• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:33
CEST 17:33
KST 00:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview4[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course12Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13
Community News
Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results2Weekly Cups (May 4-10): Clem, MaxPax, herO win1Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !11Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12
StarCraft 2
General
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO4 & Finals Preview Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO8 Results Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament KSL Week 89 2026 GSL Season 2 Qualifiers Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ vespene.gg — BW replays in browser Pros React to: TvT Masterclass in FlaSh vs Light BW General Discussion ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Semifinals B [BSL22] RO8 Bracket Stage + Another TieBreaker [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Hydra ZvZ: An Introduction Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1808 users

[Map]Testing Tourneys - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 17 2008 11:08 GMT
#21
I didn't add the featured maps to that list. The liklihood of me changing the featured maps for this week atleast is not high, I like those maps a lot and they look fairly solid already. And, we need them all tested.

Any particular reasons why you don't like those four maps?
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
h3r1n6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Iceland2039 Posts
June 17 2008 17:37 GMT
#22
On June 17 2008 20:08 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Any particular reasons why you don't like those four maps?


I don't really like to play on Blue Storm, and TvP is the reason for not wanting Katrina :D.


For Memory Cell, it seems to have a bit of positional imbalances, with the positioning of the ramps, and on Nightlight I don't like the second path into the natural.
Seeing those maps I just don't get the, oh I would like to do this or that, man I want to play that map feel.
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-17 19:09:58
June 17 2008 18:59 GMT
#23
No to these maps:
(4)Katrina SE P>>>>T, we don't have Flash
(2)Bluestorm 1.2 been played to death, and people complain about balance a lot one way or another.
(2)Hwarangdo T>Z, P>T
ScarFace
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1175 Posts
June 17 2008 19:35 GMT
#24
This sounds very good, I would participate- but im a bad player. Hopefully this gathers a decent level of support and the testing goes well.
Can you dig it?
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 17 2008 20:19 GMT
#25
Memory Cell does have a little bit of positional imbalance, but imo it doesn't prevent the map from giving good games. It was fine as mots in pgt lol.

I agree bluestorm has been played to death and is boring to play and watch, but atleast people know it well, otherwise I feel people might be overwhelmed by unfamiliar maps.

Hwarangdo probably is imbalanced, but atleast it's something different?

Even if Katrina is badly imbalanced, atleast everyone knows it.

The second path into Nightlight's nat is part of what makes it special and different

More feedback for removing those maps will ensure their removal, I'm not against removing them. Just throwing out why I think they could help the tourney maybe. Comes down to balance vs familiarity =/
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
June 17 2008 20:33 GMT
#26
On June 17 2008 15:06 AttackZerg wrote:
Yes I'd play ever every single one. ( I think for zerg to spend 10-15 minutes thinking about a map and then playing it is the best possible training for race fluidity(sp?))

Also is anybody interested in having WCG mini-tournaments, I or someone else could host them , using wcg maps exclusively...?


I am down >.<
w/e
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
June 17 2008 21:31 GMT
#27
On June 17 2008 04:54 Nightmarjoo wrote:
What do you think about the mappool format? Overplayed maps in or out? One foreign map per round loser picks? Or all foreign maps? New pro maps or no?
I think that if you want the tourney to test foreign maps then it should have foreign maps only.

For foreign maps, I'd most likely be picking more standard-esque maps than experimental type ones, but it's likely I might pick a relatively standard map which does have an experimental feature as well.
I agree with this, but I think it should be very explicit of how standard we're shooting for. You should set up some standardization rules that maps should follow. Such as "main should have 8 to 10 minerals, no more or less" or "main-nat choke should be between 4 or 8 units, no more no less" etc for example. Things like that.

I could contribute with making maps. But I won't play because I'm bad and I think it's important that you have good players to test how the maps plays at high levels. I believe we have enough C+ or better players on TL to gather 16 people for a short 3 hour tourney. We should ask those guys for help.
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
June 17 2008 21:39 GMT
#28
On June 18 2008 03:59 anotak wrote:
No to these maps:
(4)Katrina SE P>>>>T, we don't have Flash
(2)Bluestorm 1.2 been played to death, and people complain about balance a lot one way or another.
(2)Hwarangdo T>Z, P>T


i like maps that are imbalanced. i think its entertaining to watch how a player compensates for it. and with imba maps we get new strats and builds from players which we don't see otherwise to try and make up for the fact that they would get raped if they played the same normal / boring style almost everyone plays.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 17 2008 21:39 GMT
#29
lol "relatively standard" I think negates any need for explicit specifications. Under "relatively standard" I include every map so far listed in the mappool.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
DhakhaR
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United Kingdom721 Posts
June 17 2008 23:14 GMT
#30
those maps look awesome and i think this is a good idea, its nice to get some freshness in maps.

i must admit when i saw Nightmarjoo was the OP the first thing i did was Ctrl+F Faoi
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 17 2008 23:42 GMT
#31
I almost managed to not mention it, but I couldn't help myself T_T
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
June 18 2008 00:23 GMT
#32
On June 18 2008 05:19 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Even if Katrina is badly imbalanced, atleast everyone knows it.

It's also a terrible map, it's boring, and hyperturtly.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 18 2008 19:38 GMT
#33
Ok, I think we're going to have to wait until the following monday (the 30th?) to start to give the mappers a little more time to prepare these maps.

That should work out well though, it'll give us a full week to review the maps, and more time for feedback from tl on the mappool itself.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-30 03:47:59
June 30 2008 03:46 GMT
#34
I think it would be a fantastic prize for a tournament to be seeded a game in the next TL Attack. I'm sure you'd get a lot of people playing if that was the case. However, it might not fancy Chill/TL Attack Crew so it's only an idea.

A foreign-map tourny would get me more practice. I'm always trying to improve at SC (who isn't?) and I get bored playing the same maps. It's not that I couldn't just download some random maps and play against my friends, which we do sometimes, but with a tournament I'd look over the map and really think about it. I couldn't cheat and read someone elses analysis. By doing this yourself you can get better intellectually rather than getting better by memorization. I'm not saying the FE Seismic maps was bad, it can help you get better at analyzing maps and is a great read, but you don't get this out of it. I'm sure most people just read it to find out what strategies they can abuse other people on iccup with. This doesn't teach you how to formulate a strategy of your own, you're just carrying out someone elses plan and pretending you're elite.

In my opinion, that's what SC is these days. You copy an exact BO and plan for the few maps that are played. You then mass game to improve your mechanics and to do the BO "perfectly". You win some games on ICCUP and you think you're amazing.

I'm in for the tournament. It would be nice to have some games that reward people for having good mechanics AND intelligence.
Ryot
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada316 Posts
June 30 2008 04:03 GMT
#35
I'd enter the tourney if it's organized enough. I wouldn't mind playing on some cool foreign maps, to help see if there's one we can get for the next TSL. Even though I think it's risky adding a map there, I would like to help see it happen someday.
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
June 30 2008 04:16 GMT
#36
That'd be a neat prize for sure, I'll have to look into that to see if TL can offer it
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
ChaoSbringer
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Australia1382 Posts
June 30 2008 04:21 GMT
#37
Make savior play on a foreigner map! (provide him with the file before hand!)
joewest
Profile Joined December 2007
United States167 Posts
June 30 2008 04:26 GMT
#38
i'll play even though i suck

we should definitely narrow down the choices first to like 4-5 though, otherwise we won't get enough games to balance any of them
anotak
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1537 Posts
July 01 2008 01:20 GMT
#39
i say narrow it down to 3 maps, with 2 maps repeated
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
July 18 2008 01:54 GMT
#40
Any news on this?

I'd be up for a one day tourny where we can pick up the maps a couple weeks ahead of time. That'd be fun.
Prev 1 2 3 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Showmatch
15:00
Shopify Rebellion Sunday
YoungYakov vs sOs
Scarlett vs Nicoract
Reynor vs ByuN
Harstem266
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ByuN 390
Harstem 266
LamboSC2 151
Railgan 91
elazer 73
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 7375
Jaedong 1732
EffOrt 1110
Mini 1087
actioN 448
ggaemo 308
firebathero 221
Larva 187
hero 186
ToSsGirL 116
[ Show more ]
Hyun 62
Aegong 49
Barracks 43
Movie 38
Rock 17
IntoTheRainbow 14
GoRush 12
Shine 7
yabsab 5
Dota 2
Gorgc8024
qojqva1379
syndereN217
Counter-Strike
pashabiceps1260
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK11
Other Games
Grubby19830
singsing2578
Liquid`RaSZi1333
Beastyqt1074
B2W.Neo710
ceh9661
Pyrionflax314
Hui .282
QueenE163
crisheroes158
KnowMe134
monkeys_forever123
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 96
• LUISG 20
• Adnapsc2 12
• iHatsuTV 6
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 31
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota244
League of Legends
• Nemesis2429
Other Games
• WagamamaTV219
• Shiphtur164
Upcoming Events
IPSL
27m
Bonyth vs Napoleon
G5 vs JDConan
BSL
3h 27m
OyAji vs JDConan
DragOn vs TBD
OSC
8h 27m
Replay Cast
17h 27m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d
Replay Cast
1d 8h
The PondCast
1d 18h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 19h
GSL
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
3 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
WardiTV Spring Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Classic vs SHIN
Rogue vs Bunny
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W7
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
Heroes Pulsing #1
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
WardiTV Spring 2026
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.