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CPU Savior 1.6 [BWL/Chaos Plugin] [1.16.1]

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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 02:22:48
February 06 2008 00:58 GMT
#1
I was a little worried when playing a game of BW last night when my CPU hit 62ºc due to StarCraft.exe stealing every available cycle. So I made this little plugin for BWLauncher / ChaosLauncher which will introduce small 1ms delays every so often. This greatly reduces CPU usage and thus saves energy and money and the environment etc!

The latest version should now work fine with replays and also have low CPU usage during BNET screens.

Download:
http://r-1.ch/cpusavior-1.6.zip

Source (not required):
http://r-1.ch/CPUSavior.cpp

Install:
Put in the ChaosLauncher/BWL directory and tick the 'CPU Savior' plugin when launching.
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ray1234
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada679 Posts
February 06 2008 01:10 GMT
#2
this is false advertising
go OVERSKY MODE!
MeriaDoKk
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Chile1726 Posts
February 06 2008 01:11 GMT
#3
wow nice, specially to me that i dont have too much RAM
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 06 2008 01:13 GMT
#4
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?
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TL+ Member
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-06 01:17:25
February 06 2008 01:14 GMT
#5
give source code code code

email me at yma8000@gmail.com
Rillanon.au
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
February 06 2008 01:15 GMT
#6
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


I did :p
Thanks R1CH, much love <3
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5522 Posts
February 06 2008 01:16 GMT
#7
Nice! It's always bothered me that blizzard has never released a patch to lower cpu usage below its ridiculous 100%. R1CH to the rescue.

I don't think I'll use it though, i only play on a pentium 2 so im not too worried about energy costs ;p. Maybe on my laptop to stop it from burning me..
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 06 2008 01:20 GMT
#8
On February 06 2008 10:14 haduken wrote:
give source code code code

email me at yma8000@gmail.com

Since you asked so nicely, here's the messy source with lots of notes and old ideas (requires BWLTemplate project to build of course): http://r-1.ch/CPUSavior.cpp
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
February 06 2008 01:26 GMT
#9
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


YES
^-^
Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
February 06 2008 01:26 GMT
#10
Great job though, I think it would help a lot of people with ridiculously powerful computers here on TL
^-^
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
February 06 2008 01:29 GMT
#11
On February 06 2008 10:26 Equinox_kr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


YES


T____T so did I. Or, at least, I wanted one.
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
February 06 2008 01:35 GMT
#12
I was so close to beating sAviOr straight-up with cheats

One day..
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 06 2008 01:39 GMT
#13
It actually never occurred to me until after I posted that it could be interpreted this way. I originally named it CPU Saver and then you can see where my line of thought went...
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
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Imagination
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
243 Posts
February 06 2008 01:44 GMT
#14
On February 06 2008 10:15 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


I did :p
Thanks R1CH, much love <3

same here.=]
SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
February 06 2008 01:48 GMT
#15
On February 06 2008 10:39 R1CH wrote:
It actually never occurred to me until after I posted that it could be interpreted this way. I originally named it CPU Saver and then you can see where my line of thought went...


Haha, I forgive you. I will try this program real soon. Thank you for your work.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
February 06 2008 01:48 GMT
#16
R1CH...you are amazing.

VERY GOOD JOB!

I appreciate it!
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Equinox_kr
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States7395 Posts
February 06 2008 03:43 GMT
#17
On February 06 2008 10:39 R1CH wrote:
It actually never occurred to me until after I posted that it could be interpreted this way. I originally named it CPU Saver and then you can see where my line of thought went...


I'm still deeply hurt inside. I wanted to play against Savior
^-^
ilovejonn
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada2548 Posts
February 06 2008 03:49 GMT
#18
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


Snowflakes in January, Heart warm like February, I wouldn't ordinarily..
noobienoob
Profile Joined July 2007
United States1173 Posts
February 06 2008 04:32 GMT
#19

On February 06 2008 10:26 Equinox_kr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


YES

me too lol

thanks, am going to try it out

funkie
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Venezuela9376 Posts
February 06 2008 04:36 GMT
#20
hEH, so, where do I dl moar ramz?
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LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
February 06 2008 04:49 GMT
#21
so we CAN use this on iccup right?
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
February 06 2008 05:15 GMT
#22
i think you're more likely to get a official answer to that on the iccup forums
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caution.slip
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States775 Posts
February 06 2008 05:15 GMT
#23
my laptop CPU constantly goes 70deg+ when playing SC

hopefully this will help, thanks
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Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
February 06 2008 05:23 GMT
#24
holy shit, you wrote it in c.
Hollow
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Canada2180 Posts
February 06 2008 05:35 GMT
#25
On February 06 2008 10:11 MeriaDoKk wrote:
wow nice, specially to me that i dont have too much RAM


ram =/= cpu consumption
prOxi.swAMi
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Australia3091 Posts
February 06 2008 09:30 GMT
#26
On February 06 2008 10:11 MeriaDoKk wrote:
wow nice, specially to me that i dont have too much RAM

sorry but i hate to shit myself with laughter at this one loooooool
Oh no
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
February 06 2008 10:11 GMT
#27
heh
Rillanon.au
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
February 06 2008 11:15 GMT
#28
On February 06 2008 14:15 pachi wrote:
i think you're more likely to get a official answer to that on the iccup forums

Technically yes (atm, may change with future AH-Versions), and legally no
But as it does not patch SC-Code it probably could be integrated into the Launcher.
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PePe QuiCoSE
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Argentina1204 Posts
February 06 2008 11:32 GMT
#29
On February 06 2008 14:35 Hollow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:11 MeriaDoKk wrote:
wow nice, specially to me that i dont have too much RAM


ram =/= cpu consumption
but i can still download it, right?
Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2359 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-06 11:44:08
February 06 2008 11:43 GMT
#30
This is great! I was very annoyed by the CPU hunger of sc.
This is very appreciated.

I hope this doesn't increase players delay who use it. I don't care if it skips frames during replay just don't mess up normal game play.
https://repmastered.icza.net
vhallee
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
899 Posts
February 06 2008 12:17 GMT
#31
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

god damn it i fell for it too
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parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1082 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-06 18:36:37
February 06 2008 15:30 GMT
#32
I tried this in singleplayer, The game became EXTREMELY slow/choppy and laggy. Like playing on B.net on slowest but it actually was singeplayer on fastest...

System Spec:
AMD Athlong 2.25Ghz
2Gb RAM
Asus Geforce 6200
mostly harmless
Tarson
Profile Joined July 2003
Poland130 Posts
February 06 2008 18:04 GMT
#33
ye i try it and averything is ok CPU usage is beetwen 5-25% but when i want play on b.net and enter to game is huge lag and very slow.
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1082 Posts
February 06 2008 19:50 GMT
#34
It might be useful if you want to record some gosu replays and save them so they look like they are in fastest but when you are playing its actually like slowest. So you can pull gosu micro and perfect macro
mostly harmless
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 06 2008 20:58 GMT
#35
On February 07 2008 00:30 parkin wrote:
I tried this in singleplayer, The game became EXTREMELY slow/choppy and laggy.

Any other plugins or anything active? I played a full mission on SP without a single incident of lag / slowdown on my 3200+. I guess I could make an option to control how often a delay is introduced.
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parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1082 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-06 21:14:25
February 06 2008 21:10 GMT
#36
On February 07 2008 05:58 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2008 00:30 parkin wrote:
I tried this in singleplayer, The game became EXTREMELY slow/choppy and laggy.

Any other plugins or anything active? I played a full mission on SP without a single incident of lag / slowdown on my 3200+. I guess I could make an option to control how often a delay is introduced.


No i used Chaoslauncher and CPU Savior is the unly plugin active/checked. Same issue in LAN vs computer, as in SC singleplayer and BW singleplayer. Its slow and choppy during all the menus as well unfortunatly.

Edit:
I tried it on Battle.net Europe against a random player and it became very slow for both of us.
mostly harmless
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
February 06 2008 23:26 GMT
#37
works fine for me. it's nice having my fan shut up

thanks!
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ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
February 06 2008 23:37 GMT
#38
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


yes i did =.='
fuck lag
Dakota_Fanning *
Profile Joined January 2008
Hungary2359 Posts
February 07 2008 09:41 GMT
#39
I tried it in 3v3 team games on battle.net. Worked perfectly, felt no lag or delay.
https://repmastered.icza.net
Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9568 Posts
February 07 2008 09:46 GMT
#40
On February 07 2008 08:37 ZidaneTribal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


yes i did =.='


Ditto.
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/list/4JknvV
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1082 Posts
February 07 2008 13:12 GMT
#41
Am I the only one with this issue? I dont have any other computer (except a laptop with linux) so I cant try to see if I have the same issue there.

Could it be becouse something wrong with my processor? Or some 3rd party application?
mostly harmless
Tarson
Profile Joined July 2003
Poland130 Posts
February 07 2008 14:44 GMT
#42
no parkin same here. but dont know why. when i enter the game i fell like play on PC <50 Hz. i got celeron 3GHz and really dont know why is so slow. this plugin will really help me but unfortunately i cant use it because os slownes pls help ;;
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9934 Posts
February 07 2008 15:59 GMT
#43
works perfectly for me in all situations except as mentioned during replays
haven't experienced any lag at all
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
February 07 2008 18:15 GMT
#44
I'll try and get a version with configurable delay released. I played 3 hours from 2 players up to 5 players last night with not a single incident of lag, so no idea why you guys are having problems .
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
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Tarson
Profile Joined July 2003
Poland130 Posts
February 07 2008 18:59 GMT
#45
R1CH i dont have idea too but really when me chat everything is ok but when enter to game its terrbile slow and lag.
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
February 09 2008 15:11 GMT
#46
I have the same or a similar issue. My mouse curser appears to be delayed when running the plugin, going very slowly and jumping. If I deactivate it, it goes back to normal again.
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Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
February 09 2008 15:35 GMT
#47
I'm guessing it lags for me because I'm using Vista. That's the first thing I assume.
o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
February 09 2008 15:59 GMT
#48
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?

I was expecting that
Wouldnt it be great to have one for different progamers
illmatic
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada53 Posts
February 11 2008 21:28 GMT
#49
SC eats like 90% of my CPU........ but with the CPU Savior plugin its only like 5-10% except I get lagg like if I had the game set to 'slowest'.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-02 13:01:17
March 02 2008 12:57 GMT
#50
When I use CPU Savior, the game runs choppy. It's not just CPU Savior, I also have the same problem when I try other programs that reduce the amount of CPU that BW takes.

I'm running XP SP2 with a 1GHZ celeron. Same problem on Intel 3 ghz. Not sure if this matters, but both system have integrated video.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
March 02 2008 13:28 GMT
#51
how to use this with ICC?
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
March 02 2008 14:51 GMT
#52
It is not allowed. But you could copy your iccscbn.icc to the chaoslauncher directory and rename it to iccscbn.bwl. But I am not sure it is compatible with the antihack. (Probably yes)
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
FirstBorn
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Romania3955 Posts
March 02 2008 15:15 GMT
#53
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?


yes.
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niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
March 02 2008 17:45 GMT
#54
On March 02 2008 23:51 MasterOfChaos wrote:
It is not allowed. But you could copy your iccscbn.icc to the chaoslauncher directory and rename it to iccscbn.bwl. But I am not sure it is compatible with the antihack. (Probably yes)

it says antihack: NO

it'd be great if you could include this to ICC launcher.
Zelniq
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States7166 Posts
March 02 2008 19:32 GMT
#55
im also having a MASSIVE lag problem, right as SC loads, as long as it's not in any Bnet screen everything is really lagged (moving mouse pointer as well)
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nysikto
Profile Joined March 2005
Norway337 Posts
March 02 2008 20:22 GMT
#56
every god damn computer game take 100% of cpu so why bother with it. its normal
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-02 20:23:49
March 02 2008 20:22 GMT
#57
On March 03 2008 02:45 niteReloaded wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 02 2008 23:51 MasterOfChaos wrote:
It is not allowed. But you could copy your iccscbn.icc to the chaoslauncher directory and rename it to iccscbn.bwl. But I am not sure it is compatible with the antihack. (Probably yes)

it says antihack: NO

it'd be great if you could include this to ICC launcher.

I think the lag problem should be solved first.
On March 03 2008 05:22 nysikto wrote:
every god damn computer game take 100% of cpu so why bother with it. its normal

Because SC wastes them. And it increases the powerusage of laptops.
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-02 23:06:05
March 02 2008 23:03 GMT
#58
I really want to be able to fix this lag problem so I can run BW without the game killing my laptop fan!

R1CH & MasterOfChaos , is there any specific info you want? I can look for it on my 2 computers.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
March 21 2008 11:06 GMT
#59
Version 1.1 released, now introduced a Sleep into the Battle.Net dialog loop so the bnet lobby no longer consumes 100% CPU.

Download:
http://r-1.ch/cpusavior-1.1.zip
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pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5391 Posts
March 21 2008 13:38 GMT
#60
WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
March 21 2008 14:05 GMT
#61
On February 06 2008 10:39 R1CH wrote:
It actually never occurred to me until after I posted that it could be interpreted this way. I originally named it CPU Saver and then you can see where my line of thought went...

Lol dunno if you really did it on purpose for more publicity... :p Either way it's a nice program.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
March 21 2008 14:24 GMT
#62
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?

yes
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
March 21 2008 14:49 GMT
#63
I think it is possible that the program doesn't work for me because the feature is not available in P3 celeron and P4.
[X]Domain - I just do the website. Nothing more.
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-21 15:50:48
March 21 2008 15:50 GMT
#64

On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?

as so many have said before me HELL YEAH
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
March 22 2008 23:59 GMT
#65
On March 21 2008 23:49 [X]Ken_D wrote:
I think it is possible that the program doesn't work for me because the feature is not available in P3 celeron and P4.

It doesn't make use of any processor-specific instructions, it should work on anything.
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Darkmole
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States900 Posts
March 23 2008 00:41 GMT
#66
wats a CPU???? cuz im so confuzed right now
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
March 27 2008 09:04 GMT
#67
This version should hopefully fix the severe delay / lag issue some people were having. Please let me know if it works.

http://r-1.ch/cpusavior-1.2.zip
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distant_voice
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Germany2521 Posts
March 27 2008 09:59 GMT
#68
On March 23 2008 09:41 Darkmole wrote:
wats a CPU???? cuz im so confuzed right now


google + wikipedia = win

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_processing_unit
This is my truth, tell me yours!
[X]Ken_D
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States4650 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-27 10:47:54
March 27 2008 10:45 GMT
#69
On March 27 2008 18:04 R1CH wrote:
This version should hopefully fix the severe delay / lag issue some people were having. Please let me know if it works.

http://r-1.ch/cpusavior-1.2.zip


OMG!!@!! It works for me on my Celeron P3 laptop! I got to try this out on my P4 desktop.

YOU'RE THE BEST R1CH! THANKS!
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kAra
Profile Joined September 2004
Germany1388 Posts
March 27 2008 12:30 GMT
#70
bw closes some sec before joining battle net .. : (
mada mada dane
ossguy
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada20 Posts
March 31 2008 06:07 GMT
#71
I have created a tool similar to CPU Savior called StarCraft Power Saver. I just released the first version, 0.1, at http://ossguy.com/starcraft_power_saver/ with a blog post at http://ossguy.com/?p=28, which you can comment on if you like. This could probably use a new thread, but as a new member I can't create threads for 10 days so if someone wants to start one for me, that would be great.

StarCraft Power Saver is different from CPU Savior in that it modifies the StarCraft executable directly so you don't need to run any external programs. From what I've read of CPU Savior, StarCraft Power Saver is similar to CPU Savior in most other ways. Any feedback on the tool would be appreciated.
Chosi
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Germany1303 Posts
March 31 2008 11:57 GMT
#72
modyfing SC.exe = no Bnet = no use, sorry
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ossguy
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada20 Posts
March 31 2008 16:32 GMT
#73
Thanks to Physician for starting a new thread for StarCraft Power Saver. You can view it at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=68753. Please post comments about StarCraft Power Saver to that thread instead of this one.
hunter3
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States155 Posts
April 01 2008 21:32 GMT
#74
Thanks a lot! CPU usage averages 3% and I can play without plugging in the laptop now. The only problem occurs when I load the mineral hack detection (KM9v109), then CPU spikes back to 100%. I guess the two are incompatible. This program's more useful anyways.
ossguy
Profile Joined March 2008
Canada20 Posts
April 03 2008 17:36 GMT
#75
On March 31 2008 20:57 Chosi wrote:
modyfing SC.exe = no Bnet = no use, sorry


People who want to use StarCraft Power Saver or similar applications on Battle.net should read these two posts on the SC Power Saver thread:
- Blizzard, cheating, and Battle.net protections
- alternatives to Battle.net for Internet play
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
April 03 2008 21:13 GMT
#76
For every current protection there is still an easy way around (well except a regularily updated Warden which gets a bit harder). You can even modify SC-Code, as long as you do it in memory and remove the modification during bnet signon.
But of cause there always is a small banrisk. Smaller for some plugins(Chaosplugin), and larger for others (APMAlert,most AdvLoader Plugins).
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flag
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States228 Posts
April 12 2008 19:17 GMT
#77
Now that it is getting hot I decided to try this out. It reduces cpu usage properly, but starcraft crashes when I try to log into bnet or go into single player.

I am using windows 2000 with amd 2ghz dual core. Any idea why this would happen?

Also if this can have all kinks worked out it would be great if it were an option in the iccup launcher as well.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5522 Posts
April 12 2008 19:29 GMT
#78
I get mouse lag when I use this. Its not terrible, ive played full games with it, but its pretty annoying. Would it be possible to adjust the plugin to use more cpu power to possibly get rid of the little bit of mouse lag?
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GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-02 11:54:28
June 02 2008 11:45 GMT
#79
Sorry for bumping this old baybe, but I'm having this issue (surprise surprise) where I basically have to choose between an overheated CPU and a laggy starcraft.

See, my CPU tends to overheat and cause system crashes ever so often when I play starcraft. That is, more often than not lately. Using CPU savior I at least avoid the overheating, but it's a traddeoff for a pretty darn big portion of lagg, mouse-related or otherwise - I seriously have problem telling.
I've run a performance monitor which claims my CPU is running at 45-50% and RAM at ~25% when playing without the CPU savior, and about 3% CPU usage and a bit lower RAM when using CPU savior.

On top of it I've recently started getting application errors too, something along the line of "Faulty program starcraft.exe, version 1.15.2.1, wrong module , version 0.0.0.0, wrong adress 0x00000000." - roughly translated from Swedish.
Said errors at least - thankfully enough - don't crash the system, just the game.

Reinstalled and cleared all SC-related files on computer I think 3 times in the past 2 weeks.
All proper drivers installed for graphics card and checked the CPU fans for dust. I'm clueless by now :S

I suppose this is just a shoutout to whoever recognizes said problem or just has some insight to it.
And help/tips would be greatly appreciated.

(Playing on an Intel Core 2 Quad-core
Graphics card: GeForce 8800GT 512MB GDDR3
all on a -07 GIGABYTE mothercard, which modelnumber I for the life of me can't remember)
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
June 02 2008 12:24 GMT
#80
Do you use CPU-Savior 1.2 or an older version?
Also run a ramtest.
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Dagor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany64 Posts
June 02 2008 12:58 GMT
#81
I have nearly the same specs as you and i never had a problem with overheating.
How warm is your processor normally ?
Is Starcraft the only game that crashes ?
Maybe your heat sink isn't powerful enough (Quads get pretty hot).
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
June 03 2008 03:45 GMT
#82
On June 02 2008 20:45 GinNtoniC wrote:
Sorry for bumping this old baybe, but I'm having this issue (surprise surprise) where I basically have to choose between an overheated CPU and a laggy starcraft.

Please try this version:
http://r-1.ch/cpusavior-1.4.zip
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
June 03 2008 19:25 GMT
#83
so i have cpusavior.bwl in my C:\Program Files\ICCup\Lancher directory, but no tick mark is showing up in the iccup launcher windows. what am i doing wrong
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
June 03 2008 19:33 GMT
#84
It most likely does not work with iccup, only Chaos Launcher and BW Loader.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
June 03 2008 19:40 GMT
#85
ohhhh! thanks
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GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
June 03 2008 22:40 GMT
#86
Hey.

Sorry for the late response.
I spent the past two days formating and reinstalling Windows XP and setting up all the right drivers etc etc.
Finally getting the computer up to speed again. Gonna get games installed and stuff tomorrow and do a RAM-test etc.

I'll get back to you on how it turns out (don't have any method of checking CPU temperature though)
Oh and thanks R1CH for the new version, gonna try that out too!
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
June 23 2008 22:14 GMT
#87
Any word yet if version 1.4 fixes the laggy mouse problem?
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5522 Posts
June 23 2008 22:17 GMT
#88
I'll test it, It would be sick if it did.
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 23 2008 23:14 GMT
#89
On June 24 2008 07:14 R1CH wrote:
Any word yet if version 1.4 fixes the laggy mouse problem?

it definitely fixed it for me
blabberrrrr
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5522 Posts
June 25 2008 00:34 GMT
#90
Seems fixed for me too! and i can watch replays at full speed its awesome
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
wifebeater
Profile Joined January 2008
178 Posts
June 25 2008 15:40 GMT
#91
Omfg..THANK YOU R1CH for the new update! Before this update, while running CPU Savior, I had some issues with my mouse (delay and lagg). So I had no other choice but be playing without the CPU Savior (i love Chaos Plugin too much to even bother play SC without it).

So while running SC without CPU Savior, the CPU usage of StarCraft.exe was about 90% all the fucking time.. And now with the fix, its about 0% all the time. And my mouse seems to be working like it should.. But don't take my words for granted because I haven't had the time to test it enough, just jet..

Maybe if I have the time later, I will check my CPU temperature while running CPU Savior and then do the same thing when I don't..

Brb, testing if I can run 16x in a replay without any further problems..

Thanks once again! ;-D

Villain Terran~~~~~~~~~~
pheer
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
5391 Posts
June 25 2008 15:53 GMT
#92
1.4 finally fixed the laggy mouse. Thank you R1CH
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
June 25 2008 16:00 GMT
#93
Working perfectly for me too. Three thumbs up and a hooray!
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Liquid`HayprO
Profile Joined March 2003
Iraq1230 Posts
August 14 2008 20:05 GMT
#94
is there anything like this for iccup launcher. i cant stay on iccup for long before my cpu overheats and my comp restarts.
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iCCup.Trent
Profile Joined May 2005
Argentina450 Posts
August 14 2008 20:11 GMT
#95
This is excellent news. Thanks R1CH!

The next step would be to talk to ICCup guys to have them consider some of these great plugins. I'd love to have a timer on screen while on ICCup.
grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
August 14 2008 20:11 GMT
#96
On August 15 2008 05:05 haypro wrote:
is there anything like this for iccup launcher. i cant stay on iccup for long before my cpu overheats and my comp restarts.


I really hope its possible to add something like this to the launcher, i can play maybe 2-3games on iccup before my cpu gets too hot.
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
August 14 2008 20:14 GMT
#97
My laptop burns me when I run Starcraft. I had the fan replaced before and it was good for a while until the thing started overheating again. I'm using a cooling pad and the plugin (cpu savior works wonders) and hope my com doesn't fry on me one day.
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
August 14 2008 20:18 GMT
#98
I posted a topic on the iccup forums about adding CPU savior to the launcher; the general vibe I got is they're not really considering it or it can't be done.

One thing we could do is nag Blizzard to fix the problem
blabberrrrr
Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
August 14 2008 20:23 GMT
#99
On February 06 2008 10:13 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2008 10:10 ray1234 wrote:
this is false advertising

Come on now, did you really expect an AI (Z)sAviOr?



Hahahhaha I did
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
September 15 2008 01:54 GMT
#100
Updated for patch 1.15.3.

http://r-1.ch/cpusavior-1.5.zip
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Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
September 15 2008 02:44 GMT
#101
thank you

i was waiting one for new patch
IMBA
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
September 15 2008 03:23 GMT
#102
thank you. I can now play on bnet again ^^
blabberrrrr
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36383 Posts
September 15 2008 03:29 GMT
#103
what an awesome icon r1ch
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-16 06:24:15
September 15 2008 03:33 GMT
#104
MTG!, thanks always for the stuff you do for the community.
I have ass for brains so,
even when I shit I'm droping knowledge.
-orb-
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5770 Posts
September 15 2008 03:35 GMT
#105
Fuck yeah new version!

You should really try getting hte iccup staff to include this in the iccup launcher, that'd make my day.

And yeah your new animated icon rocks
'life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery'
how sad that sc2 has no shield battery :(
NPU)Disso(
Profile Joined September 2008
United States14 Posts
September 15 2008 05:32 GMT
#106
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-15 05:34:58
September 15 2008 05:34 GMT
#107
On September 15 2008 14:32 NePlus(Ultra) wrote:
What exactly is the point of this? If you need a program to reduce the amount of CPU useage a 10 year old game uses, I think you should stop using a 10 year old computer. You can get a mid-range dual or quad core with atleast an 8xxx series graphics card for like ~600 these days.

I have a Core 2 Duo computer and SC is taking up 50% CPU usage. Maybe you should take a look at task manager after logging on to battle.net and see for yourself.

And lol at thinking getting a geforce 8 series video card will change anything. Just shows how misinformed you are
blabberrrrr
NPU)Disso(
Profile Joined September 2008
United States14 Posts
September 15 2008 05:50 GMT
#108
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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-15 05:55:56
September 15 2008 05:54 GMT
#109
On September 15 2008 14:50 NePlus(Ultra) wrote:
Yeah, I've got an E8400 running @ 4.2ghz and Starcraft takes about 56% CPU useage, but that is because its only utilizing 1 core. What the hell does it matter? Does it slow my machine down in the least bit? Nope. Infact, I can run Prime95 with Large FFTs and Starcraft still runs smooth and fine.

saves energy, money, environment, less heat, more CPU life, etc (ie. all the advantages of not working your CPU as hard)

I mean if you wanna kill your CPU faster, go ahead...

edit: not saying your CPU is gonna die from SC, but it's still not as healthy as using CPU Savior
blabberrrrr
Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
September 15 2008 05:56 GMT
#110
Try having starcraft eating 60% of your cpu, and then live stream a tournament with 14 other applications open. Don't use it if you dont need it?
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
September 15 2008 05:56 GMT
#111
Awesome R1CH, I'm loving this extension

My machine is already overkill for Starcraft, but I like it anyways.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
September 15 2008 05:57 GMT
#112
On September 15 2008 14:50 NePlus(Ultra) wrote:
Yeah, I've got an E8400 running @ 4.2ghz and Starcraft takes about 56% CPU useage, but that is because its only utilizing 1 core. What the hell does it matter? Does it slow my machine down in the least bit? Nope. Infact, I can run Prime95 with Large FFTs and Starcraft still runs smooth and fine.
I guess you really do need the extra 6000~ frames per second
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NPU)Disso(
Profile Joined September 2008
United States14 Posts
September 15 2008 06:17 GMT
#113
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Narrator
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States868 Posts
September 16 2008 05:41 GMT
#114
I love you R1CH. Will you marry me?!
Jaskwith
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States197 Posts
September 16 2008 06:34 GMT
#115
thank god for the new patch, only way that i was able to see this old thread, awesome plugin!
sMi.jaSK
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-09-17 04:44:51
September 16 2008 10:27 GMT
#116
EDIT: nevermind, my pc was just being screwy
Schnake
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany2819 Posts
September 16 2008 10:56 GMT
#117
On September 15 2008 14:32 NePlus(Ultra) wrote:
What exactly is the point of this? If you need a program to reduce the amount of CPU useage a 10 year old game uses, I think you should stop using a 10 year old computer. You can get a mid-range dual or quad core with atleast an 8xxx series graphics card for like ~600 these days.


If you neither understand the benefit of the plugin nor need it, then shut up and don't post. There are enough people, like myself, who play on a laptop and benefit GREATLY from this super duper plugin.
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liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
September 16 2008 11:04 GMT
#118
On September 15 2008 15:17 NePlus(Ultra) wrote:
Seeing as how the human eye can really only process 30 frames per second I think it is, you're right, I do!


just cause it can 'see' 30 doesn't mean you cant perceive anything higher.
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jaleel
Profile Joined September 2008
1 Post
September 28 2008 04:17 GMT
#119
This plugin is a MUST for people who play SC on their laptops.
Sakoulaki
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Greece54 Posts
June 25 2009 22:53 GMT
#120
Hello and first of all sorry for the bump.
Is there a way to use CPU Savior for the latest patch (1.16.1) ?

Many thanks to R1CH for all the amazing work!
blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
June 25 2009 22:56 GMT
#121
On June 26 2009 07:53 Sakoulaki wrote:
Hello and first of all sorry for the bump.
Is there a way to use CPU Savior for the latest patch (1.16.1) ?

Many thanks to R1CH for all the amazing work!

if you read the patch notes, you'll see that a similar function has already been implemented into the game
blabberrrrr
aeonshifter
Profile Joined April 2009
United States123 Posts
June 25 2009 22:58 GMT
#122
On June 26 2009 07:53 Sakoulaki wrote:
Hello and first of all sorry for the bump.
Is there a way to use CPU Savior for the latest patch (1.16.1) ?

Many thanks to R1CH for all the amazing work!


It's built in now:


-------------------------------------------------------------------------
- patch 1.16.1
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Feature Changes

- In-game Speed Options menu now has a "Enable CPU Throttling" checkbox.
Enabling this option will allow StarCraft to consume fewer CPU cycles. By
default this option is off.

Sakoulaki
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Greece54 Posts
June 25 2009 23:00 GMT
#123
Wow you are really fast!
Thanx again tl.net!
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
January 11 2010 02:23 GMT
#124
CPU Savior 1.6 supporting 1.16.1 is now available for those of you who have issues with CPU Throttling.
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BraveNewWorld
Profile Joined December 2009
United States229 Posts
January 11 2010 04:26 GMT
#125
does this mean there will be more lag too?
"who is bisu anyway" - torm3ntin (Jan. 19th, 2009)
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
January 11 2010 04:36 GMT
#126
no maestro!?
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9776 Posts
January 11 2010 04:40 GMT
#127
why do we need savior if its built in?

not trying to demean your plugin, just trying to understand.
boomer hands
Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
January 11 2010 04:44 GMT
#128
what exactly does cpu throttling do?
does it make the game slower or is it always advised to use it?
ok dont not so good something is something ok ok ok gogogo
arcticStorm
Profile Joined January 2009
United States295 Posts
January 11 2010 04:59 GMT
#129
On January 11 2010 13:26 BraveNewWorld wrote:
does this mean there will be more lag too?


Lag has more to do with network/internet issues than hardware/computational issues
This statement is a lie.
Loser777
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
1931 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-11 05:03:31
January 11 2010 05:03 GMT
#130
On January 11 2010 11:23 R1CH wrote:
CPU Savior 1.6 supporting 1.16.1 is now available for those of you who have issues with CPU Throttling.

Isn't this unnecessary now, especially with the CPU Throttling function built in?
6581
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
January 11 2010 05:05 GMT
#131
Did you even read what you quoted?
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Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
January 11 2010 05:06 GMT
#132
On January 11 2010 14:03 Loser777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 11:23 R1CH wrote:
CPU Savior 1.6 supporting 1.16.1 is now available for those of you who have issues with CPU Throttling.

Isn't this unnecessary now, especially with the CPU Throttling function built in?


If you read what you quoted...

I've been using your timerInfo exe to get rid of my bnet menu lag. I don't know if this would accomplish the same thing but I'll try it out.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
January 11 2010 05:11 GMT
#133
On January 11 2010 14:06 Durak wrote:
I've been using your timerInfo exe to get rid of my bnet menu lag. I don't know if this would accomplish the same thing but I'll try it out.


It should, provided you disable CPU Throttling.
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Mobius
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada1268 Posts
January 11 2010 05:45 GMT
#134
seen (Z)sAviOr so i clicked
Entusman #51
Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
January 11 2010 06:10 GMT
#135
Thanks for the update. Really appreciate it. I've been getting bnet menu lag and slight ingame mouse lag as well with just throttleing feature.

I just wish it was allowed with iccup ah plugin..
IMBA
darnoconrad
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada110 Posts
January 11 2010 06:17 GMT
#136
Thanks R1CH, BW would not be the same without you. I seriously think Blizzard should be paying you and MoC.
Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be convinced by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone. - Ayn Rand
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
January 11 2010 06:42 GMT
#137
On January 11 2010 15:10 Cadical wrote:
Thanks for the update. Really appreciate it. I've been getting bnet menu lag and slight ingame mouse lag as well with just throttleing feature.

I just wish it was allowed with iccup ah plugin..

It shouldn't be detected by iccup, but chaos launcher refuses to load it for some reason.
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Cadical *
Profile Joined September 2005
United States469 Posts
January 11 2010 06:44 GMT
#138
On January 11 2010 15:42 R1CH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2010 15:10 Cadical wrote:
Thanks for the update. Really appreciate it. I've been getting bnet menu lag and slight ingame mouse lag as well with just throttleing feature.

I just wish it was allowed with iccup ah plugin..

It shouldn't be detected by iccup, but chaos launcher refuses to load it for some reason.


Oh I see, I found it odd because before the chaos launcher update it used to work (old version of cpu savior) with iccup ah.
IMBA
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
January 11 2010 07:48 GMT
#139
I think I removed it from the whitelist a few updates ago since there was no cpusavior for 1.16.1.
Get the latest Chaoslauncher (0.5.4.3) and it will work again.
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BraveNewWorld
Profile Joined December 2009
United States229 Posts
January 11 2010 23:10 GMT
#140
ok so just to clarify this is basically a surrogate for the cpu throttling except this doesnt have the small jitter/lag the throttling comes with right?

"who is bisu anyway" - torm3ntin (Jan. 19th, 2009)
SuperKiller
Profile Joined December 2004
United States97 Posts
January 11 2010 23:29 GMT
#141
omfg I never knew about the cpu throttling... ugh I feel like such a dumbass. I've been told about it before but I didn't understand what they meant because they didn't say it was an SC menu option.

thanks for the bump!
BraveNewWorld
Profile Joined December 2009
United States229 Posts
January 15 2010 05:26 GMT
#142
btw, aren't the functions of this basically the opposite of what nagle's algorithm does?
"who is bisu anyway" - torm3ntin (Jan. 19th, 2009)
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
January 17 2010 04:29 GMT
#143
On January 12 2010 08:10 BraveNewWorld wrote:
ok so just to clarify this is basically a surrogate for the cpu throttling except this doesnt have the small jitter/lag the throttling comes with right?

Correct.

On January 15 2010 14:26 BraveNewWorld wrote:
btw, aren't the functions of this basically the opposite of what nagle's algorithm does?


Nagle's algorithm is related to TCP coalescing, I have no idea what it has to do with throttling BW. Maybe you're thinking of something else? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagle's_algorithm
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asianskill
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States289 Posts
April 18 2010 18:30 GMT
#144
What is the password to extract?
herrro
daniel_NOcheats
Profile Joined April 2017
3 Posts
April 25 2017 16:50 GMT
#145
how do i get it to work plz help
pebble444
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Italy2499 Posts
April 25 2017 17:13 GMT
#146
Dude, Use mca launcher instead
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art_of_turtle
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-25 17:14:14
April 25 2017 17:13 GMT
#147
[image loading]

Its on mca64launcher
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