[OFFICIAL] Savior dropped to CJ Team B!!

On June 26 2008 07:32 Dromar wrote:
Could someone explain to me the difference between A team and B team? Does this mean he won't be playing in proleague?

On June 26 2008 07:27 BlackStar wrote:
What does this mean exactly? Does this mean Savior will practice vs other B team players rather than A team? If so, is that really better for him?

Will winning in training vs weaker players or practicing more really fix his problem? I mean, what is his problem?

On June 26 2008 07:43 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Thank fucking God. It worked wonders for Much, now let's see some life back into my Maestro.

On June 26 2008 07:20 Superiorwolf wrote:
YES! Finally, maybe he will finally start picking up his game! He should have done the drop himself though, like XellOs and Much did.

On June 26 2008 07:41 clazziquai wrote:
Savior, I understand
But why Darkelf?

On June 26 2008 08:04 clazziquai wrote:
DAMN Much too was on the B team at one point?
When was this?

I am so missing out lol.

On June 26 2008 08:13 LosingID8 wrote:
it also states that savior will remain on the B-team until he gets past the qualifiers of both the MSL and OSL.

On June 26 2008 08:13 LosingID8 wrote:
fomos article seems to say that moving savior to the B-team was a coaching decision, not voluntary.

it also says that B-team life in CJ Entus is much stricter. mandatory 10 hours a day of practice, internet use is prohibited other than freetime, etc.

it also states that savior will remain on the B-team until he gets past the qualifiers of both the MSL and OSL.

On June 26 2008 08:13 LosingID8 wrote:
fomos article seems to say that moving savior to the B-team was a coaching decision, not voluntary.

it also says that B-team life in CJ Entus is much stricter. mandatory 10 hours a day of practice, internet use is prohibited other than freetime, etc.

it also states that savior will remain on the B-team until he gets past the qualifiers of both the MSL and OSL.

On June 26 2008 08:29 ForAdun wrote:


10 hours... no wonder CJ members are all so pale compared to say KTF or SKT members.
10 hours is too much, it can destroy someone's health completely.

On June 26 2008 08:35 OhThatDang wrote:
maybe hell get the adrenaline rush

On June 26 2008 08:34 Wizard wrote:

no it can't

On June 26 2008 08:29 ForAdun wrote:


10 hours... no wonder CJ members are all so pale compared to say KTF or SKT members.
10 hours is too much, it can destroy someone's health completely.

On June 26 2008 08:44 Goosey wrote:


Anyone know if CJ does the hour of physical exercise like the eStro team does? I don't know if this is standard across all teams or not.. (but it seems like a really really good idea)

On June 26 2008 07:48 Equinox_kr wrote:


It's time for a fucking epic comeback

MA JAE YOON I BELIEVE

On June 26 2008 08:13 LosingID8 wrote:
fomos article seems to say that moving savior to the B-team was a coaching decision, not voluntary.

it also says that B-team life in CJ Entus is much stricter. mandatory 10 hours a day of practice, internet use is prohibited other than freetime, etc.

it also states that savior will remain on the B-team until he gets past the qualifiers of both the MSL and OSL.

On June 26 2008 09:15 Jyvblamo wrote:
Good. Savior was beginning to become embarrassing.

On June 26 2008 09:04 SoMuchBetter wrote:


wheres kespa because quiet honestly progamer schedules are disgusting and they need regulating.

if youre awake, youre practicing. 7 days a week.

On June 26 2008 09:28 Mynock wrote:
Nooooo! My hero!

Why!? DarkElf!!


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Oh, and that other guy...

On June 26 2008 08:29 ForAdun wrote:


10 hours... no wonder CJ members are all so pale compared to say KTF or SKT members.
10 hours is too much, it can destroy someone's health completely.

On June 26 2008 08:04 clazziquai wrote:
DAMN Much too was on the B team at one point?
When was this?

I am so missing out lol.

On June 26 2008 08:13 LosingID8 wrote:
fomos article seems to say that moving savior to the B-team was a coaching decision, not voluntary.

it also says that B-team life in CJ Entus is much stricter. mandatory 10 hours a day of practice, internet use is prohibited other than freetime, etc.

it also states that savior will remain on the B-team until he gets past the qualifiers of both the MSL and OSL.

On June 26 2008 09:39 HaLLeBaRy wrote:


It's also no wonder that every team has about 10 hours practice time LOL
OWNED

On June 26 2008 11:08 gnuvince wrote:
I started watching the Pro Starcraft a couple months after his defeat to Bisu, so I don't know how hot he was before, but I sure hope to get to see that.

On June 26 2008 10:26 ForAdun wrote:


8 hours in team Estro. What owned...? ...

On June 26 2008 11:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:

estro gets like 11.5 hours practice I think

On June 26 2008 10:26 ForAdun wrote:


8 hours in team Estro. What owned...? ...

On June 26 2008 11:08 gnuvince wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to start him off with a few weeks off completely to recharge his batteries and then bring him on the B-Team to build him back from the ground up? It seems to me the problem is not that his fingers don't move fast enough or that he doesn't remember build orders, it's that his mind is completely exhausted and needs to break for a while.

I started watching the Pro Starcraft a couple months after his defeat to Bisu, so I don't know how hot he was before, but I sure hope to get to see that.

sAviOr fighting (back)!

On June 26 2008 11:17 Jumperer wrote:
savior is burned out and he need to take a break. CJ is going to ruin him completely with this move. You can't just practice 24/7 at something without burning out completely.

On June 26 2008 11:57 Wizard wrote:

I don't think he's burned out at all. I think after winning osl, winning msl, winning title after title, he has nothing to work towards.

On June 26 2008 11:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


He was very, very, very hot.
+ Show Spoiler +

On June 26 2008 08:43 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


for once.

ba dum psh*

On June 26 2008 11:49 B1nary wrote:


Idra posted a little while ago that it was 10.5. I don't remember which thread it was in.

On June 18 2008 00:14 IdrA wrote:
im not sure where the 8 hours thing started, i think i must have misspoken in my interview.
we have 11.5 hours scheduled practice 6 days a week, and most people practice on their own on free days/during free time.

On June 26 2008 12:07 MTF wrote:


Yeah, but you really had to actually watch a full game of him playing to see it all. He was a master at the waiting and timing games, which fell through after his crushing defeat to Bisu. He played smart and seemingly intuitively during those times...

I hope the move to the B team helps. I really, really, realllllly do.

O, and I can't remember exactly when it happened (I think it was after the loss to Bisu, actually), but this is something I would definitely put in a Savior highlight:

Before this video starts, the Terran finds the base at one o'clock. Savior has four Lurks up in that area, two of which he burrows to catch the M&M moving towards the base. I'll call them Distractions. The other two he sends up higher, and burrows nearby the natural. I'll call them Surprise Sex. STC moves his M&M force up, and retreats upon being fired at by Distractions, the ones further out.

After STC retreats, Savior unburrows Distractions and puts them on top of the ramp. This is where the video (and the Surprise Sexing) starts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hH2Wl168qE

I'd also highly recommend checking out VODs of his OSL games, namely the oft mentioned Savior vs Iris Game 5 and the entire vs Nada finals.

(Each of those is a link to games. :p)

On June 26 2008 10:33 tKd_ wrote:
soon ggplay will be B team too i bet

On June 26 2008 12:48 dinmsab wrote:


GGplay doesnt even deserve to be in team C.... if CJ has one

Poor maestro though, did he get kicked out of his room?

On June 26 2008 07:27 BlackStar wrote:
What does this mean exactly? Does this mean Savior will practice vs other B team players rather than A team? If so, is that really better for him?

Will winning in training vs weaker players or practicing more really fix his problem? I mean, what is his problem?

On June 26 2008 12:30 HaLLeBaRy wrote:

was that against hwasin? it sais stx for the other team

On June 26 2008 12:06 TW WiNNinG 54 wrote:


At least itll open up my B League dream match of Savior v Idra. Savior ftw.

On June 26 2008 12:57 Vasoline73 wrote:
Good for Savior. This will only make him better like Much and Xellos

On June 26 2008 13:37 Scaramanga wrote:
Dosent this mean he'll start to play in the minor leauges vs other b team players?

On June 26 2008 13:50 Southlight wrote:
To put things in perspective, Ho Jing Ho, Kang Min and Reach have not been demoted.

But Ma Jae Yoon has.

On June 26 2008 13:50 Southlight wrote:
To put things in perspective, Ho Jing Ho, Kang Min and Reach have not been demoted.

But Ma Jae Yoon has.

On June 26 2008 14:15 Southlight wrote:
Being demoted to B team is basically "so long, you're essentially a detriment to our team." I know it's CJ Powerhouse (-_-) team we're talking about, but still, I have to think this is the finishing blow to Savior.

On June 26 2008 11:57 Wizard wrote:
I don't think he's burned out at all. I think after winning osl, winning msl, winning title after title, he has nothing to work towards. He has no real goals. Added some luxury I would assume being on the A team and being an accomplished player, he probably wasted a lot of time not practicing [while still minimal due to the control on training] and thus has fallen even more. It's a lack of motivation to practice imo, and this is the correct move by the coaching staff to force him back into it.

On June 26 2008 14:08 MTF wrote:


Though I'm not saying you don't have a point regardless, it is worth noting that CJ and KTF are not the same team or coached by the same people. :p

KTF is partly fueled by name/aesthetic power, after all. : x Demoting deeply rooted, good looking advertising/fangirl machines would probably be a bad idea.

On June 26 2008 14:59 moebius_string wrote:
Good, he needs to put the time in and rework his whole game from scratch. Where he was there just was no motivation for him to change.

On June 26 2008 07:24 grobo wrote:
I kinda saw this coming, hopefully this will force him to put some more effort into it.

btw. where did you hear this? a source would be nice.

On June 26 2008 07:41 clazziquai wrote:
Savior, I understand
But why Darkelf?

On June 26 2008 20:13 ForAdun wrote:


What the, I thought team Estro seemed more interested in having healthy gamers from what Daniel Lee said in an interview. Guess I was wrong, they're even practicing in their free time? They're stupid, and the coaches have to read some good books about learning. The learning effect ends after about 7-8 hours of practice/day no matter what you're learning. Muscle memory stops at about 6 hours already. That's a protective function from the brain, it starts filtering most of the information and even though you can still think and understand you can't memorize most of it anymore.
The only reason they keep playing after 8 hours is that they're addicted. They don't know what else to do. They should better use the 2 extra hours for sports/exercises/rest/anything but not gaming.
This is retarded. That way they definitely will destroy their own health, step by step.

On June 26 2008 20:27 HaLLeBaRy wrote:

lol since when is there a restriction to learning? Where did you get this nonsense

On June 26 2008 20:13 ForAdun wrote:


What the, I thought team Estro seemed more interested in having healthy gamers from what Daniel Lee said in an interview. Guess I was wrong, they're even practicing in their free time? They're stupid, and the coaches have to read some good books about learning. The learning effect ends after about 7-8 hours of practice/day no matter what you're learning. Muscle memory stops at about 6 hours already. That's a protective function from the brain, it starts filtering most of the information and even though you can still think and understand you can't memorize most of it anymore.
The only reason they keep playing after 8 hours is that they're addicted. They don't know what else to do. They should better use the 2 extra hours for sports/exercises/rest/anything but not gaming.
This is retarded. That way they definitely will destroy their own health, step by step.

On June 26 2008 23:22 ForAdun wrote:
@ dinmsab

Are you saying you were able to stay healthy and fit while studying 12 hours a day? I mean like doing sports, eating at normal times, getting enough sleep, having a good condition, no signs of weakness, no long-term tiredness, no taking drugs/else to stay focused, etc.?

On June 26 2008 20:13 ForAdun wrote:
What the, I thought team Estro seemed more interested in having healthy gamers from what Daniel Lee said in an interview. Guess I was wrong, they're even practicing in their free time? They're stupid, and the coaches have to read some good books about learning. The learning effect ends after about 7-8 hours of practice/day no matter what you're learning. Muscle memory stops at about 6 hours already. That's a protective function from the brain, it starts filtering most of the information and even though you can still think and understand you can't memorize most of it anymore.
The only reason they keep playing after 8 hours is that they're addicted. They don't know what else to do. They should better use the 2 extra hours for sports/exercises/rest/anything but not gaming.
This is retarded. That way they definitely will destroy their own health, step by step.

On June 27 2008 00:07 Chromyne wrote:
I'm quite sure football (soccer) is a real sport, and I don't think you have to play "real sports" to live a healthy life. Walking is a perfectly good way to exercise (and there is less wear on the body). And if playing soccer twice a week is better than nothing, then it obviously counts as something. If he can get meaningful cardio workout 3-4 times a week, that is great. I'm not saying his lifestyle if healthy, but it's not bad for an aspiring student.

On June 27 2008 02:22 moebius_string wrote:
Savior is not some delicate thing thats going to crumble from a demotion. If you suck, you suck, the team should not be in the business of playing favorites. What sport team is going to keep you on the starting line up for long if you can't perform?

On June 27 2008 02:23 skindzer wrote:


KTF?

On June 27 2008 02:23 skindzer wrote:


KTF?

On June 27 2008 02:43 moebius_string wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

On June 27 2008 02:43 moebius_string wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

On June 27 2008 03:07 SlickR12345 wrote:
Can anyone inputted in this explain what is the difference between A team and B team is?
Anyways 10 hours without pause is a bit too much, 8 or 9 hours is the standard with a big pause half the hours but straight 10 hours with no relax/pause is a bit too much.
Does anyone know how many hours other teams practice?

On June 27 2008 02:43 moebius_string wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

On June 27 2008 01:30 ForAdun wrote:
lol yeah sorry, I forgot the actual topic over that talk. I think it's such an important topic, but yeah I should make a new thread if I feel it's neccessary.

About Savior, I can only see him improving in the B team, I don't know why it's considered such a bad thing. Much improved a lot when he joined the B team and I think XellOs, too. I only hope Savior hasn't given up yet, he's one of the few remaining zerg to mix into the current t/p dominance. I don't even know whether t or p is more dominant right now, it's so strange oO.
Maybe Savior's fall has got to do with the overall score of zerg nowadays... I think Jaedong and Luxury can change things, all zerg will follow into their footsteps and copy their play and since Savior is already one top gamer he has easier times to do so.

On June 27 2008 01:32 SkelA wrote:
cant imagine savior scrubing floors every day lol!!

On June 27 2008 02:43 moebius_string wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

On June 27 2008 04:47 G5 wrote:
considering how many fans and titles savior has won for Cj, he should be an honorary A team member at the very least

fucken pathetic CJ

On June 27 2008 04:27 InfesTeD]i[ wrote:


stfu?

On June 27 2008 04:49 Superiorwolf wrote:

At the very least we can hope it will motivate sAviOr again.

On June 27 2008 02:43 moebius_string wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

On June 27 2008 02:43 moebius_string wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

On June 27 2008 04:49 G5 wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 27 2008 03:34 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


You are so fucking stupid it borders on brain damage.

On June 27 2008 06:30 moebius_string wrote:


Whatever you hopeless fan boy. One player is not more important than the team. Thats the difference between being a CJ fan and just a Savior fan. Carry on hopeless.

On June 27 2008 02:43 moebius_string wrote:


Speak English instead of acronyms.

On June 27 2008 06:30 moebius_string wrote:


Whatever you hopeless fan boy. One player is not more important than the team. Thats the difference between being a CJ fan and just a Savior fan. Calling names and making fun of people who disagree with you is juvenile. Their many players on the team who can be given a shot in Savior's stead.

If all you can rely on statements such as this, then you and people who write such statements are truly pathetic.

On June 27 2008 06:30 moebius_string wrote:


Whatever you hopeless fan boy. One player is not more important than the team. Thats the difference between being a CJ fan and just a Savior fan. Calling names and making fun of people who disagree with you is juvenile. Their many players on the team who can be given a shot in Savior's stead.

If all you can rely on statements such as this, then you and people who write such statements are truly pathetic.

On June 27 2008 07:41 Slithe wrote:


Perhaps you are not understanding why everyone is calling you dumb right now. Just to make this clear...

KTF is the name of one of the starcraft teams, not some acronym for an english phrase like stfu or wtf.

On June 27 2008 07:41 Slithe wrote:


Perhaps you are not understanding why everyone is calling you dumb right now. Just to make this clear...

KTF is the name of one of the starcraft teams, not some acronym for an english phrase like stfu or wtf.

On June 27 2008 06:30 moebius_string wrote:


Whatever you hopeless fan boy. One player is not more important than the team. Thats the difference between being a CJ fan and just a Savior fan. Calling names and making fun of people who disagree with you is juvenile. Their many players on the team who can be given a shot in Savior's stead.

If all you can rely on statements such as this, then you and people who write such statements are truly pathetic.

On June 27 2008 07:41 Slithe wrote:


Perhaps you are not understanding why everyone is calling you dumb right now. Just to make this clear...

KTF is the name of one of the starcraft teams, not some acronym for an english phrase like stfu or wtf.

On June 27 2008 16:26 goldenkrnboi wrote:


do you honestly pick out those who only flame you? there were like 6 comments before shallow's that explained why skindzer said KTF. ._.

On June 27 2008 17:15 Puosu wrote:

no
KTF stands for Korea Telecom Freetel
its a company which sponsors KTF MagicNs.

On June 27 2008 06:30 moebius_string wrote:


Whatever you hopeless fan boy. One player is not more important than the team. Thats the difference between being a CJ fan and just a Savior fan. Calling names and making fun of people who disagree with you is juvenile. Their many players on the team who can be given a shot in Savior's stead.

If all you can rely on statements such as this, then you and people who write such statements are truly pathetic.

On June 27 2008 17:52 29 fps wrote:
maybe savior has a new girl in his life. that COULD affect his play

On June 28 2008 11:29 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
A team players on CJ have the option of dropping to the B team as a means of motivation because the practice schedule is much harsher

this isn't CJ's coaches kicking savior when he's down, this is savior taking his career seriously

On June 27 2008 07:41 Slithe wrote:


Perhaps you are not understanding why everyone is calling you dumb right now. Just to make this clear...

KTF is the name of one of the starcraft teams, not some acronym for an english phrase like stfu or wtf.

On June 27 2008 16:45 number1gog wrote:


And now that he knows, he will hide his head in shame and never post here again.
+ Show Spoiler +

Here's hoping sc2 will be the rebirth of savior.

On June 28 2008 04:48 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


...just for the record, I agree with you about the whole "one-player-not-being-more-important-than-the-team", I was calling you retarded because you can't expect to keep your credibility when you don't know that KTF, the shorthand for the KTF MagicN's, are a progaming team, not an english acronym.

KTF MagicN's
815[white]
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By.Barracks
Center[Name]
EunyounG[fOu]
Ever)Z(Line
Flash
hanjo
Haran
HaZin[saM]
Hery
HoBBang
HoeJJa[S.G]
inyeon[3.33]
KizoO_Major
LuCifer
NsP_Destiny
Oops
OversKy[GsP]
rA
RaiD
Raynor
Reach
SaiR
Sea.Shine
Stats
Tempest
TheName[fOu]
Violet
YellOw
ZergBOy

On June 28 2008 11:43 spydernoob wrote:
with the help of mbs and smartcast he may just be able to do decent..

assuming everyone else dosnt use it

On June 28 2008 11:43 spydernoob wrote:
with the help of mbs and smartcast he may just be able to do decent..

assuming everyone else dosnt use it

On June 27 2008 07:59 [X]Ken_D wrote:
Once Savior drops to the B team, I fear he will just disappear into obscurity like many of the older great ones.

On the other hand, July, had it far worse. He gets dropped from team to even worse team. At least, July's strength is micro and harass. It shows a lot in his 2v2 with good results.