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imDerek
United States1944 Posts
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
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AloneInDaBunker
Korea (South)123 Posts
I heard CJ's headcoach (Cho Ghew Nam) sent Savior to team b for a short period of time. This is common practice in every other sports for managers in dealing with their star players who is in slump to motivate them to do better. I personally think that this succeeded in making Savior want to do better, but that it was rather his confidence than his will that lost him matches. Now we see he tried to have Savior in match 3 which is ideal placement to boost a player's confidence if Savior is able to win it to make it 3:0 to become a finisher(hero) for the day. I just feel tremendous effort by the CJ coach to bring Savior back. Savior will be definitely back with this kind of support. | ||
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AloneInDaBunker
Korea (South)123 Posts
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
On December 04 2008 03:54 Hot_Bid wrote: not surprising you think this given that you are a huge FBH fan. acknowledging someone is better than you right now is far different than saying i can never beat him in the future. maybe savior will retire, maybe not. i don't think the turning point is a single interview when he acknowledges that firebathero was better on a particular day. of course FBH was better: he won. is denial and delusional self-confidence a better path? savior said he screwed up the attack like a newbie did. it implies he would've won if he executed better. no excuses, he didn't attack correctly, but its not like he gave up all hope at the countdown. savior had an opportunity to win and he saw that. Savior lost 7 consecutive matches against FBH. Never has he won once. And let's not even mention FBH's gruesome 'Savior-confident-killer' ceremony dances that followed. This is not Savior just acknowledging FBH is a better player than he is. Savior was forced to acknowledge it. He's been broken. This is possibly the worst way of having your confident drowned. Maybe you can't see it, being Team Savior Lovers , but this pattern had been seen before in the likes of our previous heroes such as Garimto and Yell0w.But yes, he can make a comeback. And it will be that much greater. However, the chances of Savior recovering (at least while FBH is still playing) doesn't seem so high. Edit: This interview can be recognized as the turning point because this interview shows us so much what Savior is going through. When you lose a game, there's just no easy way out. To be a contender, you need to mind control yourself by having delusional self-confidence or an excuse for every loss. Especially when you lose 7 games in a row. IMO, Savior, denying to do both, can no longer be a contender for eposrts. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3469 Posts
On December 03 2008 19:35 Hot_Bid wrote: i'm actually optimistic after reading this, the sooner he faces reality about his deficiencies (read: stops watching old vods of himself and starts practicing) the sooner he can start a comeback. in this interview savior showed a lot of pragmatic analysis about his own abilities and showed he's committed to and thinking about improving. all of these are good things. it's going to be a slow process people, if he ever returns to form it certainly won't be overnight. it may seem like this one FBH game is a big deal but it's just one game in the grand scheme of things. I think the main point here is exactly that he dont have to return to form, he has to evolve, saviors slump started when 3 hatch muta into hive was stoped and fast expo from toss became the "normal" so "returning to form" leads to nowhere. If he wants to keep playing starcraft he has to rebuild, from 0 if needed, right now his old good days are just a giant stone on his back. | ||
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Racenilatr
United States2756 Posts
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Sprite
United States1015 Posts
On December 04 2008 05:20 Racenilatr wrote: ooo thats sad.....o well I really think though that its firebathero's overall skill in tvz more then the psychological effects on Savior that made him lose although the micro of that battle was.....im not gonna swear. I will just say its not good I agree with this totally. His TvZ is top tier so no shame losing to him at all. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36369 Posts
On December 04 2008 04:18 FConnectionUK wrote: Savior lost 7 consecutive matches against FBH. Never has he won once. And let's not even mention FBH's gruesome 'Savior-confident-killer' ceremony dances that followed. This is not Savior just acknowledging FBH is a better player than he is. Savior was forced to acknowledge it. He's been broken. This is possibly the worst way of having your confident drowned. Maybe you can't see it, being Team Savior Lovers , but this pattern had been seen before in the likes of our previous heroes such as Garimto and Yell0w.But yes, he can make a comeback. And it will be that much greater. However, the chances of Savior recovering (at least while FBH is still playing) doesn't seem so high. Edit: This interview can be recognized as the turning point because this interview shows us so much what Savior is going through. When you lose a game, there's just no easy way out. To be a contender, you need to mind control yourself by having delusional self-confidence or an excuse for every loss. Especially when you lose 7 games in a row. IMO, Savior, denying to do both, can no longer be a contender for eposrts. my point is this interview and this game is far removed already from the point of no return for savior. you make it seem like he was confident every single time up to this time. this is just the first time he's outwardly said it. i know thats somewhat significant, but imo its better to change up his approach than to continue doing what he did after each of the previous six losses, no? i mean he can't really do worse. if you read my posts about savior in the past year or so, you'll realize i'm the last person to be blinded by false optimism for some miraculous comeback. i was extremely pessimistic watching his qualifier games for the previous msl even though he qualified, and while encouraged by his blizzcon games, have yet to see a standard tv zvt win yet. yes, i'm a huge savior fan, but that does not make me blind. the situation with fbh is obviously not optimal, but i think savior's attitude in this interview is just... different. yes, it's bad to lose your confidence, but what he's been doing hasn't been working. change, any change, at this point is good. maybe it'll lead him to retirement, maybe it'll lead him back to one final run. who knows? but the same old same old wasn't working, so any alternative to me is progress. | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
On December 03 2008 19:19 Orome wrote: thanks for the interview :< | ||
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ramen247
United States1256 Posts
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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il0seonpurpose
Korea (South)5638 Posts
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Megalisk
United States6095 Posts
And if were lucky, he'll do a pelvic thrust right in fbh's face. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
You'll get him someday. =( | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On December 04 2008 07:02 ramen247 wrote: for all you guys thinking fbh would have lost if savior flanked better. thats not ture. fbh has some sick terran micro and i wouldnt be surprised if he fought off a better flank as well. You can't micro your way out of a complete lurk/ling surround. You can't run from it, and lateral movement doesn't help (die to lings). I don't see how focus fire could have saved him if both sides of the attack came at the same time. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 04 2008 07:02 ramen247 wrote: for all you guys thinking fbh would have lost if savior flanked better. thats not ture. fbh has some sick terran micro and i wouldnt be surprised if he fought off a better flank as well. Have you played ZvT? 10 lurkers with ling support rapes that kind of an army easily if you just select all the lurkers and click somewhere to the middle of the clump with them. | ||
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NahLGaE
Korea (South)523 Posts
and i agree that while initially i thought this seemed like a really bad sign from savior in acknowledging his inferiority at the moment that would indicate he has lost a lot of confidence (which is bad since i think you need to have some confidence in yourself to be able to win tough games), but like hot bid said i think its a positive thing that he's trying to think differently and approach this differently because that is definitely what he needs to do. the regular 3 hatch play that he made so popular doesnt work as well anymore and as people in the community are mentioning recently, the standard zerg play has been changing to a 2 hatch offensive build followed by 3rd hatch at expo. i still believe with some work, savior can return to being dominant. what was so great about him back in his prime was above all his game sense and overall strategy/game plan that took into account how to play out and manage the entire game not just the early or mid or late game etc. and thats something that cant exactly be learned (altho i suppose it comes with more practice but only to an extent). that kinda rambled on i think but anyway i guess what im trying to say is that his determination to overcome these problems that he recognizes in his play is a good thing and hopefully it will lead him to adapt his play and his mentality to greater heights. as hot bid said this kind of change could lead to him getting better or on the other end, retiring after a long struggle (which is a scary thought), but it'll be anyone's guess which. | ||
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
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