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Hey all i was sitting in class today and was thinking of an interesting thing.... Does personality predispose people to choose certain races over others?
What got me thinking along these lines was my starcraft sparring partner and good friend. Personality wise we are night and day, he is a quiet introverted person who "does things by the book" ie. He really isn't that spontaneous or impulsive. On the other hand you have me. Impulsive spontaneous very extroverted and generally i fly be the seat of my pants. Coincidently the races he chooses to play in starcraft are the following:
Terran: His favored race, he plays them because of their "cost effectiveness" and the fact that he can strategically move forward one step at a time. He loves the slow methodical "Terran push"
Protoss: His second choice for races, while he doesn't like toss as much as tron his reasons for picking toss above zerg is because once again, you can follow a plan to the letter, protoss units are more "cost effective" than zerg and thusly in his opinion are once again the better choice.
Zerg: He can't even stand to play them, he hates the fact that the units are not cost effective- and as he puts it just throw everything you have at a battle- don't plan just hope you have more than they have and gg.
Now my opinion of the 3 races:
Zerg: my main and really my only race, i love the instantaneous gratification- quick movement speed for troops, fast build times- no waiting. I love just being able to create hundreds and hundreds of units and just maul you over wave after wave. I mean i can just throw everything at you, 12 muta sure all i need is a few hatcheries, then next zerglings? why not? I just cannot get over thier mobility- imo it's second to none. Also defilers- sooo sexy 
Protoss: I would have to pick this race as second because quite simply i hate that tron units when not in proper position seem too fragile (at least to me) So i would have to say protoss is my next favorite. However i go nuts waiting for a single unit to get done, how expensive everything is- and the fact that 2 or 3 control groups of units is it- your army. Also their so slow i just can't stand them. However protoss isn't as bad as god forgive terran.
Terran: Well last and defiantly least for me at least comes tron. Can't stand them. I think their units take forever to make, and the worst part is how fragile they are. Also could you walk any slower marines jesus other than vults terran have no mobility on the ground- unless you stim your marines to the ground that is lol. If your rines get caught out of position or your tanks are out of positions then dead. I think you have to be OCD to play this race because if each and every little single thing isn't prefect nothing is going to work. IMo terran units are too specialized the only thing that is even slightly "all around" is rines that's it. I mean i just cannot understand how people play this race because it drives me into a state of mental psychosis.
Anyway so i was just wondering if anyone here would like to take the time to list theirs or their friends personality and their preferred SC races. I just think that it would be interesting to really see if there is a solid correlation.
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I'd say it reflects skills more than race. In a very general sense atleast.
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If you define personality as: "The pattern of collective character, behavioral, temperamental, emotional, and mental traits of a person" then yes.
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On September 04 2008 08:59 MYM.Testie wrote: I'd say it reflects skills more than race. In a very general sense atleast.
elaborate?
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I have played all 3 races as my main, finally ending with terran just because I simply play better with them, I don't really prefer their units or anything over other races, but I just play terran best. Also I don't see how zerg's units are not cost effective, lurk can rape mass units for only 125/125, scourges can kill many air units for only 25/75, sunks have double the health and damage of a cannon for only 25$ more (i know they can't hit air, but people rarely mass air anyways, also there is scourges), 6 lings = 150$, which can kill 1 cannon, even without upgrades, AND you can upgrade them and they are mobile units. including the drone hatcheries are only 350$. I would say more but I think zerg is pretty cost effective, at least more than protoss IMO.
EDIT: About toss, I don't find too many cost effective units really, the only one I can actually think of is HT's, because of storm rape, cannons are decently cost effective, because of detection and AA, altough you could argue the same for turrets or spores too. Anyway thats my elaboration of why i think Z is still more cost effective than P
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Mostly people who want free wins are protoss id notice
people who like to work hard for wins are terran
and people who like a mix of both are zerg
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cracklings take half a supply, cost 25 minerals, and a pair of cracklings has a higher DPS than any single unit in the game other than nuke of course
I wouldnt exactly call that inefficient
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As far as the comments about races go- my friends and myself would like to say that we know that all comments about said races are not FACT however we as players perceive said races to be such.
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For me at least it's just what I already know.
I can't remember what made me pick protoss, but switching to zerg or terran would be such a shitfest of losing constantly for a while that I'd really rather not. Sometimes I play around with them, and I like both of them (probably zerg more since muta micro is the most fun thing ever), but I prefer a lot of things in protoss anyways.
I mean come on... storm is like the most imba spell in the whole game. Couple that with maelstrom and it's just hilarious.
Plus I get to mind control people. I mean seriously. I love this race.
One time I was in a PvT and I mind controlled an scv and built myself a big siege tank army. I then recalled my sieged siege tanks into the terran base. LOL
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I think people are misreading what originally i had intended to do with this thread. I don't want to hear about why you like a race- I only care about that partly. I want to hear about your personality and how that may or may not have effected the choosing of your main race. So ya.....
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On September 04 2008 08:54 Misrah wrote:
What got me thinking along these lines was my starcraft sparring partner and good friend.
whoever tells you otherwise is wrong, starcraft IS a martial art.
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On September 04 2008 08:59 MYM.Testie wrote: I'd say it reflects skills more than race. In a very general sense atleast.
Well, when I started terran was my favorite race because they were easier to me than any of the others. (This is of course past the protoss is the easiest as a first race stuff.) I decided that I would rather play zerg though because it didn't match my skill set. I would have to learn new things and adapt. I think that's partially why I'm slow to get better with zerg.
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does personality reflect sc race?
answer: no
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i noticed protoss's tend to be hackers, wonder why that is O_O
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Wasn't there a thread on this before? Anyhoo, I just chose Zerg because I though Lurkers and Ultras were the coolest units in the whole game. I am honestly much better at Protoss or even Terran, but I simply chose Zerg due to aesthetics and whatnot.
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I would say not in playstyle, but maybe in how you prefer the mindset of your races. Like Terran are brash and badass who just have their way bulldozing through shit, protoss are advanced and warrior-cultured full of noble killing machine units, and zerg are evil and seedy with pure maliciousness and domination.
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On September 04 2008 09:28 Machine[USA] wrote: i noticed protoss's tend to be hackers, wonder why that is O_O
cuz protoss is by far the hardest race, so many frustrated protoss players turn to hacks
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I love protoss because of all the options you have. I think its the most adaptive race. Also psy storm is so mazing.
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yaeh probably. It always seems to me Zergs are the very aggressive types, the type that likes a lot of action, Terran are the very smart kind of folk who take things very methodically- mechanics and all that are a must for Terran obviously, and Protoss is just in between. Though, who knows how much the personality determines the race and how much the race determine personality [or rather, views on how the game should be played and the skills that should be focused on over other matters].
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I agree with TS...im zerg btw
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On September 04 2008 09:09 arb wrote: Mostly people who want free wins are protoss id notice
people who like to work hard for wins are terran
and people who like a mix of both are zerg
OFC your terran. Where is the logic in that statement...? I see no evidence supporting your claim, PROTOSS 4 LIEF
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I think you have to specify it as certain personality traits. We'd be hard pressed to answer if someones personality affects their race choice (I would say it doesnt), but you might be able to pick up trends if you choose specific traits, like you said introverted, extroverted, cautious, brash etc (each are a very very small part of a persons entire personality). I'm cautious and introverted, Zerg is my favorite race, Protoss is the race I win most as, and Terran is the race I'm most fascinated by (I like watching terran and wish I were best at terran). I don't think much can be concluded by this... many people probably pick a race because it looks and feels cool, or they have a favorite pro gamer they want to emulate or something.
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Protoss players r by far the most bm I can tell you that much!
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The way i see it, you fix your playstyle according to your personality, NOT the other way around.
I play terran, and i have to agree, the lack of mobility SUCKSSSSSSSS. I hated that at first. But after a while, i got used to it. I used to hate the fact that in TvP, you can never roam around the center unseiged much like toss armies do. But after a while, i began to prefer building up a solid terran army, rolling out, seiging only within sight of the toss army, and just plainly steamrolling across the map, much like nada's tornado style. I can't stand turtling off 3 base, and eventually extending myself to 4 or 5 base to split the map, although this might be the norm in some maps (BS comes to mind).
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I'm kinda lazy, maybe that's what attracted me to toss.
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Only reason why I play Z is because when I looked at the SC box for the first time I found the hydralisk more funny than the marine and zealot. Then I played for the first time and found a group of zerglings hopping around to be hilarious, so it cosolidated zerg as my race.
So, in a nutshell, I play zerg because I'm silly. Nothing else. :D
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On September 04 2008 09:51 NonY[rC] wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 09:28 Machine[USA] wrote: i noticed protoss's tend to be hackers, wonder why that is O_O
cuz protoss is by far the hardest race, so many frustrated protoss players turn to hacks
i swear you do it on purpose
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I'd say that personality definitely has an impact on what race you play. I'm both a control freak and have intense OCD, so naturally I play terran because I like everything to be precise and calculated.
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Hm, I'm a very passive person, and I generally don't play FPS or other fast-pace games, but I've always mained Zerg because they seemed the most action-packed to watch and play.. guess my personality doesn't reflect my race?
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On September 04 2008 10:29 Skew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 09:51 NonY[rC] wrote:On September 04 2008 09:28 Machine[USA] wrote: i noticed protoss's tend to be hackers, wonder why that is O_O
cuz protoss is by far the hardest race, so many frustrated protoss players turn to hacks i swear you do it on purpose
of course i do it on purpose. <3
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people online say that i'm gay but i don't like protoss so i guess it doesn't determine personality.
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I play Zerg and Terran. I like zerg mobility and controlling waves of zerg units and annihilating the enemy. Always found Terran units themselves cool, like marines and siege tanks, and also the ability to annihilate an opponent's army with one round of tank fire or spider mines. I guess I like to annihilate things.
I disliked Protoss from the beginning cause their units are boring and gay. Seriously what the fuck is a dragoon, it's just ridiculous. At least zerg represents something animalistic and Terran advanced human technology but Protoss units are like a wet dream for fantasy novel dweebs.
As for why Protoss players tend to (map)hack more, I think Protoss has the most to gain from maphack. Their race is designed to have limited intelligence (much like their users?), because with better scouting abilities, they would be too powerful.
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On September 04 2008 10:48 ahole-surprise wrote: I think Protoss has the most to gain from maphack. Their race is designed to have limited intelligence (much like their users?) OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO *clap clap* OH SNAP WHAT ARE TOSS GOING DO NEXT?! How will they retaliate!
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Zerg is lame, they have like no unit variety. Lings, Hydras, Mutas, Ultras, Filers are about it for them.
Terran at least has some shit like paper airplanes, imbarines, imbatanks, vultures, gollies, bcs, and other shit.
And Protoss has probably even more variety than the other two races.
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No
Most korean pro's are proficient in more than one race. They play the race they do because they are slightly better than that race. I don't think it has anything to do with personality.
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On September 04 2008 09:28 Machine[USA] wrote: i noticed protoss's tend to be hackers, wonder why that is O_O
Because protoss has a lot less scouting possibilities than other races. Having map control with protoss is way harder and so some faggots tend to compensate by using maphack.
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On September 04 2008 10:48 ahole-surprise wrote: As for why Protoss players tend to (map)hack more, I think Protoss has the most to gain from maphack. Their race is designed to have limited intelligence (much like their users?), because with better scouting abilities, they would be too powerful.
LMFAO QFT!
In real life i think im sort of an out of the box creative person, but in starcraft however, i play by the book...I don't know why. Maybe i'll be more succesful if i played cheesier..
I"m terran btw too...
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On September 04 2008 10:36 Superiorwolf wrote: people online say that i'm gay but i don't like protoss so i guess it doesn't determine personality.
you're gay
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I play zerg and protoss and can honestly say terran is gaaay. I flank and push break continuously just so I can make terrans feel the pain. I feel "mission accomplished" when I surround and push break them into oblivion, what do you terrans feel riding on the coattail of the turtle cannon?
Seriously. Siege tank is a cannon sticking out of a turtle shell. Goddamn it you're lame! :r
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so thanks for all of the great responses however nobody has yet to deliver a solid post explaining their more definite personality traits and their subsequent race usage in starcraft. so ya...
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On September 04 2008 11:55 Misrah wrote: so thanks for all of the great responses however nobody has yet to deliver a solid post explaining their more definite personality traits and their subsequent race usage in starcraft. so ya... How come not? I'm silly therefore I like zergs because the units are funny ^^
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This sounds stupid but I'm sort of insecure about things, so I play terran alot. I FE and usually turtle in tvp till I'm ready. lol
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On September 04 2008 11:55 Misrah wrote: so thanks for all of the great responses however nobody has yet to deliver a solid post explaining their more definite personality traits and their subsequent race usage in starcraft. so ya...
That's probably because everyone agrees that the idea you created in the OP doesn't relate to anyone else on TL.
Clearly as people are saying, they didn't choose their race due to their personality 
And god I hate being a protoss player so much. We toss players take so much abuse from haters.
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I think that Zerg users generally tend to have the best manner. This might seem ironic to some, given that Zerg is generally regarded to be the "evil, malicious race"; but from my experience, this seems to be the case. I have to admit that Terran users are probably the most BM since they are much more susceptible to frustration, since as the OP mentioned, the race does require such a preciseness of execution to be played effectively, so that any minute errors will often set one back very far.
The bad-mannered Protoss users, on the other hand, have little excuse. They are generally dickwads who actually believe themselves to be possessed of skill.
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On September 04 2008 12:16 AngryGoliath wrote: The bad-mannered Protoss users, on the other hand, have little excuse. They are generally dickwads who actually believe themselves to be possessed of skill.
See what I don't get is how everyone continuously seems to think protoss is so easy mode. If it's so easy, why don't all you people switch to protoss and start winning for a change?
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On September 04 2008 12:19 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 12:16 AngryGoliath wrote: The bad-mannered Protoss users, on the other hand, have little excuse. They are generally dickwads who actually believe themselves to be possessed of skill. See what I don't get is how everyone continuously seems to think protoss is so easy mode. If it's so easy, why don't all you people switch to protoss and start winning for a change? It's arguably the easiest race in terms of learning curve and mechanics compared to the other races - but it's not like there's any significant advantages therefore switching to Protoss wouldn't make you all of a sudden start winning, you'd just feel it easier by far. A 100 APM Protoss can be B, but a 100 APM Terran can be C-/C at tops imo. As well, although Zerg doesn't take incredible mechanics like Terran does - it is much harder because it needs good scouting and decision making just to macro, let alone adapt and develop strategy. You have to see what the opponent is doing to decide ratios of unit/drone counts. Too much in one side will make you lose.
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On September 04 2008 12:26 Superiorwolf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 12:19 -orb- wrote:On September 04 2008 12:16 AngryGoliath wrote: The bad-mannered Protoss users, on the other hand, have little excuse. They are generally dickwads who actually believe themselves to be possessed of skill. See what I don't get is how everyone continuously seems to think protoss is so easy mode. If it's so easy, why don't all you people switch to protoss and start winning for a change? It's arguably the easiest race in terms of learning curve and mechanics compared to the other races - but it's not like there's any significant advantages therefore switching to Protoss wouldn't make you all of a sudden start winning, you'd just feel it easier by far. A 100 APM Protoss can be B, but a 100 APM Terran can be C-/C at tops imo.
I've never seen a 100 apm protoss get to B t.t
For that matter I've never seen a C- Terran have 100 apm.
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KwarK is/was B/B+ Protoss with 105 APM. sMi.Arcology is B or so Protoss with 135 APM.
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I play ZvT, ZvP, and TvZ. In my Zerg match-ups, I have a strange thing for hydralisks and lurkers - I guess I'm a ranged guy.
Someone analyze me plz.
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Protoss is a very simple race to play, just macro well and harass every so often and you win most your games.
Oh, and if I'm having a bad day I can just smash my face against the keyboard and still win.
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On September 04 2008 12:38 Equinox_kr wrote: Oh, and if I'm having a bad day I can just smash my face against the keyboard and still win.
This made me laugh hysterically. Probably a lot more than it should have. Thank you.
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On September 04 2008 12:16 AngryGoliath wrote: I think that Zerg users generally tend to have the best manner. This might seem ironic to some, given that Zerg is generally regarded to be the "evil, malicious race"; but from my experience, this seems to be the case. I have to admit that Terran users are probably the most BM since they are much more susceptible to frustration, since as the OP mentioned, the race does require such a preciseness of execution to be played effectively, so that any minute errors will often set one back very far.
The bad-mannered Protoss users, on the other hand, have little excuse. They are generally dickwads who actually believe themselves to be possessed of skill.
We're just happy to actually not get banned from a non-ICCUP game. stupid zerg mineral hacks giving all Z players a bad rep. I swear, If I knew how to program I would make a terran mineral hack.
On the personality note for the OP, I tend to disagree with your hypothesis. I think that people tend to play whatever race best plays to their own innate strengths. This doesn't only apply to starcraft, people tend to do what they are good at. For example, as a student at the united states military academy, officers generally go to different brances of the army that suite their own abilities. Some officers are great tactically on the battlefield, they tend to gravitate towards the combat arms branches, while the officers who are better at logistics tend to go towards stuff like transpo and quartermaster.
basically people try to set themselves up for success.
Bringing it back to starcraft, I'll use myself as an example. My micro sucks, HARD. And to be perfectly honest, my mechanics leave something to be desired too. However, I feel that I am decent at adapting to what my opponent throws at me. So I play zerg.
If you look at T and P players I'd imagine that they are naturally better at a part of the game that is emphasized by their main race.
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I used to play zerg, but switched to terran because i had trouble vs Psi storm, and everyone was toss...
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Russian Federation386 Posts
In my experience, people choose races they like more. Has nothing to do with the personality.
Personality affects the play style though to some extent.
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lol @ the intelligence remark of toss users -.- There's some saying somewhere:
"Protoss players are dreamers, Terran players are ambitious, and Zerg like sacrifice." Something like that.
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I choose toss because I liked carriers.
Once that got boring I thought, what race is the hardest?.....
I thought zerg looked the hardest. So I choose zerg.
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i wouldnt necessarily say toss is easy mode it's just simplier to micro macro and make decisions as a protoss player
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I play Terran for some of the same reasons the OP's sparring partner does.
- I'm a bit of an elitist when it comes to gaming. I intend to play the race that I feel you have to earn your wins a bit more than the others. I enjoy knowing that when I win, I won through greater difficulty than the next guy. - Boxer and Nada. - I sort of like the idea of the Terran ball, which once it gets big it becomes near unstoppable. - I'd be more satisfied knowing I steamrolled my opponent with pure mechanics than out thinking him with some ingenious cheese maneuver or original build. Although I do enjoy watching said creative play.
I'd say I'm relatively quiet in real life for the most part, a bit elitist, believe in doing things the "hard" way since it's generally the more worthwhile. I also believe in doing things "by the book". I don't seek to create new things and "break the rules" so much as playing within the rules and mastering whatever I'm doing to perfection.
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I've actually had the idea that players of the different races look different. Each race having its own personality is definitely possible -- likely, even -- but I swear that when I watch some pro vods I can tell who plays what race before the game starts just by what they look like
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On September 04 2008 13:32 boongee wrote: I've actually had the idea that players of the different races look different. Each race having its own personality is definitely possible -- likely, even -- but I swear that when I watch some pro vods I can tell who plays what race before the game starts just by what they look like
Lol considering theres only 3 races, its not THAT hard
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On September 04 2008 09:28 Machine[USA] wrote: i noticed protoss's tend to be hackers, wonder why that is O_O
yet zerg minhack, hmmm. oO
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personality effects playstyle, not race imo
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pseudo science can be fun, but not fact.
Just search for the birthday/race thread.
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Reach, Bisu, Anytime in toss. Toss = sexay ppl?
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personality reflects ur style of play and ur aggressiveness. if ur one of those uncertain ppl, ull turtle up aftter takign ur expo and never scout. or if ur like ppl who get all caught up wen one of ur unit dies, then ur like my friend who plays halo alot
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A COMPARISON
Zerg is like kekeke ^^
Terran is all like why yes indeed I do believe this would be the proper course of action
and Protoss is all like MY LIFE FOR AIUR
DRAW YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS
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no. if anything it reflects how good you can get and how fast you will improve.
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No... i dont think its personality that reflects race...
skill does...
btw im impulsive and i do play terran ^^
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I chose terran because i saw boxer replays and vulture, MnM, dropship and wraith micro seemed so much fun! I like zerg, too, because flanking is like vulture micro and muta micro is a lot of fun. I don't like p micro :/ If I had to choose race now I would pick T before they meed their exodus...maybe 1 out of 20 games is TvT these days :/
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On September 04 2008 17:04 REDBLUEGREEN wrote: If I had to choose race now I would pick T before they meed their exodus...maybe 1 out of 20 games is TvT these days :/
In the Korean scene? That must be luck then (or lack thereof), because so many Kors are T. In the foreign scene it's not surprising, Terran is simply too hard to play, it needs too much multitasking (if you think otherwise, you have no idea :p), that's why we only have like 1 or 2 top Terrans (Strelok is very good, and then... uh... then it gets already hard to choose. Maybe BRAT_OK? He did well in TSL but otherwise haven't read anything about him. Fenix? Also just some second-rate top player) while I can count at least 6 or 7 top Protosses who are able to beat anyone (JF, Nony, Dreiven, Draco, White-Ra, Legend, Arew, Cloud, the list goes on and on and on...) and several top Zergs (less than Ps but more than Ts). I really wish people would pay more attention to this "imbalanced" race distribution, and learn about the reason behind it (ease of multitasking), and what should be done in SC2 to make each race equally playable for non-progamers.
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On September 04 2008 08:54 Misrah wrote:
Terran: I think you have to be OCD to play this race because if each and every little single thing isn't prefect nothing is going to work. IMo terran units are too specialized the only thing that is even slightly "all around" is rines that's it. I mean i just cannot understand how people play this race because it drives me into a state of mental psychosis.
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lol hilarious, i think its a bit true anyway . This is a goodthread. I wonder what does your race choice reveals from a doctor in pshychology point of view. And what a bout random?
And i choosed Terran only because of the tank siege , i like the idea of strategy and artillery.
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I prefer protoss due to their versatility. You can actually use all the units on their rooster in any given matchup and still be somewhat efficient, something that's basically not possible with the other two races. I also like microing individual units, which also makes me like terran (with rines in particular) but makes me dislike the group-type micro with zerg. Also, I feel toss have the middle ground approach to expanding; fewer bases than zerg, more than terran. Just enough to feel aggressive and defensive at the same time. How that reflects my personality I'm not sure, but I guess I prefer not to be too aggressive nor too defensive, while at the same time having lots of options. Guess I'm insecure? ;D
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For years there were many fucking awesome non-koreans T's I mean common dude the most recent non-korean to place in a starleague was elky for christ sake, after him every P who has gone has failed ....
NTT,Testie,Andriode,a2, froz, cope, suker, a2 (I think that was his name), hellghost, christian or whatever who placed top 3 wcg ( some bvg I can't remember) ....
dude just off the top of my head I can make your post look stupid.
In the last couple years alot of the very good T's quit playing, while alot of the people who kept playing and improving happend to be protoss, and then the protoss revolution came and P's learned to finally kill a zerg or two along with advancements in macro techniques and strategy ...
"JF, Nony, Dreiven, Draco, White-Ra, Legend, Arew, Cloud" how many of them were considered awesome two years ago .... draco is the only one that was at the top of the non-korean food chain then...
There are more protoss now because the game has been mapped out to such an extent where they are able to learn enough without having as good of scouting (like Z or to a lesser extent T) to be able to counter and treat situations precisely.
That is the hardest part of protoss, unit combinations and timming. Of course there are more protoss now that people can play them correctly!....
but that said there were always alot of great tosses..... leg/nazgul/smuft/grrr and although not as great rekrul... right there you have five tosses that went to korea before and don't forget 2005 fisheye wcg second place.
All three of the races have great achievements in the past 10 years.
The reason there are less good terran players currently is simple, THEY ARE FUCKING BORING. To be a monster TvZ and TvP and TVT requires playing the same two or three strategys over and over and over and over and over again, because they are proven and they work. Terran is boring that is why less non professionals are willing to spend countless hours playing them for no pay!
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In the past, I know... many things were different back then. But I'm looking at the current situation only. After 10 years of this game, and after the "Protoss revolution". It's a bad situation when one race so clearly dominates the foreign scene now. And despite all the talk about "P is only easy for newbies, it's hard on high levels" and so on, it is none other than Protoss which has this success at the high foreign level.
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On September 04 2008 18:37 AttackZerg wrote: For years there were many fucking awesome non-koreans T's I mean common dude the most recent non-korean to place in a starleague was elky for christ sake, after him every P who has gone has failed ....
NTT,Testie,Andriode,a2, froz, cope, suker, a2 (I think that was his name), hellghost, christian or whatever who placed top 3 wcg ( some bvg I can't remember) ....
dude just off the top of my head I can make your post look stupid.
In the last couple years alot of the very good T's quit playing, while alot of the people who kept playing and improving happend to be protoss, and then the protoss revolution came and P's learned to finally kill a zerg or two along with advancements in macro techniques and strategy ...
"JF, Nony, Dreiven, Draco, White-Ra, Legend, Arew, Cloud" how many of them were considered awesome two years ago .... draco is the only one that was at the top of the non-korean food chain then...
There are more protoss now because the game has been mapped out to such an extent where they are able to learn enough without having as good of scouting (like Z or to a lesser extent T) to be able to counter and treat situations precisely.
That is the hardest part of protoss, unit combinations and timming. Of course there are more protoss now that people can play them correctly!....
but that said there were always alot of great tosses..... leg/nazgul/smuft/grrr and although not as great rekrul... right there you have five tosses that went to korea before and don't forget 2005 fisheye wcg second place.
All three of the races have great achievements in the past 10 years.
The reason there are less good terran players currently is simple, THEY ARE FUCKING BORING. To be a monster TvZ and TvP and TVT requires playing the same two or three strategys over and over and over and over and over again, because they are proven and they work. Terran is boring that is why less non professionals are willing to spend countless hours playing them for no pay!
This whole post is true except for the last part where ALL I GOT TO SAY is fuck you Gary Terran is mega cool
But, I'm the kind of guy who holds proper execution above variation in builds to some extent, so even that last bit is a little true
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I was not even speaking about Top foreigners I was talking about my level which is around C-. You just dont get TvT games :/ theres like 1/20 TvT 7/20 TvZ 12/20 TvP :/ ofc situation may be different in korea, china and maybe russia?
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The Top Zergs The Top Terrans and the Top Protoss all lose to each other. Maybe since there are so many more protoss players then terrans it makes for a smaller amount of Top terrans. Have you played iccup between d and c+? ... its got to be about 60% protoss players. Alot of people enjoy the race and since non-koreans CHOOSE to rely on more strategy then mechanics doesn't the most strategically diverse race make sense?.... Look at how unique the top 10 non-korean P's play .... its astounding. I make fun of toss players all the time ... for fun, but its just as hard as every other race.
The S class pro gamers embarrased everybody BUT strelok who put up the only good fight(he should have won). And of the non-koreans who won games against B level/practice partners you have Castro(z),Nony(P),Fenix(p),Handy(T) that isn't bad disribution. AND the Z and T beat koreans P's to boot!
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Valhalla18444 Posts
I do have to say that 90% of Terran is not the build you choose, but the decisions you make over the course of the game. There are right times and wrong times to move out in TvP and TvZ, and a massive amount of possible choices for every aspect of your game after the initial build, and learning this shit is incredibly tricky. That's what keeps it entertaining for Terran players, I guess. There isn't much variety in the builds themselves, but there are endless ways to play Terran~
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I'd have to say that it race choice begins as a personality thing, and then turns into a skill thing. When I first started playing, I played Zerg. I liked the whole idea of massing an army quickly and then surrounding people earlier than they could surround me. But at the time, I realized that I didn't have the micro skills to make effective harassments with mutas or lings. That's when I switched to Protoss. They're less micro reliant, and you don't have to have 400 APM to run somebody over.
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I love you Steve.
OMG I've been playing terran for a 3 days straight to improve my mouse accuracy... holyshit TvP is hard!
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I've started playing Terran recently and its so fucking hard T_T. Before that i was a Protoss player (and i thought THAT was hard )
That makes it all the more fun  I find TvT kinda boring rite now so im staying away from that for the meanwhile...
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I think Terran players are very methodical. Tvp especially, because you have to lay mines, make a good formation, etc. I guess that's why I SUCK. Because I can't win TvP for shit.
Zerg players are probably um... aggressive people? But then you take a look at jaedong and it makes you wonder about that.
Protoss... well, whenever I think of a toss player I think of reach. So i guess protoss players are the most manly.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
i think terran is easy, all i do is execute builds w/ logic behind them tvz and I have enjoyed great succes with that even though I've played Zerg far more and am not even close to as succesfull with that race.
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Norway28598 Posts
i think people who play random are always pretty cool
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i'm pretty aggressive and don't like to take it slow. i also main terran.
what comes of this is that i never do this 'slow push' thing i keep hearing about and i love dropships.
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wow the turnout for this thread has been much more than i had previously expected. But i hope that you all don't mind if i make one more plea to the rest of you TL- Could you please try and formate a few posts like my original so i can get a better understanding of my previous question(s) I may decide to use this interesting question for a school project (because of the overwhelming turnout) and i was wondering if you guys wouldn't mind providing some more concrete data...... thanks?
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im surprised by how many people chose Zerg, simply because it was the race that came least naturally to them and therefore had to improve on certain skills. I was initially very drawn to protoss, however started playing my worst race (zerg) simply because i thought it was a challenge.
PS i dont really get people who say that zerg was the easiest race for them when they started sc, i cannot understand why. (im zerg btw)
Also i am often worried by my lack of natural talent in sc (im one of those ppl who has initial talent at most things), however ive always put this down to the type of driven competitive players that sc draws (the opponents being better), now im wondering if i had picked a race that came more naturally if i would have been more successful ^^
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Netherlands4511 Posts
I picked zerg after watching a bunch of Kimwanchul vs boxer reps back in the day... I thought ZvT was so artfull and amazing I wanted to specialize in it. Also my friend Cope was terran at the time and we both loved the TvZ matchup so it was obvious I should play Z.
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naw
fbh and boxer are =\ both are t, i dont see the similarities but of course i donno them irl
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There's one thing I've always wondered - Why are all the fat ppl always zerg? I swear it I've only seen fat zerg players (and Im not just talking about July), it's weird. There must be a reason for it!
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my general opinions are :
Terran : My race. Terran is manly, tanks stomping shit vultures are fun to harrass with and mines are fun to place. Anoying thing is, you have to think about positioning, when to siege , where to place mines etc, and a toss just A clicks and maybe storms. i like terran builds and buildings and play style. Also being the hardest race ( in my opinion, technically speed and positioning) fulfills my quick hands.
zerg : like a disease across the world, mass expansions, mass units, lots of strategy involved lots of mobilitiy, suiciding zerglings is fun etc. this race as my 2nd.
protoss : easiest to macro with, highest hp units, fewest units. most effective spells really (recall storm) easy to cheese with. Nothing really hard about protoss except for the fact that it can be really hard to defend your bases from a zerg and can be hard to attack terrans in a well fortified position, usualy have to bring something extra to the table.
i would never play protoss, gimpfest
^^ still i like that their in the game so i can rape them
60:40:0 terran:zerg:toss is my preferance
and in answer to the question, yes i do think it reflects personalility
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On September 04 2008 09:18 dickless123 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 08:54 Misrah wrote:
What got me thinking along these lines was my starcraft sparring partner and good friend. whoever tells you otherwise is wrong, starcraft IS a martial art.
Sig-worthy.
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Belgium6766 Posts
I'd say for a lot of people it reflects ... their love for boxer
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Players with most temperament are always Toss, you can see this even nationwide where more temperament nations have more top toss players. Toss players are also usually cool and betterlooking.
Zerg players on the other hand are not aggressive but instead phlegmatic. This also explain why there are more fat zerg guys around.
Terran, hmm I don't know too many terran players but those who come in mind are crazy freaks. And they usually look like ones too. Exception made for Boxer, who looks cool.
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I play Protoss because I like the unit efficiency, as you said in the OP. I don't like throwing away dozens of units (which is why PvT push breaking makes me cry sometimes, and lategame PvZ). I love microing zealots against lings in the early game, goons against early Terran units, etc. I feel like every unit is valuable and has to be taken care of. I also really enjoy the mechanics of PvT, as in using drops and mine drags and etc. I guess I would have to say I'm a micro player, but not the kind that patrols vultures and lays mines or likes to do massive zergling flanks (although when I offrace Z I do that). So I like Protoss.
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On September 04 2008 09:18 dickless123 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2008 08:54 Misrah wrote:
What got me thinking along these lines was my starcraft sparring partner and good friend. whoever tells you otherwise is wrong, starcraft IS a martial art.
Profiled lol.
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I think it does reflect kind of... not all the time... but most of the time I think it does..
for me, it kinda goes like this... I cant never decide on anything or Im always changing my plans or thoughts in life so quick.. like everyday is something new '-___-
Thats prolly why I switched from toss to Terran and then keep playing all 3 races everyday.. like I tell myself one day... I wanna be like mjy and then the next day Im like aggrrr I hate Zerg I wanna be like bo sung.. etc
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Same shit here man with T and Z I can never decide...
But I've been sticking to Z lately because they're very spontaneous and that was the race I chose first when I started playing on iCC.
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Heh. Actually, I started out on protoss because originally it was me and two friends of mine who played regularly; one went zerg, one went terran, and I was stuck trying to pick a race, so I started out by changing races every game pretty much. One of my friends commented that I played zerg like a protoss player, and I played protoss player like a zerg player, meaning when I played zerg, I would make too few units and expect them to win out against everything, thus I would get owned *hard.* When I was protoss, I would make more units and therefore have a stronger army. Plus, we needed a toss player, so...
I think the races go along a power/number spectrum. Zerg are at the numbers end, and protoss are at the power end, and terran are somewhere in the middle. I like to play the power end, so I'm protoss. If any of you guys play Super Smash Bros. Brawl, I play Ike, the slowest and strongest character So I guess it kind of fits.
As to the personalities themselves, I'm not sure if it's really reflections of their race or not. I guess zerg players are probably colder, because units are cheap and expendable, and protoss have to value all their units and not waste them, so they have to be more careful. Terran, as I said before, is a mix of both.
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Terran is like if you got a bomb in ur shoulders that is gonna explodde if u make any stupid movement, u are under pressure all the time ... to play well with it you have to be very creative and a very good self control...
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lol i duno, i kinda player terran the way it shouldn't be played lol. I guess that's why i chose it.... because I play it pretty differently then most terrans, especially TvP where usually im the aggressor rather than the protoss. If your a big bully online and on sites, but really nice in person... does that make you a terran user? :D
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im sorry but every other post in this thread is some idiot claiming some random crap based on 2-3 examples.
all zerg users are fat? what the fuck.
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On September 05 2008 01:34 dream-_- wrote: im sorry but every other post in this thread is some idiot claiming some random crap based on 2-3 examples.
all zerg users are fat? what the fuck.
saviors not fat! ><
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On September 05 2008 02:08 sqwert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2008 01:34 dream-_- wrote: im sorry but every other post in this thread is some idiot claiming some random crap based on 2-3 examples.
all zerg users are fat? what the fuck. saviors not fat! >< i was wondering..........how did chojja ever win an osl against savior??????? Experience > Raw talent ... some time later, Savior gets into his prime because... Refined talent (through experience) > all
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Well I picked Protoss back in the time in 2003 because the best italian player was Cafone and my goal was to beat him with his own race. After 5 years I think I've picked the wrong race though. My bw skills are 90% mechanics, macro and speed, which fits a lot more to terran. Also protoss have to play risky in many situations, and I like playing straight and winning in the late game, so I suppose my pick was the worst among the three. I don't like my race at all actually, and I don't see how it could reflect my personality. I also disagree with all the people saying that the race picks you or w/e. You just pick a race randomly without knowing if it fits you the best or not. No one will ever know if he picked the right race before at least a good year or two of playing in my opinion. But well, I might change to terran or zerg in sc2
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Well i am defiantly getting some better responses thanks TL however this is what i have gathered so far. Plz feel free to flame away if you think that some of my assumptions are incorrect
I guess ill start with my favorite of the three.
Zerg: IMO ( i stress IMO) I think that mostly zerg players are charismatic, outgoing, emotional, and generally strong willed. My Horoscope for western in Sagittarius and for the Chinese zodiac I am a Tiger. I am defiantly a go getter and am really stubborn. I shoot from the hip so to say. I can be slightly arrogant at times, however i generally get along well with people i meet. I believe that these traits IMO show through the best with the zerg play style. For example Zerg's really can't do anything sneaky- ie proxy are pretty much impossible. A zerg is rarely if ever going to beat you with a little sneak attack or some cute micro trick. IMO a zerg 's best asset is simply fighting straight up, straight on gun ho. Zergs don't do anything tricky- they just power units and begin to hammer away at your army wave after wave, until eventually you die. No pretty micro just brute force- that's what i like plain and simple. No tricks, no nothing except honest head on battle. Now from my point of view of the zvp zvt match ups.
ZvP: IMO protoss is a huge pussy and i hate them all. Here is why. I rarely if ever see a protoss just go balls to the wall straight up mid game huge army and roll. No no, i see some pussy DT sair shit or even worse some more pussy reaver sair shit. I see them dropping temps, sitting behind their psi storm and generally being tricky sneaky bastards. Also when a protoss takes an expo- holy shit cannon cannon cannon off one pylon at a choke there. With a templar woo. Also their units are imo worthless assassins. Ie. Sair- fast annoying, great for harrass and being a bitch but not in head on fights. Same with reavers, DT, DA and fucking carrier's. God damn protoss hides behind everything- cloak and recall, and psi storm. When a toss tries to go carriers on me, all they do is run run when i fight them- run so you can get your arb, or your ht or your da. I mean Christ i just can't stand it.
ZvT: Ok well terran are not as bad- however they still succumb to at times being huge pussies. At worse you get a terran who proxies everything, and bunker rushes and does some tricky early drop ship play. Trying to take out my knees and not fight head on. Little bastards. (IMO) Besides that terran start off well- huge group of MnM and get out there and roll. However the head on battles that i enjoy with a terran early game army are short lived. Soon tanks. wtf........ lets just sit 123981345 miles away perfectly safe and blast the shit out of you ok? well that is some bs however i am willing to look past this little problem, because what comes next just brings my piss to a boil. Now this is what for me ruins the whole terran race, and it is the following. That fucking cloud of sci vessles. Need i say more? ohh hell yes. First off those mothers are quick, i mean really quick- so trying to kill them before they go and decide to hover over their sea of MnM is actually quite difficult. Do you know what else is difficult? Watching all of your drones die because two vessles splooged on each other and are now happily fly above your min line killing everything. woo hoo.
Now as far as protoss players personality types: I don't have much to go on so TL im hoping that some of you will help to fill in the blanks
Terran players: same as above I don't know their personality types- TL plz help me fill in this blank as well
Feel free to add/flame anything.
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On September 05 2008 02:26 iG.ClouD wrote:Well I picked Protoss back in the time in 2003 because the best italian player was Cafone and my goal was to beat him with his own race. After 5 years I think I've picked the wrong race though. My bw skills are 90% mechanics, macro and speed, which fits a lot more to terran. Also protoss have to play risky in many situations, and I like playing straight and winning in the late game, so I suppose my pick was the worst among the three. I don't like my race at all actually, and I don't see how it could reflect my personality. I also disagree with all the people saying that the race picks you or w/e. You just pick a race randomly without knowing if it fits you the best or not. No one will ever know if he picked the right race before at least a good year or two of playing in my opinion. But well, I might change to terran or zerg in sc2 ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
My hero ... hates his own race ;_;
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On September 05 2008 02:26 iG.ClouD wrote:Well I picked Protoss back in the time in 2003 because the best italian player was Cafone and my goal was to beat him with his own race. After 5 years I think I've picked the wrong race though. My bw skills are 90% mechanics, macro and speed, which fits a lot more to terran. Also protoss have to play risky in many situations, and I like playing straight and winning in the late game, so I suppose my pick was the worst among the three. I don't like my race at all actually, and I don't see how it could reflect my personality. I also disagree with all the people saying that the race picks you or w/e. You just pick a race randomly without knowing if it fits you the best or not. No one will ever know if he picked the right race before at least a good year or two of playing in my opinion. But well, I might change to terran or zerg in sc2 ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
If we doesnt count first two lines everything else is same to me o_o i would rather play T but its too late for me.
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On September 05 2008 04:57 arew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2008 02:26 iG.ClouD wrote:Well I picked Protoss back in the time in 2003 because the best italian player was Cafone and my goal was to beat him with his own race. After 5 years I think I've picked the wrong race though. My bw skills are 90% mechanics, macro and speed, which fits a lot more to terran. Also protoss have to play risky in many situations, and I like playing straight and winning in the late game, so I suppose my pick was the worst among the three. I don't like my race at all actually, and I don't see how it could reflect my personality. I also disagree with all the people saying that the race picks you or w/e. You just pick a race randomly without knowing if it fits you the best or not. No one will ever know if he picked the right race before at least a good year or two of playing in my opinion. But well, I might change to terran or zerg in sc2 ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif) If we doesnt count first two lines everything else is same to me o_o i would rather play T but its too late for me. fuck man it's never too late...you're just a wuss whos afraid of learning and loosing so much again.
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![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
I used to get better at a really fast rate with Protoss.. since I changed to T its harder for me to get better.. I shoulda sticked with P.. Id probably be a good player
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On September 05 2008 05:36 InfeSteD[rA] wrote:![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif) I used to get better at a really fast rate with Protoss.. since I changed to T its harder for me to get better.. I shoulda sticked with P.. Id probably be a good player
yeah but it feels more rewarding to be a good terran player
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I really wanted to like protoss, their lore, style and CARRIERS certainly appeal to me. However i can't stand moving a ton of goons back and forth, back and forth, it's such an extremely boring 'basic' ground unit and i can totally see why Blizz are excluding them in SC2.
Terran works for me, i personally enjoy TvZ more than TvP, mm with vessels has a certain feel to it which i dig. TvP mech isn't that bad either, tank creeping is the downside, but mapcontrol with crazy bikers is awesome.
Worst thing about terran is loosing your advantage. You work so hard for it so when a main battle is lost to an unlucky mine detonation or whatever, it often tilts you, at least it does me.
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I would have to agree with the op. I really think you have to be a specific kind of person to be able to play terran every game.
Terran and Zerg are like the opposites... just like the OP said.
Also, I love how the OP gave credit to terrans, the race really is was imbalanced. If it wasn't for boxer, blizzard would probably have had to patch it.
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Netherlands4511 Posts
On September 05 2008 04:57 arew wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2008 02:26 iG.ClouD wrote:Well I picked Protoss back in the time in 2003 because the best italian player was Cafone and my goal was to beat him with his own race. After 5 years I think I've picked the wrong race though. My bw skills are 90% mechanics, macro and speed, which fits a lot more to terran. Also protoss have to play risky in many situations, and I like playing straight and winning in the late game, so I suppose my pick was the worst among the three. I don't like my race at all actually, and I don't see how it could reflect my personality. I also disagree with all the people saying that the race picks you or w/e. You just pick a race randomly without knowing if it fits you the best or not. No one will ever know if he picked the right race before at least a good year or two of playing in my opinion. But well, I might change to terran or zerg in sc2 ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif) If we doesnt count first two lines everything else is same to me o_o i would rather play T but its too late for me.
It's not too late at all you are young as hell!
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Ok i've been a T main for a long time but i've always felt that i'm just BETTER at zerg. First off, i procrastinate in real life alot, i don't do stuff till the last minute. I say this because with zerg i kinda feel like i'm just waiting for that lurker upgrade, or crackling ultra, or mutas, or filers and then all of the sudden BAM you're in for a shitstorm.
Also, with zerg i don't feel pressured to micro perfectly like i do with T. I can lose a couple groups of lings and it doesnt matter as much. Not as much pressure really. Also i'm more of a macro kind of guy, and making ass tons of units from hatches is easy for me and once i get rolling with about 4 bases and full upgrades its alot of fun.
Also the final thing i have to say that i like about zerg is the potential to all in in many different ways. I have a kind of "fuck it if this doesnt work who cares" attitude in real life so i'm not afraid to try lots of different all ins and generally i'm more successful with zerg when i play like this.
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I wonder how many psychologists play Starcraft?
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I think when you first select a race, you pick based on traits the race seems to encompass strategically (i.e. Protoss: honor, strength, power) that you identify with on a personal level.
However, once you've had a little experience, I think your preference becomes whichever style of play you like best, with what race do you "naturally" seem to have more success, and/or aesthetically, what do you least mind staring at for the thousands and thousands of hours that many players put into Starcraft.
So, to answer the OP: initially, yes, I think we select based on personality. Once you've played a few games, I think things change.
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On September 04 2008 10:48 ahole-surprise wrote: I play Zerg and Terran. I like zerg mobility and controlling waves of zerg units and annihilating the enemy. Always found Terran units themselves cool, like marines and siege tanks, and also the ability to annihilate an opponent's army with one round of tank fire or spider mines. I guess I like to annihilate things.
I disliked Protoss from the beginning cause their units are boring and gay. Seriously what the fuck is a dragoon, it's just ridiculous. At least zerg represents something animalistic and Terran advanced human technology but Protoss units are like a wet dream for fantasy novel dweebs.
As for why Protoss players tend to (map)hack more, I think Protoss has the most to gain from maphack. Their race is designed to have limited intelligence (much like their users?), because with better scouting abilities, they would be too powerful.
no idea why people bash protoss so much on these forums. imo, protoss is the hardest race and the least gay race, its the only race where you cant win off pure mechanics, you actually need to have a brain to play protoss, z and t is 95% mechanics. i mean i know these days its all about macro/micro, but just because i dont have 250 apm doesnt mean i suck, and when i beat the hundreds of lame 250 apm players when i only have 150, they probably all log onto tl.net and post 'protoss takes no skill, this guy with half my apm just raped me WTFIMBA?' sorry, no, im just a better starcraft player
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protoss cause it's ez and i'm lazy
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ZvT: Ok well terran are not as bad- however they still succumb to at times being huge pussies. At worse you get a terran who proxies everything, and bunker rushes and does some tricky early drop ship play. Trying to take out my knees and not fight head on. Little bastards. (IMO) Besides that terran start off well- huge group of MnM and get out there and roll. However the head on battles that i enjoy with a terran early game army are short lived. Soon tanks. wtf........ lets just sit 123981345 miles away perfectly safe and blast the shit out of you ok? well that is some bs however i am willing to look past this little problem, because what comes next just brings my piss to a boil. Now this is what for me ruins the whole terran race, and it is the following. That fucking cloud of sci vessles. Need i say more? ohh hell yes. First off those mothers are quick, i mean really quick- so trying to kill them before they go and decide to hover over their sea of MnM is actually quite difficult. Do you know what else is difficult? Watching all of your drones die because two vessles splooged on each other and are now happily fly above your min line killing everything. woo hoo. Terran players: same as above I don't know their personality types- TL plz help me fill in this blank as well
Feel free to add/flame anything.
OK, here comes the flame. Terrans being huge pussies? NOT CHARISMATIC??? BOXER?? ILOVEOOV???????
Bunker rush is being a pussy? Damn you can't be higher than D skill. It takes real skill to pull of a bunker rush, that's why Boxer is so epic. Science vessels? I find it damn hard to keep them alive, and you find it hard to kill them. Just play better man. Terrans start of with drop? Nice, it's easy to defend. Zerg starting of with lurker drop? The same thing.
You are too narrow minded and I guess you have never even tried the other races. You can only be good if you play all races.
Terran personality types: BOXER!!!! Do I need to say more?? ILOVEOOV???
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i play mainly terran and zerg primarily.
I play zerg terran style and I play terran zerg style.
Works wonders.
For terran, taking 3-4 bases against a zerg is gg, especially when you equate marine-medic as lurk-ling. My control is pretty good against lurks and mutas these days, and I do lots of drops, so what usually happens is I get BCs and no amount of ultraling can fight that.
For zerg, I usually produce about 18 lings at the beginning to scout and contain, sometimes if I scout 1rax cc with no bunker i use a few lings to harass scvs and bait marines to get flanked followed by muta/hydra. hehehe. I'm generally good with keeping units alive though, especially lings.
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On September 05 2008 04:53 Misrah wrote: Now as far as protoss players personality types: I don't have much to go on so TL im hoping that some of you will help to fill in the blanks
I'm a manipulating asshole with an elitist undertone. I think this fits Protoss players pretty well.
EDIT: The fact that everyone calls our race the pussy race is like adding more sand to our vaginas, so people call us dicks and pussies more, and the cycle keeps repeating.
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On September 04 2008 22:21 ret wrote: i think terran is easy, all i do is execute builds w/ logic behind them tvz and I have enjoyed great succes with that even though I've played Zerg far more and am not even close to as succesfull with that race. 4 raxing foreign z's gives you as much right to talk about racial balance as dt droppers
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I am Better with Protoss, but Zerg is closer to me. The aggresivity where I can outsmart my opponent by tech switches, zerglings all over the map and forcing the other one to adapt reflects my personality...
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personality does affect race and even unit choice from my experience. i guess by how much varies on different people
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On May 05 2010 12:06 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: personality does affect race and even unit choice from my experience. i guess by how much varies on different people Nice contribution, think to check the thread date? -.0
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several threads are being necro'd recently....
I don't think that race reflects personality, it'd show more in the play style.
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Thread necromancy is morally wrong.
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depends, if you like to be aggressive go for zerg, just something like that
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On September 05 2008 23:36 iD.NicKy wrote: protoss cause it's ez and i'm lazy wow Protoss is not easy... just cause a noob won't die in the first 10 min of the game doesn't mean its easier
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Personality doesn't affect race. Interests do. I've played all 3 over the years--during that time, I chose the race that I felt I could be creative with, or aggressive with, or just whatever the current cool race of the time was. I play zerg now b/c of it's possibilities by watching Jaedong. I've played since 98' So, I enforce again, personality doesn't affect race--typically more so after meeting players at LAN events. I think it's the same as asking someone if they think their favorite fruit of the day is affected by their personality.
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protoss is less apm intensive, and I don't see anything particularly wrong with that  Races just play differently and reward different styles in different ways... All 3 have a wide array of strategies available.
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1. I'm lazy 2. I love taking shortcuts 3. I love pissing people off 4. I don't like to practice piano, or anything for that matter 5. I'd rather be eating and sleeping more than anything else
I play protoss.
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There is a very broad definition for personality. But yes, I think it does.
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I can't stand playing Terran more because of their build style than anything. I play zerg only because my friend saw boxer VODs when we were both SC noobs and wanted to bunker rush some zergs. I was practically forced to play zerg so I just stuck with it (he got bored of SC really fast but I kept playing). I offrace protoss occasionally but prefer zerg. I can't think of why I would like zerg exactly, though.
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um no it doesn't... there are only 3 races... yet so many personalities...
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On September 05 2008 23:41 Zoler wrote:
OK, here comes the flame. Terrans being huge pussies? NOT CHARISMATIC??? BOXER?????????? ILOVEOOV???
Fixed(Boxer is waay more notable), In response to the original post: While I don't always like watching someone like Flash, I realize turtling is sometimes integral to terran play. Aggression could be suicide in those cases.
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I was scared of Zerg when I was kid and found them to be very intimidating opponents online, same with Undead in WC3.
So I wanted to be intimidating, and thus I chose Zerg. I'm getting older now though and more chill, having thoughts of switching to Terran...
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I don't know about personalities but i think progamers definitely look like their races for example zerg: jaedong, julyzerg, luxury/yarnc, effort, savior(to lesser extent) toss: reach, bisu, kal, best, garimto terran: tend to just look like normal humans, nada, boxer,flash, etc
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Canada11321 Posts
Well seems as it's been necroed...
I honestly don't know. I was taught on Terran, but switched to Protoss to vary up the races being played in our LAN parties. (And the third friend chose Zerg for similar reasons.) I stayed with Protoss because from other strategy games, I love teching and Protoss is a high tech race. (Age of Empires, Civ II had me fast teching to everything.) I also enjoyed the being sneaky with Reaver, DT, and HT drops and just the pure amount of casters the Protoss had.
The one thing that made me think that there might be something to the personality thing- a fellow joined us in our 6 player LAN party and managed to guess every single one of races- with the exception of one. (Guessed toss, was actually Zerg.) But he couldn't quite say why he thought we played each race.
Terran would be my second race of choice- mostly once I figure out how to use Vultures properly and started dropping. I like to hit where the army is not rather than assaulting head on.
My personality? Dunno, never BMed anyone, fairly level-headed, patient etc.
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Zerg is my favourite and then it's Protoss. I don't know why but I just hate playing as Terran. :0
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On May 05 2010 12:41 YellowEmperor wrote: Personality doesn't affect race. Interests do. I've played all 3 over the years--during that time, I chose the race that I felt I could be creative with, or aggressive with, or just whatever the current cool race of the time was. I play zerg now b/c of it's possibilities by watching Jaedong. I've played since 98' So, I enforce again, personality doesn't affect race--typically more so after meeting players at LAN events. I think it's the same as asking someone if they think their favorite fruit of the day is affected by their personality.
well for me i am usually zerg because they are versitile, volatile and aggresive. but at one point i became cold and misogynistic, so i picked terran because the cold steel of robotic mech felt better for me at the time. i'd mech vs everything, since its a viable strat vs everyone now. and i would REFUSE to make medics, because i was misogynistic. so there you go starcraft race//unit choices reflects personality.
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I think that if I chose a race based on my personality, zerg would be the last race I chose. I would probably play protoss or maybe terran. But I still play zerg because I'm just better with them, don't know why. I've been thinking of switching several times, but I've stayed because of Jaedong.
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On September 04 2008 18:37 AttackZerg wrote: For years there were many fucking awesome non-koreans T's I mean common dude the most recent non-korean to place in a starleague was elky for christ sake, after him every P who has gone has failed ....
NTT,Testie,Andriode,a2, froz, cope, suker, a2 (I think that was his name), hellghost, christian or whatever who placed top 3 wcg ( some bvg I can't remember) ....
When NTT was pwning noobs, testie was getting caught hacking by Chill over and over. Don't put him up there with the good players !
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I play terran because I'm a real sucker for the novel idea that its humans vs aliens etc. It makes it seem ask if you're fighting for survival or something.
That and I heard it was a mechanically demanding race and I'm a real keener....
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Protoss at the beggining, as I remember - I thought that PvZ was imba as a complete newb so I switched to Zerg to see and I stayed with Zerg and then I would switch back to P and back to Z 2 times , until I stayed with Z for good, I don`t regret a single bit of that now
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Canada2480 Posts
GGplay then Jaedong made me play zerg
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smart aliens can suck a dick. Bug race has no emotion or will, they only survive and serve the hive to further their existence. humans are boring.
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Live for the Swarm! And no, it doesn't.
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im an asshole. thats why im toss
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Korea (South)11573 Posts
On May 06 2010 11:46 StorrZerg wrote: Julyzerg, my hero.
shut your mouth.
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i played zerg at first because it seemed like the hardest race to win with, and i didnt want to take an easy path to victory, i wanted to overwhelm my opponents with superior bw playing ability. after a while i switched some matchups to protoss because i liked being in control of the game constantly, with a strong mobile force. i loved the mobility of zerg in zvp, but not so much in zvt, and eventually pvz became my favorite matchup (invincible armies with storm and archons yeah!). ive played zvp pvz pvt now for most of my bw experience.
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is awesome32271 Posts
yes, protoss are fags usually.
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On May 06 2010 12:24 IntoTheWow wrote: yes, protoss are fags usually. Terrans are whiners ^^
On May 05 2010 13:09 phosphorylation wrote: I don't know about personalities but i think progamers definitely look like their races for example zerg: jaedong, julyzerg, luxury/yarnc, effort, savior(to lesser extent) toss: reach, bisu, kal, best, garimto terran: tend to just look like normal humans, nada, boxer,flash, etc lol toss=handsome race
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nada boxer hwasin pretty handsome imo zergs tend to be ugly though. thezerg zergbong julyzerg
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I doubt personality has a large effect on race choice in starcraft; playstyles and unit preferences would probably be a more accurate statement (to me at least).
On May 06 2010 12:46 lowbright wrote: nada boxer hwasin pretty handsome imo zergs tend to be ugly though. thezerg zergbong julyzerg
Its funny how they all have zerg in their names.
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I think personality can affect race in the way that personality affects playing preferences. Your personality or experience plays somewhat of a role in what kind of person you want to be in the game. A single personality trait in itself is not enough to justify playing a single race though.
For example: 1. A laid-back guy likes to play Terran because he enjoys the comfort of remaining in-base and slowly pushing out, exemplifying his personality. 2. A laid-back guy likes to play Zerg because he feels he wants a more exciting atmosphere in-game as opposed to his normal daily life.
So I think it can, but not in any sort of concrete, linear fashion.
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i always been a terran since i love the terran lore, music, and their turtling nature. very defensive and well balanced units. idk if personality has anything to do with this lol but preference matters definitely. less thinking more playing ;D
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noobs play protoss pussies play terran retards play zerg
random players have MPD.

On September 05 2008 22:16 daz wrote: no idea why people bash protoss so much on these forums. imo, protoss is the hardest race and the least gay race, its the only race where you cant win off pure mechanics, you actually need to have a brain to play protoss, z and t is 95% mechanics. i mean i know these days its all about macro/micro, but just because i dont have 250 apm doesnt mean i suck, and when i beat the hundreds of lame 250 apm players when i only have 150, they probably all log onto tl.net and post 'protoss takes no skill, this guy with half my apm just raped me WTFIMBA?' sorry, no, im just a better starcraft player
1a2a3a is pure mechanics friend xD
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the protoss are more sophisticated and elegant for a more civilized age.
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basically its more or less Obnoxious stubborn people play zerg Lazy incompetent people play protoss Self important crybabies play terran
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Protoss are pussies, degenerates, and druggies (need I link Nony's fpvods?). Zerg are girly men, squishy purple creep mongers, and sexually naive perverts. Terran are smart, confident, sexy, foxy baller, badass. A race for real men and chicks with "apm".
I play Terran.
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On May 06 2010 14:36 mmp wrote: Protoss are pussies, degenerates, and druggies (need I link Nony's fpvods?). Zerg are girly men, squishy purple creep mongers, and sexually naive perverts. Terran are smart, confident, sexy, foxy baller, badass. A race for real men and chicks with "apm".
I play Terran. oh i forgot to mention 'extremely overcompensating for something' for terrans
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On May 06 2010 14:41 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 14:36 mmp wrote: Protoss are pussies, degenerates, and druggies (need I link Nony's fpvods?). Zerg are girly men, squishy purple creep mongers, and sexually naive perverts. Terran are smart, confident, sexy, foxy baller, badass. A race for real men and chicks with "apm".
I play Terran. oh i forgot to mention 'extremely overcompensating for something' for terrans
All right. NOW we have ourselves a genuine internet thread.
+ Show Spoiler +I FUCKED YOUR MOTHER WITH AN ARCLITE SHOCK CANNON
Let's do this, Protoss scum.
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On May 06 2010 14:41 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 14:36 mmp wrote: Protoss are pussies, degenerates, and druggies (need I link Nony's fpvods?). Zerg are girly men, squishy purple creep mongers, and sexually naive perverts. Terran are smart, confident, sexy, foxy baller, badass. A race for real men and chicks with "apm".
I play Terran. oh i forgot to mention 'extremely overcompensating for something' for terrans
Apparently overcompensating is not such a bad thing
Terran for life.
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On May 06 2010 14:41 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 14:36 mmp wrote: Protoss are pussies, degenerates, and druggies (need I link Nony's fpvods?). Zerg are girly men, squishy purple creep mongers, and sexually naive perverts. Terran are smart, confident, sexy, foxy baller, badass. A race for real men and chicks with "apm".
I play Terran. oh i forgot to mention 'extremely overcompensating for something' for terrans
Somebody has to play terran I might as well make a game of it. Plus I love the mech.
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Russian Federation1381 Posts
I think so. I feel that there is something that connects all zerg players, behavior maybe or appearance, maybe overmind is real in a way.
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On May 06 2010 14:49 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 14:41 TheAntZ wrote:On May 06 2010 14:36 mmp wrote: Protoss are pussies, degenerates, and druggies (need I link Nony's fpvods?). Zerg are girly men, squishy purple creep mongers, and sexually naive perverts. Terran are smart, confident, sexy, foxy baller, badass. A race for real men and chicks with "apm".
I play Terran. oh i forgot to mention 'extremely overcompensating for something' for terrans All right. NOW we have ourselves a genuine internet thread. + Show Spoiler +I FUCKED YOUR MOTHER WITH AN ARCLITE SHOCK CANNON Let's do this, Protoss scum.
you better not start what you cant finish + Show Spoiler +I DT DROPPED YOUR MOTHERS BACKYARD EXPO U KNO HUM SAYIN?? bring it on you turtling rascal
On May 06 2010 14:53 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 14:41 TheAntZ wrote:On May 06 2010 14:36 mmp wrote: Protoss are pussies, degenerates, and druggies (need I link Nony's fpvods?). Zerg are girly men, squishy purple creep mongers, and sexually naive perverts. Terran are smart, confident, sexy, foxy baller, badass. A race for real men and chicks with "apm".
I play Terran. oh i forgot to mention 'extremely overcompensating for something' for terrans Somebody has to play terran I might as well make a game of it.  Plus I love the mech.
I play terran too! (or well...random) I'm overcompensating for having played protoss earlier =D
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I think with terrans you do the micro when not fighting, you setup a defense and such. With protoss you do the micro while fighting.
And with zerg is just 90% macro...
But then again im biased since i dont play tvz.
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On May 06 2010 15:14 exeexe wrote: I think with terrans you do the micro when not fighting, you setup a defense and such. With protoss you do the micro while fighting.
And with zerg is just 90% macro...
But then again im biased since i dont play tvz. dude have you played zvt? its like 90% micro lol. Muta micro lurkerling flanks and finally defiler/lurker/ling micro then ultralisks come out, and THEN its only macro
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On May 06 2010 15:04 TheAntZ wrote: bring it on you turtling rascal
YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE GOT CHEESEBURGERS LEAKIN OUT HER VENTRAL SACS YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE NEEDS GRAVITIC BOOSTERS TO TAKE A SHIT YO MAMA SO FAT, YOU DON'T WARP HER IN, SHE WARPS YOU
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Australia3119 Posts
protoss = handsome terran = nerd ragers zerg = most of em are chill
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I play random, does this mean I'm indecisive, lazy or greedy?
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On May 06 2010 15:25 mmp wrote:YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE GOT CHEESEBURGERS LEAKIN OUT HER VENTRAL SACS YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE NEEDS GRAVITIC BOOSTERS TO TAKE A SHIT YO MAMA SO FAT, YOU DON'T WARP HER IN, SHE WARPS YOU
YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE MOVES SLOWER THEN A QUEEN OFF CREEP YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A COLOSSUS CANT MOUNT HER YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A DROPSHIP THAT JUST CARRIED A THOR GOES "HEELL NAWW" WHEN TOLD TO CARRY HER
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On May 06 2010 14:31 TheAntZ wrote: basically its more or less Obnoxious stubborn people play zerg Lazy incompetent people play protoss Self important crybabies play terran
Pretty damn accurate
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On May 06 2010 16:30 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 15:25 mmp wrote:On May 06 2010 15:04 TheAntZ wrote: bring it on you turtling rascal
YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE GOT CHEESEBURGERS LEAKIN OUT HER VENTRAL SACS YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE NEEDS GRAVITIC BOOSTERS TO TAKE A SHIT YO MAMA SO FAT, YOU DON'T WARP HER IN, SHE WARPS YOU YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE MOVES SLOWER THEN A QUEEN OFF CREEP YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A COLOSSUS CANT MOUNT HER YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A DROPSHIP THAT JUST CARRIED A THOR GOES "HEELL NAWW" WHEN TOLD TO CARRY HER
Your 1a2a3a is weak.
YO MAMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE TRIES TO MERGE THE GAME STACK OVERFLOWS YO MAMA SO STUPID, SHE COUNTERS THOR DROP WITH 4POOL YO MAMA SO UGLY, NO ONE WANTS TO FUCK HER EXCEPT YO DADDY + Show Spoiler +YO DADDY SO STUPID, HE FUCKED YO MAMA
YO MAMA SO FAT STUPID AND UGLY, SHE CHOKES TRYING TO EAT HER OWN HALLUCINATION
What ya got, bitch?
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On May 06 2010 18:20 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 16:30 TheAntZ wrote:On May 06 2010 15:25 mmp wrote:On May 06 2010 15:04 TheAntZ wrote: bring it on you turtling rascal
YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE GOT CHEESEBURGERS LEAKIN OUT HER VENTRAL SACS YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE NEEDS GRAVITIC BOOSTERS TO TAKE A SHIT YO MAMA SO FAT, YOU DON'T WARP HER IN, SHE WARPS YOU YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE MOVES SLOWER THEN A QUEEN OFF CREEP YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A COLOSSUS CANT MOUNT HER YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A DROPSHIP THAT JUST CARRIED A THOR GOES "HEELL NAWW" WHEN TOLD TO CARRY HER Your 1a2a3a is weak. YO MAMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE TRIES TO MERGE THE GAME STACK OVERFLOWS YO MAMA SO STUPID, SHE COUNTERS THOR DROP WITH 4POOL YO MAMA SO UGLY, NO ONE WANTS TO FUCK HER EXCEPT YO DADDY + Show Spoiler +YO DADDY SO STUPID, HE FUCKED YO MAMA YO MAMA SO FAT STUPID AND UGLY, SHE CHOKES TRYING TO EAT HER OWN HALLUCINATION What ya got, bitch?
Your yo mama is weak Why are you so weak? because you lack...wit
YO MAMA SO STUPID SHE MADE CORRUPTORS TO COUNTER MARAUDERS YO MAMA SO UGLY, WHEN A MARAUDER SAW HER HE TORE HIS EYES OUT CUZ "THEY WAS IN A WORLD O' HURT" YO MAMA SO FAT IT TAKES 290 NUKE SHOTS JUST TO COVER HER ENTIRE SURFACE AREA YO MAMA SO STUPID, BITCH DROWNED IN A SPAWNING POOL (wtf thats like 2 feet deep) YO MAMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE BURROWS THE ENTIRE MAP CRACKS
sup ho
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On May 06 2010 19:29 TheAntZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 18:20 mmp wrote:On May 06 2010 16:30 TheAntZ wrote:On May 06 2010 15:25 mmp wrote:On May 06 2010 15:04 TheAntZ wrote: bring it on you turtling rascal
YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE GOT CHEESEBURGERS LEAKIN OUT HER VENTRAL SACS YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE NEEDS GRAVITIC BOOSTERS TO TAKE A SHIT YO MAMA SO FAT, YOU DON'T WARP HER IN, SHE WARPS YOU YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE MOVES SLOWER THEN A QUEEN OFF CREEP YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A COLOSSUS CANT MOUNT HER YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A DROPSHIP THAT JUST CARRIED A THOR GOES "HEELL NAWW" WHEN TOLD TO CARRY HER Your 1a2a3a is weak. YO MAMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE TRIES TO MERGE THE GAME STACK OVERFLOWS YO MAMA SO STUPID, SHE COUNTERS THOR DROP WITH 4POOL YO MAMA SO UGLY, NO ONE WANTS TO FUCK HER EXCEPT YO DADDY + Show Spoiler +YO DADDY SO STUPID, HE FUCKED YO MAMA YO MAMA SO FAT STUPID AND UGLY, SHE CHOKES TRYING TO EAT HER OWN HALLUCINATION What ya got, bitch? Your yo mama is weak Why are you so weak? because you lack...wit YO MAMA SO STUPID SHE MADE CORRUPTORS TO COUNTER MARAUDERS YO MAMA SO UGLY, WHEN A MARAUDER SAW HER HE TORE HIS EYES OUT CUZ "THEY WAS IN A WORLD O' HURT" YO MAMA SO FAT IT TAKES 290 NUKE SHOTS JUST TO COVER HER ENTIRE SURFACE AREA YO MAMA SO STUPID, BITCH DROWNED IN A SPAWNING POOL (wtf thats like 2 feet deep) YO MAMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE BURROWS THE ENTIRE MAP CRACKS sup ho
You suck at this.
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they relate to pokemon.. :l
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Ok I don't know what happened to this thread but I'm going to give my input.
I've been playing scbw for almost 10 years now, but I still haven't settled on a race. Mainly because I play sporadically, and on fastest, and it just never felt like I cared enough.
But now I think I'm going to have to sit down and choose. I like the idea that your personality reflects what race you are playing, because indeed, I will completely agree that different people's personalities will cause them to like different races more.
In my experience, I have had the best time playing protoss. Why? At least at the level that I play on (noob-average level, and on fastest) Most noobs enjoy protoss (as I am one) because, the units are strong, you can mass zealots and win easily, plus goons are easy to use.
But on a personality level, I think protoss also matches mine quite well. I've tried playing terran for the past few days, and while it's been a lot of fun, I have to say that I am quite disappointed by their mobility. While I have made tremendous use of dropships, even winning many games with them, it still feels like, I am always stuck in my base, and always scared to move out.
Furthermore, I feel like my base is always vulnerable to attack. With Protoss, I put down a few cannons and don't worry about it for a bit. With terran, not only do you have to turret, but also put a few tanks down as well.
And zerg... while I have had a lot of fun massing mutas and hydras, I can't seem to play consistently with them. In addition, playing zerg, in my opinion, requires a very strong sense of timing, because without that ability your army will literally get ripped into shreds.
I think my personality is rather reserved, but I enjoy attacking a lot. However, I don't like the sense of having a million bases... I can't keep track of everything! So perhaps protoss should be my main race. Anyway, thanks for this thread, made me realize... i should stop playing terran lol. Even though using siege tanks is very satisfying, I'm just tired of getting my army ripped to shreds every time it's out of place or something.
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Personality definitely has something to do with it. I insist on playing random though.
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i don't like zvz or tvt so i play protoss. if it weren't for tvt's high chance of turning into a super long game. i woulda went T.
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On May 07 2010 11:19 mmp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2010 19:29 TheAntZ wrote:On May 06 2010 18:20 mmp wrote:On May 06 2010 16:30 TheAntZ wrote:On May 06 2010 15:25 mmp wrote:On May 06 2010 15:04 TheAntZ wrote: bring it on you turtling rascal
YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE GOT CHEESEBURGERS LEAKIN OUT HER VENTRAL SACS YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE NEEDS GRAVITIC BOOSTERS TO TAKE A SHIT YO MAMA SO FAT, YOU DON'T WARP HER IN, SHE WARPS YOU YO MAMA SO FAT, SHE MOVES SLOWER THEN A QUEEN OFF CREEP YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A COLOSSUS CANT MOUNT HER YO MAMA SO FAT, EVEN A DROPSHIP THAT JUST CARRIED A THOR GOES "HEELL NAWW" WHEN TOLD TO CARRY HER Your 1a2a3a is weak. YO MAMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE TRIES TO MERGE THE GAME STACK OVERFLOWS YO MAMA SO STUPID, SHE COUNTERS THOR DROP WITH 4POOL YO MAMA SO UGLY, NO ONE WANTS TO FUCK HER EXCEPT YO DADDY + Show Spoiler +YO DADDY SO STUPID, HE FUCKED YO MAMA YO MAMA SO FAT STUPID AND UGLY, SHE CHOKES TRYING TO EAT HER OWN HALLUCINATION What ya got, bitch? Your yo mama is weak Why are you so weak? because you lack...wit YO MAMA SO STUPID SHE MADE CORRUPTORS TO COUNTER MARAUDERS YO MAMA SO UGLY, WHEN A MARAUDER SAW HER HE TORE HIS EYES OUT CUZ "THEY WAS IN A WORLD O' HURT" YO MAMA SO FAT IT TAKES 290 NUKE SHOTS JUST TO COVER HER ENTIRE SURFACE AREA YO MAMA SO STUPID, BITCH DROWNED IN A SPAWNING POOL (wtf thats like 2 feet deep) YO MAMA SO FAT, WHEN SHE BURROWS THE ENTIRE MAP CRACKS sup ho You suck at this. A couple of them got a chuckle out of me.
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