On September 19 2026 05:57 Vasoline73 wrote: One instance of the bot running on ladder would be awesome but running it with maphack and potentially having multiple instances of it running on ladder is not great.
It's amazing the bot is MADE though, I want to see non-maphack games against Korean pros ASAP!
Bots doing maphack kinda ruins the point tbqh. Yeah i'd like to see non-maphack bot too
On September 19 2026 05:40 TMNT wrote: These stuff are too hard for me to understand but if I had a wish I'd like to see the results of Pluto (P) vs Pluto (T) vs Pluto (Z) for 1000 games on Fighting Spirit.
Most bots are race-specific. They can't just switch races on a whim. Furthermore, bot balance would have little bearing on human balance.
Pluto does play all races (out of necessity since it's trained on self-play).
T > Z (~70%) Z > P (~60%) T > P (~60%)
Overall winrate T >> Z > P
This data definitely does not transfer well to human play. Pluto doesn't use or understand Shuttles and does not have good enough building placement to do forge walls so it relies on one-base play in PvZ.
On September 19 2026 05:40 TMNT wrote: These stuff are too hard for me to understand but if I had a wish I'd like to see the results of Pluto (P) vs Pluto (T) vs Pluto (Z) for 1000 games on Fighting Spirit.
Most bots are race-specific. They can't just switch races on a whim. Furthermore, bot balance would have little bearing on human balance.
Of course. I just want to see at superhuman level which race is the best (probably Zerg, but that's why we need some sort of confirmation).
Also, can this be a possibility: how about we train the bots by having them machine learn from pros' replays?
On September 19 2026 06:38 PurpleWave wrote: Pluto does play all races (out of necessity since it's trained on self-play).
T > Z (~70%) Z > P (~60%) T > P (~60%)
Overall winrate T >> Z > P
This data definitely does not transfer well to human play. Pluto doesn't use or understand Shuttles and does not have good enough building placement to do forge walls so it relies on one-base play in PvZ.
Damn, tesagi is confirmed, gg 😉
EDIT: Dang, Artosis is fast. Can't compete with professional content creators, I just finished work an hour ago 😆
no APM limit and uses maphacks? almost got worried there for a second
if a robot can dominate the bw ladder without maphack, good for humanity, EZ path to the stars if a robot "" without maphack AND human level APM, TEN THOUSANDS YEARS OF DULLNESS AND QUIET MISERY FOR THE SONS OF ADAM
The 40 minute game vs P (rep from cwal) suggests it is relatively weak vs early game reaver drop followed by restricting 3rd.From memory 45 to 25 worker count post drop and the game went 25 mins longer than it needed with bot turtling on 2 base.
watching larva's stream vs the bot, the turn rate drops to an abyssmal 8 TR and he can no longer muta micro. if you watch paralyze's games closely, he was literally missing about 40% of his reaver shots, probably because of 8 TR (maybe he had TR display turned off, can't tell because his SC UNI logo blocks top left corner). almost certainly, he wouldn't have lost so much against MM if he had 24 TR reaver micro
On September 19 2026 11:11 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: The 40 minute game vs P (rep from cwal) suggests it is relatively weak vs early game reaver drop followed by restricting 3rd.From memory 45 to 25 worker count post drop and the game went 25 mins longer than it needed with bot turtling on 2 base.
Pluto has not come across reaver/shuttle in self play, so it humorously discounts the risk posed by a shuttle and is quite weak to it. Snow would likely tear it apart with his micro!
Insane development in Starcraft since the end of Kespa. The games showed a variety of strategies being executed that we rarely see from BOTH SIDES. I will try cast as many of them as possible below.
Wait so all this time the answer to 2hatch muta was to skip turrets completely and just get stim+range asap? Is this going to cause an immediate meta shift in TvZ?
anyone has a link to a vod from larva's stream when he played pluto? I can only imagine his reaction when he is getting trapped in terrans base by pure marines and cannot scale. This just never happens.
On September 19 2026 16:12 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: anyone has a link to a vod from larva's stream when he played pluto? I can only imagine his reaction when he is getting trapped in terrans base by pure marines and cannot scale. This just never happens.
EPT
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