EPTUSA and Canada almost never gets games at tr24 low because its mostly vs koreans.
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
USA and Canada almost never gets games at tr24 low because its mostly vs koreans. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia918 Posts
Would u say if in europe u would get most of your games not at tr24 low and most games at tr14 and below? yeah Overall I assume it is country/ISP specific, Europe can have large discrepancies. I'd expect NA on average to hit more KR players than EU, but specifics may vary. | ||
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
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Oystein
Norway1602 Posts
On February 22 2024 11:57 rusty23456 wrote: suprised you can even get tr16 vs kor without VPN which makes me a bit sus. All things considered from bottom F ranks to top of ladder S ranks EU/SA gets matched with the least amount of koreans compared to all other regions Thats where the "or even worse" part comes from. I get everything from TR16low that is playable to unplayable extra high 12/10/8 games and everything in between. I also get a lot of TR16low where the game is just slow and we need to turn on high latency for it to go at normal speed. | ||
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
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WorsT21
Romania6 Posts
For every korean that EU doesn't match when queue-ing, there's one korean that dodges an NA game. We play our game, win or lose mmr, while you guys just get the +30 instead. It doesn't take a genius to figure that NA players consistently get more than twice the free wins we do because of that (but thank god you guys aren't inflated from only playing SA/EU, right?). EU players don't get that many dodgers, because foreigners don't usually dodge for latency reasons (not to a relevant degree anyway). If an EU player does get a large amount of free wins, that's likely because they're arledy rated considerably high enough on the ladder that the matchmaking system doesn't have anyone to match them against except koreans, and in that case your argument falls flat. The point is, these things mostly even out somewhere in the middle, but this shouldn't concern you anyway, you haven't posted in years before waking up yesterday and deciding today is the day to chatcraft so I can understand why you had no idea about the points I made above. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands841 Posts
On February 22 2024 11:02 Oystein wrote: As others have already said it matters a lot when you play and at what MMR. If I play mornings/daytime EU I match mostly Koreans, normally I play most of my hours 22-04 CET and naturally match a lot more EU/Americas players. Through a lucky streak of koreans leaving and actually beating several 2300+ guys I once hit 2490+ and when I tanked that account back to 2300 I did it playing almost exclusively Koreans without using a VPN, while normally I match a lot of foreigners around 2k-2.3k. Also Koreans leaving seems to mainly be a thing at higher MMR, at A rank I feel most Koreans plays the game even though its TR16low or even worse, while people at 2400+ are way more likely to leave the game if its not 24low. So the higher MMR you get the more free wins you actually receive (which is another reason why ladder qualifications for tournaments is a bad format). observed the exact same thing you detail here. Low S rank you are unlikely to get inflation from leaves or from Beating europeans. But it can happen. It is how Artosis got his 2300 or 2400 mmr one time. Once you reach Mid S rank you suddenly get a lot more top level koreans who just want good turnrates and dont care about losing mmr because they are good enough to easily get it back in good TR games. If you look at match history of some top amateurs or pros, they often leaves four to five games in a row to avoid bad turnrates. If you want to extrapolate true mmr, track who the top foreigners are winning against and losing to, and which MMr they usually hang around. for example absolute tends to win against Dewalt, so Absolute would be higher than Dewalt. If you can somehow track individual stats against players you can extrapolate a rough true mmr | ||
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Jealous
10146 Posts
On February 22 2024 12:42 rusty23456 wrote: the long queue time is showing that it is first searching for EU and if no EU opp then SA and other. If cannot find any then lastly it matches with kor. So kor is last priority for matchmaking. rusty23456: Here is my theory. EU player: Eh, not entirely true in my experience. rusty23456: Here is my theory. Another EU player: Well, there are caveats, time considerations, etc. rusty23456: Here is my theory. Yet another EU player: Based on my games, this isn't true. rusty23456: Here is my theory, except this time split up between three consecutive posts. Ad nauseam. Something tells me that you came in here already 100% convinced that what you believe is true, regardless of how many people disagree with you or what arguments they present. If so, then why waste your time making a thread and writing all these posts? Just felt a little spicy today, wanted to ruffle some feathers? ![[image loading]](https://thoughtcatalog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/a-flowchart-to-help-you-determine-if-yoursquore-having-a-rational-discussion.jpg) | ||
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LG)Sabbath
Argentina3022 Posts
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Shinokuki
United States859 Posts
On February 22 2024 18:11 WorsT21 wrote: It's obvious you're either trolling, completely clueless or both, but fine, I'll take the bait. For every korean that EU doesn't match when queue-ing, there's one korean that dodges an NA game. We play our game, win or lose mmr, while you guys just get the +30 instead. It doesn't take a genius to figure that NA players consistently get more than twice the free wins we do because of that (but thank god you guys aren't inflated from only playing SA/EU, right?). EU players don't get that many dodgers, because foreigners don't usually dodge for latency reasons (not to a relevant degree anyway). If an EU player does get a large amount of free wins, that's likely because they're arledy rated considerably high enough on the ladder that the matchmaking system doesn't have anyone to match them against except koreans, and in that case your argument falls flat. The point is, these things mostly even out somewhere in the middle, but this shouldn't concern you anyway, you haven't posted in years before waking up yesterday and deciding today is the day to chatcraft so I can understand why you had no idea about the points I made above. I think we can all agree that past 2300++, everyone starts matching with koreans and players get free pts because koreans at this level don't wanna play anything less than tr 24 low which is why you see dandy at like 2900. Is he 2900? Nope because thats the mmr where even likes of soma/hero struggle to win. They hover at around 2500-2700 and if dandy is 2900 that's a big joke | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands841 Posts
On February 23 2024 00:07 LG)Sabbath wrote: I'm not sold on the idea that matchmaking eventually makes you play most people at times, I think there's a hard region lock, mainly because over many years there are many many south americans that I have not matched even once, I play mostly vs KR. Just by chance I should be matching other people of the same mmr that are playing near my region, but I simply do not. In fact the game seems to prefer matching me 3 times in a row vs a korean on TR8 extra high rather than anyone else on the ladder. Match making algorithm prioritizes MMR and then connectivity. If two locations are directly connected through a singular deep sea cable, and then high quality land net cables, you will have good connectivity even if you're on the other side of the world. But if you for example want to connect to Peru from Poland, you first connect to Amsterdam through a land cable. Then you connect to The Hague through land cable, then you connect to the deep sea cable which goes directly to Brasil. From Brasil to Peru you have just low quality land cables. That's just one possibility. Look at the map and you'll find that Matchmaking is heavily reliant on the physical medium that channels the connection. Also note that all of South America has NO direct Sea cable going to Asia. It goes to North America first, which then goes to Japan, and from japan another set of cables goes to Korea. Also note that there's massive Data centers inbetween each of these mediums. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/T1JUwSk.jpeg) Also keep in mind Blizzard has squashed the entire MMR system since the first season. MMR used to go way over 3000 for the entire top part of S rank. Now it has all been squashed down to where S rank barely goes over 2600 in the top 10. Pros easily get 2500-2700 if they put some effort into it. top Amateurs get anywhere from 2400 to 2600 depending on their streaks. | ||
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iRkSupperman
Norway130 Posts
Seems like the latter to me. | ||
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FriedrichNietzsche
92 Posts
could very well be that facing (not playing ofc!) koreans is an upside on ladder for individual mmr in the grand scheme of things.. | ||
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Ivory Coast856 Posts
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
On February 22 2024 18:11 WorsT21 wrote: It's obvious you're either trolling, completely clueless or both, but fine, I'll take the bait. For every korean that EU doesn't match when queue-ing, there's one korean that dodges an NA game. We play our game, win or lose mmr, while you guys just get the +30 instead. It doesn't take a genius to figure that NA players consistently get more than twice the free wins we do because of that (but thank god you guys aren't inflated from only playing SA/EU, right?). EU players don't get that many dodgers, because foreigners don't usually dodge for latency reasons (not to a relevant degree anyway). If an EU player does get a large amount of free wins, that's likely because they're arledy rated considerably high enough on the ladder that the matchmaking system doesn't have anyone to match them against except koreans, and in that case your argument falls flat. The point is, these things mostly even out somewhere in the middle, but this shouldn't concern you anyway, you haven't posted in years before waking up yesterday and deciding today is the day to chatcraft so I can understand why you had no idea about the points I made above. So first off you agree to the fact that EU hits less koreans on ladder as well as overall play less koreans compared to NA (but its not only NA, other regions Australia,China, etc...). Your are saying that mmr just balances out by koreans leaving due to latency. The latency isn't as bad as you would assume and koreans play it out enough. EU vs EU good latency has a fair share of games left due to mirror matchups MMR diffrences as well. I mean above 2200 mmr, mmr differences may be less of a case however this is definitely the case below 2200 mmr. The lower the MMR the more of a factor this becomes. At the mid point of 1900 ish MMR for example, there is a substantial skill gap between a 1900 MMR korean vs a 1900 MMR EU. A 1900 MMR EU vs 1900 MMR EU ladder game is NOT played at the same skill level as a 1900 MMR korean vs 1900 MMR korean ladder game, If you think otherwise i suggest u get yourself a VPN to korea and test it out yourself before you come to your conclusion. | ||
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rusty23456
United States110 Posts
On February 23 2024 00:07 LG)Sabbath wrote: I'm not sold on the idea that matchmaking eventually makes you play most people at times, I think there's a hard region lock, mainly because over many years there are many many south americans that I have not matched even once, I play mostly vs KR. Just by chance I should be matching other people of the same mmr that are playing near my region, but I simply do not. In fact the game seems to prefer matching me 3 times in a row vs a korean on TR8 extra high rather than anyone else on the ladder. As a sample i just checked couple of your most recent accounts you are based in SA. Around last 10 games or so ACCOUNT : ZAELOT 1. Ra-mss - unknown 2. freeStar[GCN] - korea 3. zYojuan -peru 4. IIIIIlIllII - peru 5. LeaSt - usa 6. Rkd_Joe- peru 7.yatchmaster - peru 8. IllIIIllIlIII - finland 9. 432434242343424- peru 10. K-Hub_Port - unknown 11. JangKaYouSul - korea 12. JangKaYouSul - korea 13. suarez - uruguay ACCOUNT : GRankZerg 1. EzOk - russia 2. aaaaaaaaaav - korea 3. dM-Zasz - costa rica 4. Samwiseee - usa 5. mackerel. - korea 6. x2v2m - croatia 7. Shadow)Drunken - argentina 8, Shadow)Drunken - argentina 9. BM]akrangel - peru 10. 090807'6'5'4'3 - unknown 11. HSP1112 - brazil Just by chance I should be matching other people of the same mmr that are playing near my region, but I simply do not Data shows you match mostly with people near your region of South America I play mostly vs KR. You should make sure you check your data before you assume u play vs MOSTLY vs kr. As you can see you DO NOT mostly vs. koreans. | ||
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