
#583
On January 06 2010 15:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 15:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On January 06 2010 15:36 dukethegold wrote:
On January 05 2010 08:25 jalstar wrote:
On January 05 2010 04:24 dukethegold wrote:
Flash hit 2400...with 70% win rate after playing 340 matches...

The kid is insane, and to top it off, he is 17 years old! He still got almost a decade worth of gaming left in him. This is insane. O.o

Hot_Bid needs to update the OP. THIS is pretty significant news..

Edit: I found it funny that Boxer is the only "bonjwa" to fail to reach the 2300 peak mark. He is 2 points short. He is just the exception to everything.


BoxeR is the only bonjwa without 4 or more titles as well, while Jaedong is the only non-bonjwa with 4 titles.


Competition way too tough these days. Even 4 titles don't equal "dominance". Even a regular above average A-teamer have what it takes to defeat Jaedong straight up if he prepares well enough. >.>

The only dominate player right now is Flash...and he is currently the only player sitting above 2300. It's just that he's sitting at 2400 instead.

His ELO should lower a bit after Best v.s. Flash...assuming that Best doesn't get booted out of the starleague 0-3.

I seriously doubt Jalstar would touch the idea of Jaedong being a bonjwa.
On topic: I always thought Flash could play consistently at his Bacchus peak last year, but this is just INSANNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Too good, leave the MSL for JD, plz, ok?


look man your guy has 4 titles already, Flash needs the OSL and MSL just to get 3!

They can split MSL and OSL next year so Flash can get his Golden Mouse. >:[

Flash would still have 2 years of rape left after JD's past his titles period.
Jaedong
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-06 07:03:21
January 06 2010 06:59 GMT
#584
On January 06 2010 15:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 15:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 06 2010 15:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On January 06 2010 15:36 dukethegold wrote:
On January 05 2010 08:25 jalstar wrote:
On January 05 2010 04:24 dukethegold wrote:
Flash hit 2400...with 70% win rate after playing 340 matches...

The kid is insane, and to top it off, he is 17 years old! He still got almost a decade worth of gaming left in him. This is insane. O.o

Hot_Bid needs to update the OP. THIS is pretty significant news..

Edit: I found it funny that Boxer is the only "bonjwa" to fail to reach the 2300 peak mark. He is 2 points short. He is just the exception to everything.


BoxeR is the only bonjwa without 4 or more titles as well, while Jaedong is the only non-bonjwa with 4 titles.


Competition way too tough these days. Even 4 titles don't equal "dominance". Even a regular above average A-teamer have what it takes to defeat Jaedong straight up if he prepares well enough. >.>

The only dominate player right now is Flash...and he is currently the only player sitting above 2300. It's just that he's sitting at 2400 instead.

His ELO should lower a bit after Best v.s. Flash...assuming that Best doesn't get booted out of the starleague 0-3.

I seriously doubt Jalstar would touch the idea of Jaedong being a bonjwa.
On topic: I always thought Flash could play consistently at his Bacchus peak last year, but this is just INSANNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Too good, leave the MSL for JD, plz, ok?


look man your guy has 4 titles already, Flash needs the OSL and MSL just to get 3!

They can split MSL and OSL next year so Flash can get his Golden Mouse. >:[

Flash would still have 2 years of rape left after JD's past his titles period.


By then, TurN would have taken over as the #1 Terran after perfecting his macro, while Killer becomes the #1 Zerg after perfecting his micro. The Protoss enters the dark age once again after Movie decides to change career and attend ninja school, Violet injuries his wrist on a Violin, while Stork and Bisu retire to ACE and spend more time bench pressing in the gym with Reach than practicing Starcraft.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 06 2010 07:11 GMT
#585
On January 06 2010 15:59 dukethegold wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2010 15:45 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On January 06 2010 15:41 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 06 2010 15:38 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On January 06 2010 15:36 dukethegold wrote:
On January 05 2010 08:25 jalstar wrote:
On January 05 2010 04:24 dukethegold wrote:
Flash hit 2400...with 70% win rate after playing 340 matches...

The kid is insane, and to top it off, he is 17 years old! He still got almost a decade worth of gaming left in him. This is insane. O.o

Hot_Bid needs to update the OP. THIS is pretty significant news..

Edit: I found it funny that Boxer is the only "bonjwa" to fail to reach the 2300 peak mark. He is 2 points short. He is just the exception to everything.


BoxeR is the only bonjwa without 4 or more titles as well, while Jaedong is the only non-bonjwa with 4 titles.


Competition way too tough these days. Even 4 titles don't equal "dominance". Even a regular above average A-teamer have what it takes to defeat Jaedong straight up if he prepares well enough. >.>

The only dominate player right now is Flash...and he is currently the only player sitting above 2300. It's just that he's sitting at 2400 instead.

His ELO should lower a bit after Best v.s. Flash...assuming that Best doesn't get booted out of the starleague 0-3.

I seriously doubt Jalstar would touch the idea of Jaedong being a bonjwa.
On topic: I always thought Flash could play consistently at his Bacchus peak last year, but this is just INSANNNNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
Too good, leave the MSL for JD, plz, ok?


look man your guy has 4 titles already, Flash needs the OSL and MSL just to get 3!

They can split MSL and OSL next year so Flash can get his Golden Mouse. >:[

Flash would still have 2 years of rape left after JD's past his titles period.


By then, TurN would have taken over as the #1 Terran after perfecting his macro, while Killer becomes the #1 Zerg after perfecting his micro. The Protoss enters the dark age once again after Movie decides to change career and attend ninja school, Violet injuries his wrist on a Violin, while Stork and Bisu retire to ACE and spend more time bench pressing in the gym with Reach than practicing Starcraft.

if SC is still a popular esports.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Shivaz
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1783 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 18:39:15
January 07 2010 18:37 GMT
#586
2409

also kwanro is at his peak right now too lol
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-07 18:45:29
January 07 2010 18:43 GMT
#587
I am not sure what Hot_Bid's opinion on this is, but surely he knows that it is a morally conscious man's duty to update the OP?

I mean, it's not as if a player breaking 2400 for the first time in a decade is not news worthy.
ZerGuy
Profile Joined June 2008
Poland204 Posts
January 07 2010 22:42 GMT
#588
He's not JD or Bisu. He doesn't have a TL fanbase big enough.
Someday ill be pro
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 09 2010 10:15 GMT
#589
Jaedong is about to break savior's vP peak
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 11 2010 11:30 GMT
#590
Jaedong beat Kal in today's PL match so that gets him the highest vP ELO ever.

He now holds both vZ and vP highest ever.
On the other hand Flash has overall and vT highest ever.

Those two are such monsters, its undescribable.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
p4NDemik
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States13896 Posts
January 11 2010 11:40 GMT
#591
Wow, today was a really bad day for sAviOr fans ...
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 11 2010 12:41 GMT
#592
Yeeeeaah, Jaedong's ZvP is about as strong as Flash's TvZ right now. We're almost definitely getting a Flash vs JD MSL finals.

As long as Kwanro doesn't win somehow with all-in ling run-bys. It could happen...
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
Majk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden146 Posts
January 11 2010 12:50 GMT
#593
On January 11 2010 21:41 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeeeeaah, Jaedong's ZvP is about as strong as Flash's TvZ right now. We're almost definitely getting a Flash vs JD MSL finals.

As long as Kwanro doesn't win somehow with all-in ling run-bys. It could happen...


I wouldn't count out Kal from winning over JD just yet.. Just cause JD is able to hydrabust Kal in 1 match doesn't mean he automaticly wins a Bo5 even though he's the favourite...
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 11 2010 12:52 GMT
#594
On January 08 2010 03:43 dukethegold wrote:
I am not sure what Hot_Bid's opinion on this is, but surely he knows that it is a morally conscious man's duty to update the OP?

I mean, it's not as if a player breaking 2400 for the first time in a decade is not news worthy.


It's not his fault other people bump his thread
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 11 2010 13:17 GMT
#595
On January 11 2010 21:50 Majk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 21:41 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeeeeaah, Jaedong's ZvP is about as strong as Flash's TvZ right now. We're almost definitely getting a Flash vs JD MSL finals.

As long as Kwanro doesn't win somehow with all-in ling run-bys. It could happen...


I wouldn't count out Kal from winning over JD just yet.. Just cause JD is able to hydrabust Kal in 1 match doesn't mean he automaticly wins a Bo5 even though he's the favourite...


Well, I was talking more about him having the highest vP Elo peak ever, but it's true that Kal can't be counted out.

Neither can Kwanro, honestly. He's not your average standard Zerg.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
January 11 2010 13:26 GMT
#596
JD gonna go for 2300 elopeak vP after 3-0'ing Kal in MSL, this ain't enough for him!
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 11 2010 14:07 GMT
#597
On January 11 2010 21:41 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeeeeaah, Jaedong's ZvP is about as strong as Flash's TvZ right now. We're almost definitely getting a Flash vs JD MSL finals.

As long as Kwanro doesn't win somehow with all-in ling run-bys. It could happen...


And JD's ZvZ SHOULD be about as strong as flash's TvT, and his ZvT as strong as calm's . Here's what I don't get though. Flash's TvT run, 22-0, is alllmoosstt as impressive as Oov's ZvT run. However, even though flash went 22-0, his TvT elo is 2314. In contrast, Jaedong's best ZvZ win streak is "only" 10 in a row but his ZvZ elo 2341, eclipsing both flash's (and Oov's for that matter) elo peaks. Why is this?
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
January 11 2010 14:13 GMT
#598
On January 11 2010 23:07 Warrior Madness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 21:41 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeeeeaah, Jaedong's ZvP is about as strong as Flash's TvZ right now. We're almost definitely getting a Flash vs JD MSL finals.

As long as Kwanro doesn't win somehow with all-in ling run-bys. It could happen...


And JD's ZvZ SHOULD be about as strong as flash's TvT, and his ZvT as strong as calm's . Here's what I don't get though. Flash's TvT run, 22-0, is alllmoosstt as impressive as Oov's ZvT run. However, even though flash went 22-0, his TvT elo is 2314. In contrast, Jaedong's best ZvZ win streak is "only" 10 in a row but his ZvZ elo 2341, eclipsing both flash's (and Oov's for that matter) elo peaks. Why is this?


Because JD would go like 7-8 ZvZ wins in a row, drop one or two games, and then go on another 7-8 game streak. Over and over. Racks up a ton of Elo without setting any streak records.

Now that Flash's TvT streak has been broken, that's what I expect Flash to probably do from now on in TvT, too. 22 games in a row was surreal if you think about it, that's almost definitely not happening again.
Favorite progamers (in order): Flash, Stork, Violet, Sea. ||| Get better soon, Violet!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 11 2010 14:15 GMT
#599
On January 11 2010 23:07 Warrior Madness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 21:41 Hinanawi wrote:
Yeeeeaah, Jaedong's ZvP is about as strong as Flash's TvZ right now. We're almost definitely getting a Flash vs JD MSL finals.

As long as Kwanro doesn't win somehow with all-in ling run-bys. It could happen...


And JD's ZvZ SHOULD be about as strong as flash's TvT, and his ZvT as strong as calm's . Here's what I don't get though. Flash's TvT run, 22-0, is alllmoosstt as impressive as Oov's ZvT run. However, even though flash went 22-0, his TvT elo is 2314. In contrast, Jaedong's best ZvZ win streak is "only" 10 in a row but his ZvZ elo 2341, eclipsing both flash's (and Oov's for that matter) elo peaks. Why is this?


Because while Jaedong never had a long ZvZ streak, his dominance was so strong that he won like 6-7 in a row and lost one, then won 6-7 in a row again. His JvZ had at one point reached 80% win rate I think.

If zerg players/pro teams hadn't become sick of auto-losing in ZvZ against JD who knows how longer the dominance would have continued.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
HobbitGotGame
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada178 Posts
January 11 2010 14:16 GMT
#600
Maybe it has to do with ZvZ being a more volatile match up? I dunno.
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