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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
To nobody's surprise, FBH's hatred is common in TeamLiquid.net. When you combine FBH's great ceremonies and dramatic Savior N00b Bash (Oops! there I said it!), you get TeamLiquid Public Enemy #1.
As a result, everyone who let themselves be blinded by Savior's fanboyism ,or rather pity imo, misses out the greatest entertainment Starcraft can offer.
Even with more regrets, just sadness really, Teamliquid has grand support for pros likes of emo Jaedong and fat buddha July. Especially July...
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
In the other hand, look at FirebatOurHero. TL.netter in MSL selection thread was laughing at the group he was in. Such a pity they would mock. "LOL FBH" "FBH GONNA GET RAPED"
But only if you could just grasp a hint of his charisma...
"First, let me take off my name" calmly the man walks to the right side of the board.
"So many players I like... so many... See? I like this guy, Go.Go (if he replaces his name with GoGo, he would be next to Savior, Savior vs FBH). Then let's take his name off" The crowd goes wild.
"And yet, I'm not THAT desperate for a win." All commentators can do is laugh at his generosity toward Savior.
"Let me take Kim MyungHoon (who was placed next to Much at that moment), and put myself here next to Much[gm]" Right then, the camera captures a glimpse of Much, the author of heart ceremony, smirking quietly in his place.
"Much said before 'sending someone(FBH) to Andromeda (means raping)' was fun. Let me have some of that fun too now. I'll send him to Andromeda"
"Much is a top seeder, meaning he can move around almost anyone. Why don't you move Sea from out group, instead, bring in another toss. You got far last MSL with many PvP's. Do the same. Let me have 3 protosses. And let me prove you all wrong."
"To be honest, I'm not too good with TvP. I admit, I'm not too confident in my broadcasted TvP's. However, I know. I know in order for me be the next champion. This is an obstacle I need to face."
"If I lose, I agree, I'm not a champion material... yet. But if I win, you and I both know that I can be/will be the next champion. So Much[gm]. Bring in the protosses!" FBH didn't get dragged in to this group, but made the group as it is himself.
While you July (not a single ZvT last season, + im enjoying thorougly his rapage against Flash in OSL) and Savior (just failures) fans mock at my hero. Just look at your heroes for a change. Do they have this kind of guts? Charisma? Not a dime.
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fbh has always been my favorite player, and the fact that he dosnt shy from a challenge is awesome, i just hope he dosnt get knocked out first round so we can see some ceremonies.
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I agree with everything you said, and I actually didn't know about the selection, is that a real translation?
Although, I do have a problem with
On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
Even with more regrets, just sadness really, Teamliquid has grand support for pros likes of emo Jaedong and fat buddha July. Especially July...
How is Jaedong emo? I'm confused.
I hope FBH can really step up his TvP, I mean Stork and Jangbi must know what causes them to lose.
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
On September 18 2008 13:23 xenero wrote:I agree with everything you said, and I actually didn't know about the selection, is that a real translation? Although, I do have a problem with Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
Even with more regrets, just sadness really, Teamliquid has grand support for pros likes of emo Jaedong and fat buddha July. Especially July...
How is Jaedong emo? I'm confused. I hope FBH can really step up his TvP, I mean Stork and Jangbi must know what causes them to lose.
Yes, that's a real translation taken from the group selection.
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Well, I guess it's harder to appreciate these kinds of things when most people here can't speak or read Korean, but FBH is entertaining.
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Yeah, I actually started watching SC regularly around last spring/summer. One of my first strong memories was of  firebathero dancing around  sAviOr after outlasting him in a great MSL match. Say what you will, but I loved watching him float his entire main base, then set it all up, then proceed to turtle like crazy into battlecruisers/medics. He stole my heart after that. Because of him, I also now root for Samsung KHAN.
As to his selection, I'm greatly worried for his chances. I mean, I love the guy and his crotch dancing, but he's really not so great at the TvP. It'd be a shame to have a player with his TvT and TvZ skills get washed away because he couldn't bring his TvP up to snuff. He makes Terran vs. Terran interesting, which is saying quite a bit for most viewers.
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At first I didn't like FBH cause of Savior fanboyism, but quite a while back I switched because I noticed that FBH actually had the skill (though not S-class, but if he can pull this off, he might as well be S-class imo) and he has the charisma (whether "asshole" or not) that so many players lack these days. Plus he's... interestingly looking... yet not extremely ugly either, which is quite entertaining because his face is easily recognized and brings around a lot of talk (or flaming).
He's also not afraid of a challenge, not afraid of losing (well perhaps he is, but who isn't), and he doesn't mind embarrassing himself just to get some laughs or show that he's good sport (ie, self-heart ceremony). Plus he does a lot of unconventional (and hilarious) builds when he feels like messing with a player of far lower skill level.
So ya, I'm cool with him as long as he keeps his shirt on and stays out of duck shaped flotation devices.
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I'm a big fan of sAviOr and fbh. They're among my top 10 favorite SC players.
FBH is just awesome, it's hard to hate him. And that little translation from the group selection makes me love him (no homo) even more.
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Sweden33719 Posts
When was the last time someone picked someone to get revenge and didn't lose horribly?
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On September 18 2008 13:34 FrozenArbiter wrote:
When was the last time someone picked someone to get revenge and didn't lose horribly?
and when was the last time someone said they'd work on their worst matchup by selecting players of that race, without losing horribly..history says this is an epic fail by FBH waiting to happen
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fbh is fucking awesome. hope he does good.
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I think if Savior and Firebathero cross paths again and Savior loses, he should jump up and outdance Firebathero. Imagine the pure awesomeness that would bring. I think it'd be funny to see Savior dance~
It'll soon become a battle of ceremonies as the two constantly try to outdo the other. That'll bring the ratings~
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He has balls, that's for sure.
I still don't like him because he's one of Samsung's Aces, and even though Stork has my respect FBH doesn't. Everybody, excluding Stork, on Khan lacks my respect. It's a team of snipers, more so than OGN, able to produce mechanics players that snipe matches from more deserving teams.
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Dont you dare saying Julys Goldenmouse is pointless. He is the most entertaining zerg player to watch of all times. He does not dance like pussy but he show all his skills and style in his game.
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Your attitude is wrong, therefore your long-winded post sucks ass.
See ya.
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I fail to see how your obvious pro-terran/anti-zerg fanboyism is any different than that from fans of players like Jaedong, Savior, and July.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing againt FBH. I like him, and his antics are a positive force for the starcraft scene.
Sadly, the same can't be said for your post.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
rofl haha thats pretty funny thoguh xd
well his ceremonies are kinda retarded i guess his spoken charisma is better.. ha
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Valhalla18444 Posts
From a purely StarCraft point of view, Firebathero is one of my absolute favourite players. The guy is a phenomenal sc player, and I really hope he does overcome his TvP problems.
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On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
I stopped reading here. You are an asshole.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
You guys are stupid, FCUK rules ass
high five dude
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FBH is one of my fav progamers, but it annoys me when people act better then everyone else cuz "they like FBH" -_-
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plus you have to admit he has some entertaining builds that seem to work well for his tvt.
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On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
OH HES FAT, HAHAHA! AWESOME DEWD!
Shut the fuck up.
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I like July's entertaining games 10 times more then FBH sucky ceremonys. If FBH wins a starleague maybe i will respect him more .But guess what that ain't happening . Just look at july's games 2 and 3 in OSL final and the rapeing he delivered Bisu yesterday . Now that is respect when someone drone drills in a final and succeeds he deserves my respect . LOL i even respect him more then FBH for the nickname SumoZerg he has here . When someone that is still unknown comes and ends iloveoov 27 games winning streak vs zerg and rapes him after that now that is respect .
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On September 18 2008 14:57 Naib wrote:
Your attitude is wrong, therefore your long-winded post sucks ass.
See ya.
This. Also,
Jaedong > FBH
July > FBH
Savior > FBH
Protoss > FBH
Until FBH starts winning some shit, all of the above will remain true. But he's shown mettle by picking toss opponents, and I hope it pays off for him.
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blasphemy, i thought every1 loved FBH D=
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CA10828 Posts
fcuk is cool, and his post was entertaining.
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FBH is fucking king, always been always will be! Doesn't matter if he doesn't win any major titles.
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To hell with ya all FBH haters!
The kid has got guts!
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FCUK had every right to make this post, because if people post their strong dislike for FBH (and a lot do when something comes up with FBH) it's only fair that he'd post this.
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its fine for you to defend FBH, its another to trash on July.
Julys game is entertaining and amazing to watch, he doesn't need to dance around to gain any recognition.
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On September 18 2008 15:59 Djabanete wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 14:57 Naib wrote:
Your attitude is wrong, therefore your long-winded post sucks ass.
See ya. This. Also, Jaedong > FBH July < FBH
Savior < FBHProtoss > FBH
fix'd
July admitted himself, he cant even beat his teamate hwasin with his current ZvT, and I think its fact that FBH's TvZ is on par with Hwasin's, if not better.
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Like many others said. It's a group of only protosses.. no matter how weak his tvp is, all he needs to practice is tvp, that's all. That's a HUGE advantage for him. Plus he also needs to practice. Plus he's not expected to win, no pressure on him.
He couldn't ask for a better position really.
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On September 18 2008 15:49 Guybrush wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
OH HES FAT, HAHAHA! AWESOME DEWD! Shut the fuck up.
FConnectionUK is awesome and you're not, so please take your own advice. Or try to comprehend the whole post before going on some crusade.
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I always liked FBH, but knowing his true motive for his horrendous group is really nice. Thanks!
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Maybe, just maybe the reason some people don't like FBH is because you know.. he isn't very good at starcraft?
You remember TL.net several years ago when Mensrea made everyone hate a zerg called mumyung because he always qualified for OSL knocking out true favourites only to invariably fail before the semis?
FBH is very much the same, his ONLY starcraft related acomplishment in single leagues is knocking out Savior in the MSL that one time so long ago.
... His only claim to fame is knocking out a once-was champion...
Since then he has made a name for himself with his crotch dancing but he has never acomplished anything you know starcraft related.
I dislike FBH because he is so in love with his own fame yet he isn't skilled enough to become famous by winning things, so he resorts to acting like a douche.
July on the other hand is loved becomes he is SKILLED, he WINS, he is is every aspect of the word, a CHAMPION. A champion that wins in a fashion that most people consider very entertaining.
And please only zvps? July faced and defeated , in order Mind, frozean and luxury, all of them with rather scary vz's Even though mind has sort of fallen of the radar since.
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who cares about savior, he is just addicted to whores, thats all 
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It seems to be predominantly Europeans that dislike FBH, this is because most Europeans have no balls.
Also, I agree about JD, I've always thought that he was a bit too emo.
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<3 FBH
nice post , even if I can understand all these haters
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On September 18 2008 20:52 KlaCkoN wrote:
Maybe, just maybe the reason some people don't like FBH is because you know.. he isn't very good at starcraft?
You remember TL.net several years ago when Mensrea made everyone hate a zerg called mumyung because he always qualified for OSL knocking out true favourites only to invariably fail before the semis?
FBH is very much the same, his ONLY starcraft related acomplishment in single leagues is knocking out Savior in the MSL that one time so long ago.
... His only claim to fame is knocking out a once-was champion...
Since then he has made a name for himself with his crotch dancing but he has never acomplished anything you know starcraft related.
I dislike FBH because he is so in love with his own fame yet he isn't skilled enough to become famous by winning things, so he resorts to acting like a douche.
July on the other hand is loved becomes he is SKILLED, he WINS, he is is every aspect of the word, a CHAMPION. A champion that wins in a fashion that most people consider very entertaining.
And please only zvps? July faced and defeated , in order Mind, frozean and luxury, all of them with rather scary vz's Even though mind has sort of fallen of the radar since.
its really hard to measure how succesful a SC player is, the most obvious way is by knowing how much he gets paid but of course we dont really know that. If you consider success as in actually winning a title or two, then that would make the total of "succesful" SC players very little. Thus, you should take into consideration winning ratios, length of career, consistency before you measure them with medals. A good example would be GGplay compared to Stork, GGplay somehow managing to win an OSL before totally crashing and burning compared to Stork who never won an MSL/OSL yet still plays consistently well to this day on, Who do you think gets paid more? The same goes for FBH, he never really won a Starleague title but considering how consistent and somewhat high W/L ratio is in his TvT and TvZ makes him one of the Samsung Khan's most valuable players. *cough* MVP *cough*
The same could be said about hwasin, Much, Sea, Luxury etc. etc.
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On September 18 2008 21:19 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 20:52 KlaCkoN wrote:
Maybe, just maybe the reason some people don't like FBH is because you know.. he isn't very good at starcraft?
You remember TL.net several years ago when Mensrea made everyone hate a zerg called mumyung because he always qualified for OSL knocking out true favourites only to invariably fail before the semis?
FBH is very much the same, his ONLY starcraft related acomplishment in single leagues is knocking out Savior in the MSL that one time so long ago.
... His only claim to fame is knocking out a once-was champion...
Since then he has made a name for himself with his crotch dancing but he has never acomplished anything you know starcraft related.
I dislike FBH because he is so in love with his own fame yet he isn't skilled enough to become famous by winning things, so he resorts to acting like a douche.
July on the other hand is loved becomes he is SKILLED, he WINS, he is is every aspect of the word, a CHAMPION. A champion that wins in a fashion that most people consider very entertaining.
And please only zvps? July faced and defeated , in order Mind, frozean and luxury, all of them with rather scary vz's Even though mind has sort of fallen of the radar since.
its really hard to measure how succesful a SC player is, the most obvious way is by knowing how much he gets paid but of course we dont really know that. If you consider success as in actually winning a title or two, then that would make the total of "succesful" SC players very little. Thus, you should take into consideration winning ratios, length of career, consistency before you measure them with medals. A good example would be GGplay compared to Stork, GGplay somehow managing to win an OSL before totally crashing and burning compared to Stork who never won an MSL/OSL yet still plays consistently well to this day on, Who do you think gets paid more? The same goes for FBH, he never really won a Starleague title but considering how consistent and somewhat high W/L ratio is in his TvT and TvZ makes him one of the Samsung Khan's most valuable players. *cough* MVP *cough* The same could be said about hwasin, Much, Sea, Luxury etc. etc.
You have a point of course.
But personally I couldn't care less for pro-league results, "consistent in pro-league" doesn't sound very sexy does it? =p
And GGplay was very good for quite a long time before he won, Stork is still the better player obviously.
I might be mistaken but I am rather sure that Hwasin, Much and Lux have been way, way more sucessful in singe leagues than FBH.
Sea is yet another mumyung I agree, but one he doesn't go out of his way to show of when he actually wins some unimportant match (like FBH) and two, his involvment with tl.net on a personal basis level it hard to dislike him.
To restate my main point though, I dislike FBH because he is so in love with the idea of beeing famous, yet he isn't skilled enough to achieve stardom be winning things so instead he resorts to acting like a douche.
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I hate what he did to Savior, nontheless he's skilled (well except TvP) and has great charisma so I can't help but like him.Tx for the translation btw, it sucks missing out on things like that because I can't speak Korean. 
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Hahahaha i love how some people flame FConnectionUK.
Thanks again for another short insight FCUK.
There is a little FBH in all of us 
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Strange, I don't see any "2008" next to savior, the only relevant year to this post..
Savior has achievements, nobody is denying that. What we're talking about now is current ability. Currently speaking, FBH is a powerhouse, who's proven himself more capably and ballsy than savior, with great personality and charisma. I think that's what he meant by:
sAviOr < FBH
FBH Has more balls than any other progamer has shown in group selection.
Admits his weak point on tv in a certain matchup, then throws himself in a group full of that matchup?
Also, this is very intelligent by FBH. Not only does he have to only practice 1 matchup, but the other players will be practicing PvP because 2 of the others are P's. FBH full-time practicing TvP, vs P's that are mostly practicing PvP... If this gives him the edge he needs, he will come out looking deceivingly strong, having just conquered his best matchup against less-practiced P's..
Very intelligent move. I love FBH.
also, I agree with OP. Great post.
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i hope fbh gets knocked out instantly :D
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Seriously, making a post about how much you love FBH and in that post berate July because of his size and not starcraft-related issues shows what kind of immature person u must be. If you would leave out the part about July's size this would be a good post worth reading. Now it is not.
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I respect that you're a fan of FBH but he's not going to win. =/
He's all talk and doesn't have the skill to win.
EDIT: I don't know why people are flaming FCUK. People have their favorite players. ;(
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Just look at your heroes for a change. Do they have this kind of guts?
SaviOr played off-race vs. GoRush... On the other hand, FBH got himself into a group where he has to practice only a single match-up (although his weakest) vs. his opponents' two...
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Savior was being cocky and GoRush rightly smashed him. FirebatHero knows his TvP sucks miserably and is using this opportunity to get better at it, and not turn it into some type of stunt (although to be honest he would probably like to).
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On September 18 2008 15:19 QibingZero wrote:
I fail to see how your obvious pro-terran/anti-zerg fanboyism is any different than that from fans of players like Jaedong, Savior, and July.
Don't get me wrong, I have nothing againt FBH. I like him, and his antics are a positive force for the starcraft scene.
Sadly, the same can't be said for your post.
This is what the OP sounded like to me. If it was more carefully worded it might have had a lower percentage of posts arguing over whether Savior or FBH are better. Good luck FBH and hope you come out of the group with another strong matchup under your belt.
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On September 18 2008 20:36 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 15:49 Guybrush wrote:On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
OH HES FAT, HAHAHA! AWESOME DEWD! Shut the fuck up. FConnectionUK is awesome and you're not, so please take your own advice. Or try to comprehend the whole post before going on some crusade.
No crusade going on here kid, simply me expressing my opinion. Im pointing out where his post failed, as what he wrote there was neither funny nor informative, but only a pointless insult. As for your opinion on me, thats not the object of discussion here, and to be quite frank I couldnt care less.
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I became a fbh fan after watching bnet attack. The guy is so hilarious and adorable.
And fbh is no mumyung besides tvp his tvz and tvt are both top 5.
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"July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory"
Stopped reading there.
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Braavos36374 Posts
until FBH does anything past the semis of any individual league he's not worth the time.. he's top4'd maybe one MSL?
he's like the anna kournikova of BW without the girly blond hotness, he's entertaining to watch but when discussing his achievements or skill relative to others, he's ultimately meaningless
comparing him to savior now in his best mu and savior's worst isn't really a big deal, there are plenty, i mean plenty of Ts that would be favored over savior right now
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On September 18 2008 20:36 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 15:49 Guybrush wrote:On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
OH HES FAT, HAHAHA! AWESOME DEWD! Shut the fuck up. FConnectionUK is awesome and you're not, so please take your own advice. Or try to comprehend the whole post before going on some crusade.
I like the translations as much as anyone, but bringing up things like "YOU = FAT" is immature as fuck and belongs in kindergarten.
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So many butthurt July fans, I am enjoying this thread.
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FBH is a monkey!
Nothing wrong with being fans of Savior or July, who are champs FFS. They paid their dues.
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I love Firebathero.
He has always been my favorite after Boxer.
Naib: Seems like you don't understand the epicness of FBH
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is awesome32274 Posts
LOL, if FBH dares to step in Much's path he will get MAULED.
Then he will be mocked by CJ non-stop. Much will keep laughing at his pathetic TvP, XellOs will probably make fun of his "ceremonies" some more. And SaviOr will laugh from behind with his hands full of trophies.
lol @ FBH. What a failure of a player.
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I enjoyed this article! Thanks
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Savior (just failures) fans mock at my hero. Just look at your heroes for a change. Do they have this kind of guts? Charisma? Not a dime.
if you kno anything about savior. he challenge the best of the best during his time. he didnt pick some noob first round. he pick nada, nal ra, boxer, iloveoov. so dont say savior didnt have guts back then. cuz he wasnt the maestro for nothing. I like FBH tho. hes open and i hope he does well. watching his battle.net attack is hilarious. (jon47 uploaded a vod wit subtitles)
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On September 19 2008 02:32 gNs.I-Jasa wrote:Show nested quote +Savior (just failures) fans mock at my hero. Just look at your heroes for a change. Do they have this kind of guts? Charisma? Not a dime. if you kno anything about savior. he challenge the best of the best during his time. he didnt pick some noob first round. he pick nada, nal ra, boxer, iloveoov. so dont say savior didnt have guts back then. cuz he wasnt the maestro for nothing. I like FBH tho. hes open and i hope he does well. watching his battle.net attack is hilarious. (jon47 uploaded a vod wit subtitles)
Did you forget about SuperFight? Which as also known as make Sp1ralArch1tect really fucking sad by having all his heroes defeated by savior? Savior is definitely not afraid of any player (except Bisuc, but only because he was the one to knock him off), the mans only enemy is himself pretty much.
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
On September 18 2008 13:34 FrozenArbiter wrote:
When was the last time someone picked someone to get revenge and didn't lose horribly?
I agree. Then again, this is how Midas won my heart. Him picking Savior at Savior's PEAK prime time BACK to BACK (which brought him nothing but failures leading to his biggest slump).
But come on~? Were you not entertained? While there were many other games, this one was a keeper.
I have a feeling this msl will be much more enjoyable for you guys than the last one to say the least. I brought over so much drama already.
P.S. I don't really HATE july or savior. It was for the sake of the article. I sure feel like TL.net Public Enemy #1.
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Useful and interesting information but presented in a very lame, fanboyistic way. There's quite a few FBH fans on this site now so I think you really need to stop whining about the haters so much. Of course someone like FBH will get anti-fans, not everybody likes his sort of style just like a lot of you FBH fanboys hate Savior.
All these 'haha, Savior is the suxxorz'-fanboys have got such short memories. It was only a few years ago that Savior was taking down one big-name terran after the other, including his 3-0 semi-final demolishing of Oov. During the peak of his reign even more than with July and Jaedong he really had the terrans running scared. Such a great achievement for a zerg player and as for protoss, for a while there they might as well have been typing out as soon as the game loaded up. Despite all the hype FBH is nothing yet to what Savior was and if he doesn't make it out of this group well, be prepared for a bit more FBH-baiting. I hope Much has got a good ceremony lined up for him.
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For the one who dare compare FBH to Mumyung:
Look at of Mumyung's shitty stats:
1v1 Record:
All: 109-126 (46.38%) [ Games ]
vT: 46-61 (42.99%) [ Games ]
vZ: 33-35 (48.53%) [ Games ]
vP: 30-30 (50.00%) [ Games ]
And even if you remove the last 3years he is still below 50%
Then look at FBH's stats :
1v1 Record:
All: 72-55 (56.69%) [ Games ]
vT: 39-22 (63.93%) [ Games ]
vZ: 21-12 (63.64%) [ Games ]
vP: 12-21 (36.36%) [ Games ]
Over 63% in his strong matchup! He this guy can fix his shitty TvP he will become the Alpha Ultimate Badass progamer!
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FBH is amusing for sure. I do enjoy watching Much smash his face in though.
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i hated fbh until he did the self-heart. that was awesome
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United States10328 Posts
hmm I think that
Savior < FBH
means fbh beats savior? :O
anyway fbh is a very funny player, and his TvZ TvT are obviously pretty good... but he is a bit bm sometimes 
FBH is all about entertaining.
but I think fcuk was joking (hopefully :|) about july?
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If July had balls, he would've pick all Terrans in his group.
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July, the winner of 'nothing new'
vs
FBH, the winner of... nothing?
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I actually expect FBH to at least take a win. The intensive practice involved for one matchup, as well as the fact as the other players will probably be more focusing on perfecting their build orders/timings for PvP on the newer maps, may give him a slight chance to apt up.
The reason FBH's tvp is so weak is not because of his fundamentals, but because he does not hone and cater his multi-tasking well into TvP as he does in his TvZ/TvT, much in the same fashion as Casy.
However, FBH has superior macro than Casy, and overall better large unit management, but he all too often focuses on the smaller niches, harasses at the wrong time, and small contingent attacks like the way he does in TvZ/TvT, but do not work that well in TvP. If he can muster the ability to concentrate on the ball of doom and alter his style of play, we could see a godly Terran player, but for now, we will see a user who tries to do more than he can muster.
FBH doesn't come across as being abrasive, but rather a clown out for the jokes and tomatoes thrown at him. Just a kid trying to have fun, unlike go.go, who aims to be the bully and has no desire to make it fun but rather humiliating when he wins against another.
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GO FBH
not gonna happen though
hes gonna get smashed by pretty "much" any toss
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On September 19 2008 03:20 loupouk wrote:
For the one who dare compare FBH to Mumyung:
Look at of Mumyung's shitty stats:
1v1 Record:
All: 109-126 (46.38%) [ Games ]
vT: 46-61 (42.99%) [ Games ]
vZ: 33-35 (48.53%) [ Games ]
vP: 30-30 (50.00%) [ Games ]
And even if you remove the last 3years he is still below 50%
Then look at FBH's stats :
1v1 Record:
All: 72-55 (56.69%) [ Games ]
vT: 39-22 (63.93%) [ Games ]
vZ: 21-12 (63.64%) [ Games ]
vP: 12-21 (36.36%) [ Games ]
Over 63% in his strong matchup! He this guy can fix his shitty TvP he will become the Alpha Ultimate Badass progamer!
Thing you're missing here is that Mymyung's weakest matchup is his most played, as well as FBH's best match up. According to your stats, FBH's vT comes out to .48, while Mumyung's vT is about .45. In both cases, that's almost half the total games. I do think that of ot were switched around, FBH would have a more dismal record. Plus, Mumyung actually has something to place in his belt. Going by records as you have:
Mumyung
Winner: 2001-2002 KPGA Winners Championship 12 games
Winner: 2001 KPGA November 8 games
FBH
No entries.
Regardless of whether the titles that Mumyung has won would be consider trivial, fact is that he's actually come out on top of something. I don't think there's any doubt about who the more accomplished player is.
Going back on topic, it's really not surprising as to why there are quite a few that don't back FBH. Obviously his eliminating of Savior isn't going to help his immediate image to the community of fans (as most were backing Savior), but the ceremony that followed and the many that came in later games painted him as arrogant. In the end, Savior will be known for his era of pure domination and many titles notched in his belt. FBH is known for his crotch-dances and hairy armpits. There really is no argument as to who the more decorated player is.
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Mumyungs record is much better than i was expecting.
July is fat
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fbh has balls. but that's about it i think.
as for july, i hate you too.
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FBH won't get out of his group. "Nothing new" I suppose.
The end.
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WHERE´S YOUR GOD MUCH NOW?????
LEE SUNG EUN FIGHTING!!!!!!111ONEONE!!!!111!!!
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FBH is one of my favorite players and without doubt the best entertainer in the BW pro scene. But the fact that you trash talk July and Jeadong as if they are not worthy of playing in the same league as FBH is what makes me believe that YOU are the fanboy here. You are a FBH fanboy because you seem to look up to only him and get angry in real life when someone critiques him or when other players win vs him.
I don't see why you have to mock Jaedong, the legend killer, that manages to beat down every single ruler of the bw throne one after one or Julyzerg who practically invented muta stacking and perfected low econ zerg play. Those players are legendary and they deserve every bit of fan cred they get.
FBH is also a very very good player who has done extremely well in proleague and is thus well deserved of his praise. So why would anyone mock him for not taking titles in the individual leagues or not being one of the 5 best TvP players in the world? That's like mocking a track and field runner for not doing 100m in under 10 sec. Just ridiculous.
That being said. I also dislike people discrediting FBH because they don't like his personality or because he trash talk other players. When will people learn to take it for what it is, a joke. A real professional will not be affected by trashtalking and thus it can only be a means of entertainment for the audience. So be greatful you all have a good entertainer that lightens mood sometimes. I know I am.
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Are you guys serious? - -;;
Best is Best!!!!!!!!! WOooooooo
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United States20661 Posts
I can't believe FBH cites Reach and Nal_rA as influences.
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United States10774 Posts
I stopped hating fbh a looong time ago
he's such a character
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FBH is hilarious. If he wins a Starleague, I will go somewhere and get drunk. :D
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On September 19 2008 11:00 Last Romantic wrote:
I can't believe FBH cites Reach and Nal_rA as influences.
If he's been studying protoss by watching 4-5 year old Reach and Nal_ra vods, then I guess that explains a lot. =P
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On September 19 2008 14:22 dinmsab wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2008 11:00 Last Romantic wrote:
I can't believe FBH cites Reach and Nal_rA as influences. If he's been studying protoss by watching 4-5 year old Reach and Nal_ra vods, then I guess that explains a lot. =P
Haha, I was just about to post to agree with LR, and you had to send me into a fit of laughter like that. You fiend! :D
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I personally don't dislike FBH, but being Much one of my favorites progamers, I will always hope he gets destroyed against papatoss and never has a chance for payback ceremonies.
However, I know one thing. If FBH wins this MSL, they are going to have to play the next MSL outdoors everytime, cause his ego won't fit in the mall stage.
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He's probably the smartest guy out there. At least he stops the progamers from all becoming robots
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Haha no surprise here, almost all the FBH haters have a CJ logo.
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5 Reasons not to hate FBH (no particular order):
1. Jumping in water after beating go.go.
2. Self-heart
3. Bnet attack
4. Funny ceremonies
5. He rocks at TvT and TvZ
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Hm... To hate FBH is stupid. He's fun and he's good.
The reason i don't get really warm with him... Well.. He is not that spectacular a player... I kinda got *off* from the "i love Zergs thing" during this OSL now for me the game is like:
July, Much and probably Fantasy... These 3 just make exciting games. You can't have bigger Balls than Much (1 base Carrier? Sorry, you can't have more guts than this... well... 1 base Battlecruiser :p), you can't be more aggressive than July and Fantasy's games vs Nada were just epic (seriously, before that i thought TvT was boring :p). That's what makes or breaks an exciting gamer for me... Not some ceremony.
Yes, FBH getting 3 Toss in his group (which he could not do 100% himself, so don't give him all the credit for for that) is kinda sweet from him and shows that he wants to improve. But well... I'm more into getting excited about the games, not some ceremony or pick.
I don't really liked Savior and i don't like Jaedong that much. I don't exactly know why i don't get warm with Jaedong, he plays awesome (the burrow usage against Best was sweeeet).
Who gives a fuck about some ceremony? Uhhhh he made a Heart... Who cares? I want to see exciting games, nothing more.
Btw: What was the shittalk about July only picking Protoss? As far as i know he picked a Terran? He just did not jump into a Group with tons of Terrans which i would call smart, not cowardly.
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United States20661 Posts
July takes a mostly protoss group and avoids terrans as much as possible
FBH takes on three protosses
one of these guys is a champion
the other is some punk who likes vulgar dancing
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Speaking of Terrans with not-so-good TvP, I hope Boxer wins an OSL again soon.
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"Balls of steel" from Nuke Dukem was echoing in my ears. Let's see if he eats them.
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Someone brewed him something good.
Remember Iris?
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dunno how 2 BO wins prove anything. He almost lost against bisu despite killing a ton of probes in the start.
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+ Show Spoiler +Hahaha and FBH 2:0'ed his group easy. Tough day for all his haters . Good thing I'm not a one of them.
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firebathero is fucking no.1
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FConnectionUK
United States316 Posts
Balls of Steel
+ Show Spoiler +On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
"To be honest, I'm not too good with TvP. I admit, I'm not too confident in my broadcasted TvP's. However, I know. I know in order for me be the next champion. This is an obstacle I need to face."
"If I lose, I agree, I'm not a champion material... yet. But if I win, you and I both know that I can be/will be the next champion. So Much[gm]. Bring in the protosses!" FBH didn't get dragged in to this group, but made the group as it is himself.
MSL champion has been decided.
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Thanks for bumping this thread. Brings a big smilie to my face.
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Grats to FBH for being a baller and doing what he said he would.
It was awesome how pumped up he was after beating Bisu, it clearly meant so much to him.
Although I still think the OP is an idiot for insulting other players for no reason.
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On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
To nobody's surprise, FBH's hatred is common in TeamLiquid.net. When you combine FBH's great ceremonies and dramatic Savior N00b Bash (Oops! there I said it!), you get TeamLiquid Public Enemy #1.
As a result, everyone who let themselves be blinded by Savior's fanboyism ,or rather pity imo, misses out the greatest entertainment Starcraft can offer.
Even with more regrets, just sadness really, Teamliquid has grand support for pros likes of emo Jaedong and fat buddha July. Especially July...
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
In the other hand, look at FirebatOurHero. TL.netter in MSL selection thread was laughing at the group he was in. Such a pity they would mock. "LOL FBH" "FBH GONNA GET RAPED"
But only if you could just grasp a hint of his charisma...
"First, let me take off my name" calmly the man walks to the right side of the board.
"So many players I like... so many... See? I like this guy, Go.Go (if he replaces his name with GoGo, he would be next to Savior, Savior vs FBH). Then let's take his name off" The crowd goes wild.
"And yet, I'm not THAT desperate for a win." All commentators can do is laugh at his generosity toward Savior.
"Let me take Kim MyungHoon (who was placed next to Much at that moment), and put myself here next to Much[gm]" Right then, the camera captures a glimpse of Much, the author of heart ceremony, smirking quietly in his place.
"Much said before 'sending someone(FBH) to Andromeda (means raping)' was fun. Let me have some of that fun too now. I'll send him to Andromeda"
"Much is a top seeder, meaning he can move around almost anyone. Why don't you move Sea from out group, instead, bring in another toss. You got far last MSL with many PvP's. Do the same. Let me have 3 protosses. And let me prove you all wrong."
"To be honest, I'm not too good with TvP. I admit, I'm not too confident in my broadcasted TvP's. However, I know. I know in order for me be the next champion. This is an obstacle I need to face."
"If I lose, I agree, I'm not a champion material... yet. But if I win, you and I both know that I can be/will be the next champion. So Much[gm]. Bring in the protosses!" FBH didn't get dragged in to this group, but made the group as it is himself.
While you July (not a single ZvT last season, + im enjoying thorougly his rapage against Flash in OSL) and Savior (just failures) fans mock at my hero. Just look at your heroes for a change. Do they have this kind of guts? Charisma? Not a dime.
I dont want to be mean but writing things like this makes you sound like a fucking fag who has nothing better to do then make Starcraft into a male soap opera. Reading your OP is as hard to sit through as footage of men french kissing.
You make me ashamed to be a nerd you know that...
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On October 11 2008 22:02 adelarge wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hahaha and FBH 2:0'ed his group easy. Tough day for all his haters . Good thing I'm not a one of them.
Only gonna make his haters hoot and highfive even harder when he gets spatted down like a fly later.
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Not necessarily. Many people have grown to appreciate his antics, play and personality except for those who love zerg, or CJ fanboys.
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ive always respected fbh for his charisma even when i hated him for trashing savior
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On October 12 2008 00:26 .risingdragoon wrote:
Only gonna make his haters hoot and highfive even harder when he gets spatted down like a fly later.
That's possible. Maybe he will lose terribly to Tempest next round. But it doesn't matter now, because today, FBH is the winner.
After some months or years, I won't remember much from this MSL group stage. But I WILL remember FBH destroying group of protoss, when half people here were laughing at him .
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Why are you calling Jeadong emo?
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Isn't FBH one of the fan favourites in Korea (?) while outside Korea everyone hates him for his antics. I think this is probably due to us foreigners only able to judge him based on his gameplay/ceremonies/facial expressions lol. He must SAY a lot of entertaining things in Korean.
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FBH doesn't have charisma or style. Making a jackass of yourself and being confident about how stupid you look does not equal charisma.
He's just an obnoxious nerd.
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Oh the irony.
Yes, the ladies love him in Korea.
Read over his interviews. He's quite charming.
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On October 12 2008 00:26 ForVengeance wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2008 13:14 FConnectionUK wrote:
To nobody's surprise, FBH's hatred is common in TeamLiquid.net. When you combine FBH's great ceremonies and dramatic Savior N00b Bash (Oops! there I said it!), you get TeamLiquid Public Enemy #1.
As a result, everyone who let themselves be blinded by Savior's fanboyism ,or rather pity imo, misses out the greatest entertainment Starcraft can offer.
Even with more regrets, just sadness really, Teamliquid has grand support for pros likes of emo Jaedong and fat buddha July. Especially July...
July, the winner of 'nothing new w/ no meaning' golden mouse after Nada took all the glory, promised to do ceremonies on TV program (several times... I wouldn't even mention this if it was just once or twice). Instead, all fans got was a fat dude ACTING overly excited trying to look cool doing nothing. Who would've thought? He's fat.
In the other hand, look at FirebatOurHero. TL.netter in MSL selection thread was laughing at the group he was in. Such a pity they would mock. "LOL FBH" "FBH GONNA GET RAPED"
But only if you could just grasp a hint of his charisma...
"First, let me take off my name" calmly the man walks to the right side of the board.
"So many players I like... so many... See? I like this guy, Go.Go (if he replaces his name with GoGo, he would be next to Savior, Savior vs FBH). Then let's take his name off" The crowd goes wild.
"And yet, I'm not THAT desperate for a win." All commentators can do is laugh at his generosity toward Savior.
"Let me take Kim MyungHoon (who was placed next to Much at that moment), and put myself here next to Much[gm]" Right then, the camera captures a glimpse of Much, the author of heart ceremony, smirking quietly in his place.
"Much said before 'sending someone(FBH) to Andromeda (means raping)' was fun. Let me have some of that fun too now. I'll send him to Andromeda"
"Much is a top seeder, meaning he can move around almost anyone. Why don't you move Sea from out group, instead, bring in another toss. You got far last MSL with many PvP's. Do the same. Let me have 3 protosses. And let me prove you all wrong."
"To be honest, I'm not too good with TvP. I admit, I'm not too confident in my broadcasted TvP's. However, I know. I know in order for me be the next champion. This is an obstacle I need to face."
"If I lose, I agree, I'm not a champion material... yet. But if I win, you and I both know that I can be/will be the next champion. So Much[gm]. Bring in the protosses!" FBH didn't get dragged in to this group, but made the group as it is himself.
While you July (not a single ZvT last season, + im enjoying thorougly his rapage against Flash in OSL) and Savior (just failures) fans mock at my hero. Just look at your heroes for a change. Do they have this kind of guts? Charisma? Not a dime.
I dont want to be mean but writing things like this makes you sound like a fucking fag who has nothing better to do then make Starcraft into a male soap opera. Reading your OP is as hard to sit through as footage of men french kissing. You make me ashamed to be a nerd you know that...
Oh why did you get temp banned instead of perm banned?
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I'm interested in seeing this group selection and I couldn't find it on youtube. Is it uploaded there or in the small vod thread? Checking small vod thread now..
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Why did the OP, subs or not, call July 'fat' and Jaedong 'emo'? That's going to annoy some people. I guess he got a bit too angry by that.
I always stand up for FBH. But the way he did it was immature and degrading on other progamers.
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He was just pointing out how everyone seems to be fan boys of Jaedong, July, and Savior so he wanted to make ti painfully clear how he felt about these players despite how he knew people would react. I, myself, completely agree with the topic and was really hoping FBH would do well. Even before I ever saw him play a live match I liked seeing him TvZ in some replays and TvT for that matter. I also don't know how anyone could not call him charismatic. Sure, at times he may seem to be making himself like like a moron, but he does it for his fans and he does it for fun. FBH is the kind of guy that I know I could hang out with because he wouldn't be stressed about losing his match the night before or nervous and anxious about playing his next opponent.
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Yeah, well then he's just as guilty. Do what's the difference then?
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WOOT go FBH, sucks for all you haters.
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why so serious? let me put a smile on that face!
seriously guys, it's a joke
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Because it got someone banned? That's why I replied in the first place. And someone even asked for a perma ban because he got provoked by the 'fat' joke.
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FBH is great. If you dont love him then you are just a savior fanboy.
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i haven't read the whole thread but
if he knows already he is going to lose, better lose against someone everyone expects he'll lose instead of letting Savior have his payback by 'destroying' him
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Why are so many people FBH haters? You people are always blowing things out of proportion. As a matter of fact, you Savior lovers are taking FBH's ceremonies harder than Savior did.
Man up, you fanboys.
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Well, I just hope he's still good enough when sAviOr starts destroying everyone again in 2009.
(Props to FConnectionUK for his post re sAviOr in another thread: )
On October 12 2008 09:01 FConnectionUK wrote:
Ok, I lose. Go ahead. Mods can ban me for making such nonsense FBH thread. Savior is just classy as HELL.
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Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
On October 12 2008 02:02 MYM.Testie wrote:
FBH doesn't have charisma or style. Making a jackass of yourself and being confident about how stupid you look does not equal charisma.
He's just an obnoxious nerd.
Pot. Kettle. Black.
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He actually said Savior and July do not have the balls that FBH has? They don't have the balls FBH has because they never had a matchup with a 30% to pick people out and destroy them? Buddy, they didn't need to. Unlike FBH, these players were BONJWA's, worthy of respect. They did some of the most spectacular things in Starcraft history, and I'm sure this is a shock to you and your 'hero'- but it did not involve cock thrusts.
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oh, this thread has mixed emotions.. july dont rly need it, imo, july is so fucking humble like holy shit. during his 3rd osl win, he was so going to do a ceremony but he didnt. hes fucking humble. and savior, man, savior is just awesome. hes going to fucking destroy everyone in 09, kickass!
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GODS, the mods are going to ban the op just because he said Jaedong emo and July is fat?
I really dont believe by what i saw in tl.net so far.
He had done nothing, just showing his point of view with humor. If some childs get angry, go get out of PC and live a real life. Try to anger everytime someones says something you dont like.
Youll die of stress.
Lets keep cool people, take it easy, as americans say.
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Maybe it's because i can understand korean, but it's hard not to like FBH
he's a good speaker, especially compared to some other progamers
and seems like a down to earth, good guy who likes to have fun
also, gaming, like theater or music, is a performance art
and what he lacks in skill, he makes up for in showmanship, which is common in many performance arts
idk i'm a savior fanboy buuuuuuuuuut
FBH always puts a smile on my face
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FCUK, thanks for the translation!
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Esports are about the audience. NEVAR FORGET
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