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On April 21 2008 17:13 Dromar wrote:
So, I just played a game on bnet today, and I specifically clicked on my opponent's cc (even though I had nothing to gain from it, what else is he gonna build at his expo minerals) and that click didn't show up in BWChart. WTF?
Hacker! Ban plz. Honestly tho, I'm sure TL staff has extensively tested this method, why do you care so much for disproving hackers?
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So, I just played a game on bnet today, and I specifically clicked on my opponent's cc (even though I had nothing to gain from it, what else is he gonna build at his expo minerals) and that click didn't show up in BWChart. WTF?
Make sure you changed to settings so that it shows enemy units selected after 2 minutes.
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i checked a lot of my replays, and i basically have a fuckton of clicks on enemy stuff even in short games. and so do my opponents. practically _everyone_ does the following:
select spawning pool when scouting Z (everyone of last 50 opponents when i was Z selected my pool!!!)
select 2nd gateway/cycore when scouting P early
select citadel/stargate when scouting P with fast tech/later
select scouting probe when being scouted by P to check shields/HP
select marine/tank/gol to check ups when OL sees terran pushing out
select morphing colonies when scouting Z defenses (scan etc)
and neither me nor my opponents are good. So imho this method is really good. You just have
to select stuff out of necessity. Period. No point arguing.
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On April 21 2008 09:55 Carnac wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2008 08:57 city42 wrote:
O tempora! O mores!
Perhaps the only thing more pitiful than all these people hacking is the way they try to cover it up with more crap. Take that localhost guy: he gets found clearly hacking in many games, and his excuse is "I'm not a hacker guys, we just use a maphack in our practice games to improve timing." Or excello.tronic claiming that he simply never clicks units and that the proof is "mathematically flawed." How the hell could you play a competitive game of starcraft without clicking on an enemy unit at least once? There are SO many situations where you would need to do it, even in the first 5 minutes of a game.
The excuses of hackers have always been the most funny part about catching them "I only hacked in this replay of a public game where I was fooling around" "I hacked because I knew my opponent was hacking" "I hacked to practice timing" "My brother must have installed the hack" etc, there are so many more, I don't even remember half of them, one is more ludicrous than the other ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
I do believe about the 3rd part though... Otherwise how would testie be so good ? :p
I've already said in the past that map hack does help about timing, but it's better not to use in official tournament obviously.
And no you shouldn't tell to your ennemy you're hacking because otherwise he'd play the most conservatives builds so it wouldn't work. The best way would to map hack to an ennemy who play with a build that's used very often in ladder / tournament in order to get timing senses.
Again i recall it's bad to use it in official games. You should use only for practice time nothing more.
I'm feeling bad about kassios though because i used to play against him, while i know he was cheating it was only training games. I'd not have thought he'd use his hacks in iccup though... :[
That being said i hope i've suspicious clicks or whatever because there's no hack on my laptop (99% of games playing on my laptop afaik, just tested to see if the antihack could work against a map hack that i used with an other computer. Did work so i've never used any hack with the other comp but it still has the hacks on the hard drive so i don't know if there's no clicks or not because of the modified starcraft files (i must have played like 10 games or so with the other computer))
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
On April 21 2008 18:15 PeAcY6969 wrote:
wtf : RoX.Executor !!!! you mean why RoX?
they are going to join after LRM) verse RoX ClanWar
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Belgium9948 Posts
Are you freakin' serious? You let one hacker remain in the team and hire 2 more?
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Some comments I found funny in "Spades Rep Pack" Topic.
"+ Your timing is great. You know very well the optimum times to push out against toss after they react to your FE."
"- Your academy work is pretty poor. In most of the games, you rarely use your scan. Your comstats are at 200 constantly, and you only check expos sporadically. This is the biggest hole in your game that I saw. Of course, you win in all your reps, so it doesn't seem to hurt you, but I assume in some other games it has."
"My TvP style is based on my timing pushes"
"But thanks for the criticisms, i have a paranoia tvp of not having scan energy for dts/arbs. So i try to scan as little as possible, but i have to get around that and start using them more frequently." LOL...
" NerO United States. February 06 2008 14:14. Posts 1644 PM Profile Quote
he only has good timing cus he hacks all florida players hack. 2004 vote hack 2000 vote hack"
Good call, sir !
"wow some nice TvP's i've only watched the first 3 reps, vs mgz)li, and i'm pretty amazed the gosu timings and game sense. its like whenever i go 3 facs with late ebay, i always get owned. Maybe thast why i'm noob..." 
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Belgium9948 Posts
oh and if you watch the series LocalHost vs Strelok, RoX. shouldnt be in doubt how to handle localhost
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i wonder how good this was tested.
i just made some little tests, and the result was way different than in the explanation.
when i selected enemy buildings without any hack on i got 0 suspicious actions. when i loaded maphack #1 and selected buildings trough the fog of war, those clicks came up in the rep, but were not marked as hack or suspicious. then i loaded maphack #2 and selected through the fog of war, those clicks didnt show up in the rep at all.
i dont want to make this method bad or anything, but i really wonder how it got tested and who the so called "experts" are who verfied this method.
i will make some more tests, and post the result, with the replays. but i have an exam tomorrow so i cant spend to much time.
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On April 21 2008 18:50 disMami wrote:
i wonder how good this was tested.
i just made some little tests, and the result was way different than in the explanation.
when i selected enemy buildings without any hack on i got 0 suspicious actions. when i loaded maphack #1 and selected buildings trough the fog of war, those clicks came up in the rep, but were not marked as hack or suspicious. then i loaded maphack #2 and selected through the fog of war, those clicks didnt show up in the rep at all.
i dont want to make this method bad or anything, but i really wonder how it got tested and who the so called "experts" are who verfied this method.
i will make some more tests, and post the result, with the replays. but i have an exam tomorrow so i cant spend to much time.
To do so, open BWChart v1.03G, go to “Options” and “Other Options.” Change the “Suspicious events” field to “Ignore events after: 2000 minutes instead of minutes (default).” Reload BWChart to refresh.
Read before post !
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Make sure you changed to settings so that it shows enemy units selected after 2 minutes.
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WGTour admins are checking all the WGT CL replays in search for potential map hackers. 3 have been caught so far, a couple more are suspected of hacking, too.
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On April 21 2008 08:28 Hot_Bid wrote:
i'm surprised nobody mentioned the LRM)Executor / LRM)Killa vs. xLo.Tronic / xLo.Ryko game, where 75% of the players were hacking and nobody had suspicious clicks but Ryko, that replay was lol
[08:19] Merz: how do they solve that
[08:19] Merz: "uh since you had 2 hackers and excello 1"
[08:19] Merz: "we're ruling it in favour of excello"
[08:20] Hot_Bid: loll
"wat" rofl..
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Hack fix alreadyu? Man....... if some idiots hacked pgt, why doesnt someone with some fucking morals hack their site........................
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On April 21 2008 19:50 likeaboss wrote:Hack fix alreadyu? Man....... if some idiots hacked pgt, why doesnt someone with some fucking morals hack their site........................
In time ppl will find to catch them again . This is how it always goes, hackers 1 step ahead and in time they will be cauth..
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
On April 21 2008 19:50 likeaboss wrote:Hack fix alreadyu? Man....... if some idiots hacked pgt, why doesnt someone with some fucking morals hack their site........................
sigh..... fucking hackers
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well it seems like now that sc skills are worth money someone should pay people to develop antihacks.
I vote that a portion of the tsl winnings goes to flag.
also if i was planning on playing in a serious tournament and hacking at the same time, I would probably do my own private party hack instead of a third-party mass-downloaded hack. those hacks, IMHO would be much harder to guard against. and now given that tournaments are worth serious cash (assuming tsl is recurring) then it shouldn't be that hard to find some cs majors and offer them cash to develop your own private hacks.
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lol that "doesn't matter blizzard can't catch and ban you." is golden. What a clueless person.
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EPT
