EPTI am in no way criticizing him or saying he sucks but what has he done lately?
How Good is ElkY?
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HungrYBuM
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I am in no way criticizing him or saying he sucks but what has he done lately? | ||
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Muhweli
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Liquid`Nazgul
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fifth Terran vs Zerg record in OGN 5 (or 4, don't know exactly) times OGN top 16 in a row | ||
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sage.francis
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PoP
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WCG 2k2 : Top 5 OGN 2k2 : 4th (SKY) | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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get your facts straight or don't say anything at all, that doesn't help | ||
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nEph^Destroyer
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Breeze
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Liquid`Nazgul
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when you have a dream and this dream is about to be blown away by a bunch of maphacking/abusing Koreans (with less skill than yourself) you might do things that you normally wouldn't do. | ||
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Breeze
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Sw1tCh
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Liquid`Nazgul
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*Together with all your french friends they've got nothing to do with Elky here. | ||
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Breeze
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ejai63
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Bleww
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Jar_Ly
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Jar_Ly | ||
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ejai63
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ilnp
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and my ass is fuckin hairy | ||
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TheOdMan
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iGgs
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TheLegend
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suLTan[CaN]
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fillherman
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Shockey
United States2615 Posts
On July 23 2003 21:15 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Elky is not the abusing kind of type. when you have a dream and this dream is about to be blown away by a bunch of maphacking/abusing Koreans (with less skill than yourself) you might do things that you normally wouldn't do. the ends don't justify the means. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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proefkonijntje
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rei
United States3594 Posts
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PunkSkeleton
Poland226 Posts
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Fox
United States408 Posts
So I mean that should answer your question about Elky. Also I've seen Elky beat yellow straight up, I've seen him beat Boxer straight up, and I've seen him beat Reach straight up. Anyone who can do that is fucking good. He's the best player in the world who is not korean. Simple as that. He shows the skillz and displays it in tournaments. Fox | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
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Snakeyez
Canada456 Posts
On July 24 2003 00:15 tenbagger wrote: elky having the best record TvP in OGN is kinda deceiving because he's played so many fewer games than boxer. I know you think very highly of elky's TvP, but I don't think its as good as his TvZ. I think it's a well accepted fact that elky is not as good as nada, boxer or xellos, but after that, he can match up with anyone. Naz, I got a question for you. Rate the terran you'd least like to face in a major tournament: Elky, Kos, Sync, themarine. how many people are as good as boxer, nada and xellos? oh wait u just named the 3 best players in the world =[ | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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then Elky, then Sync & TheMarine btw Elky beat both Reach and Kingdom | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
and naz, I know a win is a win but the game against kingdom was 100% cheese win. It doesn't exactly reflect his tvp gosuness. But it's interesting to see that you think elky's tvp is better than sync. I snuck in Kos there because if you ranked elky's tvp higher than Kos, then I would have known your opinion was biased. But you passed that test. GJ naz! | ||
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Fox
United States408 Posts
On July 24 2003 00:40 tenbagger wrote: hey snakeyez, that's my point exactly! and naz, I know a win is a win but the game against kingdom was 100% cheese win. It doesn't exactly reflect his tvp gosuness. But it's interesting to see that you think elky's tvp is better than sync. I snuck in Kos there because if you ranked elky's tvp higher than Kos, then I would have known your opinion was biased. But you passed that test. GJ naz! no offense but where do you draw the line on cheese? I mean gundam "rushes" but I don't think it's cheese. Fox | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On July 24 2003 01:01 Fox wrote: no offense but where do you draw the line on cheese? I mean gundam "rushes" but I don't think it's cheese. Fox cheese = strat highly dependent on random factors | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
On July 24 2003 01:08 mindspike wrote: cheese = strat highly dependent on random factors what are random factors | ||
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Breeze
Bulgaria989 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On July 24 2003 01:22 Breeze wrote: If Elky really is the best non-korean player now, the only conclusion I can make is non-koreans level of play (except Elky's) must have been going down at an unbelievable pace the last 7 months Wrong, the korean level of play has been going up at a rather high pace  Second, Grrr and elky is the only two foreigners in korea. They are the best 2 foreigners in my opinion. | ||
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
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Soldier[DM]
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ilnp
Iceland1330 Posts
On July 24 2003 00:40 tenbagger wrote: hey snakeyez, that's my point exactly! and naz, I know a win is a win but the game against kingdom was 100% cheese win. It doesn't exactly reflect his tvp gosuness. But it's interesting to see that you think elky's tvp is better than sync. I snuck in Kos there because if you ranked elky's tvp higher than Kos, then I would have known your opinion was biased. But you passed that test. GJ naz! Before the game Elky put in a request to play as Zerg (he had registered as a T player, not random) and Kingdom said no, so elky was forced to play Terran ;O Kingdom being afraid of elky's zerg is a victory in and of itself:D | ||
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Shockey
United States2615 Posts
On July 24 2003 01:08 mindspike wrote: cheese = strat highly dependent on random factors who gives a fuck. if he does a "cheese" strat and you lose to it it's you own fault. if i 4pool you every game in a series of 7 and i still win, i'm the better player. it doesn't matter how you do something as long as you get it done. nazgul "cheesed" jinnam in about starcraft, but he won didnt he? you could say naz sucks and it was luck, but he was on the show the next week wasn't he? | ||
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baal
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
On July 23 2003 22:13 ilnp wrote: elky is good like my ass is hairy and my ass is fuckin hairy i doubt it | ||
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MORAGA
United States323 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
Before he used to be a super-elite TvZ like BoxeR, going 3-1 vs Yellow (I will admit, they were practice games, but they were still incredible performances by both players). Now Junwi owns his like no tommorrow, and he has trouble against Zerg in general Also, if you look at him in the Team Leagues he loses his games a lot. Recently he lost to a member of Ktec(IS), COME ON (to be fair, IS has been getting a lot of lucky wins lately). I hate to propose this idea, because I like Elky, but could he be becoming another Mumyung!? He manages to qualify for the Starleagues but he has done bad in them for the last two seasons. It's still way to early to tell definetively whether or not this is true. Does Elky suck? Hell no, no matter how dissapointing he is on a pro-gaming level he could still kick any of our asses (2-1 vs Froz). But relative to his Korean pro-gaming peers he has been very dissapointing. | ||
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Shockey
United States2615 Posts
On July 24 2003 02:48 baal wrote: its gay to say that he is good cuz of his record on OGN, as far as i know jju has the higest rank in OGN but just cuz he ahs played only a cople of games, so if i play one TvZ and win it i have 100% of wins but that doesnt make me better than boxer, elky is good but get real, he doesnt have the best tvp in the world. umm OGN starleague is the best progaming league in the world. he makes it every season, therfore he is not only the #1 non korean, he is also in the top 20 world atleast. | ||
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mindspike
Canada1902 Posts
On July 24 2003 02:34 Shockey wrote: who gives a fuck. if he does a "cheese" strat and you lose to it it's you own fault. if i 4pool you every game in a series of 7 and i still win, i'm the better player. it doesn't matter how you do something as long as you get it done. nazgul "cheesed" jinnam in about starcraft, but he won didnt he? you could say naz sucks and it was luck, but he was on the show the next week wasn't he? if u 4 pool every game then u wont win a 7 game series u might get 'lucky' once and win 1 or 2 games thats why its called cheese | ||
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GundamVX
United States1025 Posts
On July 24 2003 01:31 FrozenArbiter wrote: Wrong, the korean level of play has been going up at a rather high pace Second, Grrr and elky is the only two foreigners in korea. They are the best 2 foreigners in my opinion. Wait...I thought Leg was in Korea too... When did Naz stop playing in Korea? (I guess I haven't been following the BW scene in Korea very closely -_-) | ||
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PPV_Jimmy
United States641 Posts
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Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
That's all there is to it. | ||
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Shockey
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tokeweed
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Legionnaire
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Casper...
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Mora
Canada5235 Posts
On July 24 2003 03:23 NeX[CHaP]ReaPeR wrote: Elky was better then than he is now. No he wasn't. Did he suddenly get stupid? Did he suddenly forget how to do things he's done for years beforehand? no. Comparatively, he hasn't been increasing in skill at the speed that other progamers are but he hasn't gotten worse. ;( | ||
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rei
United States3594 Posts
those are not seirous games. Actually almost all of the big names in tlt isn't playing for real, they all holding back for sure. | ||
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XGs_oNeiLL
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suLTan[CaN]
Canada322 Posts
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
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shaui
Austria52 Posts
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
On July 24 2003 13:27 shaui wrote: but elky has 37-11 stats in tld and veg[pg] 47-7 Elky is better in bed | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
- Ranked #8 among terran players of all time. - Ranked #15 vZ player of all time. Over is the likes of Garimto, HOT, Nada and Yellow. - Ranked #18 TvP of all time - Ranked #8 TvT of all time. - Ranked #10 TvZ of all time. Now, these are in no way accurate uip-to-date statistics as pgr21.com record every tv broadcasted game. But it is still impressive as hell. (btw, boxer has an all-time tvz win % of 70%. How scary is that) | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On July 24 2003 09:25 XGs_oNeiLL wrote: elky is very gosu, i think he won 11 times in a row or something that made news in broodwar sites. so he is very gosuuuuuuu As far as I remember, ElkY made a streak of 8 straight wins in SKY starleague, defeating Jinnam, GARIMTO, Oddysay, Sync and Chojja before losing to Reach. He also had some wins from the duel and challenge league I think. Even more impressive was Boxer himself in the same tourney, going 10-0 and finally beating TheBoy's old record of 8 straight. Raped ElkY 3-0 in the semi's as well. | ||
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
On July 24 2003 13:27 shaui wrote: but elky has 37-11 stats in tld and veg[pg] 47-7 hahahahaha ha | ||
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Breeze
Bulgaria989 Posts
If you think Koreans have some special genes that help in gaming you are complete dorks. Just look at wcg it was in their fucking home and still half of them didn't make it through the groups the first time around, and we all know it didn't run smooth at all the second time around. All of a sudden they looked like casual gamers when they faced foreigners, but you guys only needed to see them in their stupid space suits next week to restart praising the godly skills of each single one of them. There are probably 30-50 non-korean players in the course of bw history that would do as good or better than Elky in Korea if they had the opportunity to go there and wanted to remain there ;(. | ||
Waxangel
United States33144 Posts
On July 24 2003 14:58 Breeze wrote: There's no much point of having a discussion about it... seems to me that you guys think it is hard for foreigners to beat korean "progamers" and you get excited about elky winning some games vs them. Well guess what they can play 24 hours a day 5 years straight and still only the talented ones will be better than talented players of other countries. Only if two almost equally gifted players have different ammount of practice this would make a difference If you think Koreans have some special genes that help in gaming you are complete dorks. Just look at wcg it was in their fucking home and still half of them didn't make it through the groups the first time around, and we all know it didn't run smooth at all the second time around. All of a sudden they looked like casual gamers when they faced foreigners, but you guys only needed to see them in their stupid space suits next week to restart praising the godly skills of each single one of them. There are probably 30-50 non-korean players in the course of bw history that would do as good or better than Elky in Korea if they had the opportunity to go there and wanted to remain there ;(. Would you stick to being super pro bulgarian please ;(? | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On July 24 2003 15:07 Waxangel wrote: Would you stick to being super pro bulgarian please ;(? Yes briz gogo progamer make! Cya in korea - i get internet soon  | ||
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GundamVX
United States1025 Posts
On July 24 2003 14:58 Breeze wrote: There's no much point of having a discussion about it... seems to me that you guys think it is hard for foreigners to beat korean "progamers" and you get excited about elky winning some games vs them. Well guess what they can play 24 hours a day 5 years straight and still only the talented ones will be better than talented players of other countries. Only if two almost equally gifted players have different ammount of practice this would make a difference If you think Koreans have some special genes that help in gaming you are complete dorks. Just look at wcg it was in their fucking home and still half of them didn't make it through the groups the first time around, and we all know it didn't run smooth at all the second time around. All of a sudden they looked like casual gamers when they faced foreigners, but you guys only needed to see them in their stupid space suits next week to restart praising the godly skills of each single one of them. There are probably 30-50 non-korean players in the course of bw history that would do as good or better than Elky in Korea if they had the opportunity to go there and wanted to remain there ;(. T H E O R Y C R A F T 'Nuff said -_- | ||
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Breeze
Bulgaria989 Posts
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x[ReaPeR]x
United States3447 Posts
On July 24 2003 07:38 Teroru wrote: No he wasn't. Did he suddenly get stupid? Did he suddenly forget how to do things he's done for years beforehand? no. Comparatively, he hasn't been increasing in skill at the speed that other progamers are but he hasn't gotten worse. ;( Yea yea yea, cut the bullshit. There is no way pro-gamers from Ktec can get that much better than much faster than Elky. Also, if Grrr.. can get worse, anyone can get worse. | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
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On July 24 2003 15:45 GundamVX wrote: T H E O R Y C R A F T 'Nuff said -_- WCG isn't exactly a theory. Every time when foreigners meet the 'top 4' Koreans at WCG the Koreans suffer losses and yet everyone thinks they're godly or something. Why? (though there's not 30-50 people who could do as good as Elky) | ||
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ForgoTTeN-SupeR
United States786 Posts
On July 24 2003 13:27 shaui wrote: but elky has 37-11 stats in tld and veg[pg] 47-7 Well why don't you look at how many of Veg's games are on Bifrost and then you'll understand? Veg is good yes, but he is master on Bifrost and pwns everyone. | ||
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ejai63
United States2101 Posts
On July 25 2003 06:50 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote: WCG isn't exactly a theory. Every time when foreigners meet the 'top 4' Koreans at WCG the Koreans suffer losses and yet everyone thinks they're godly or something. Why? (though there's not 30-50 people who could do as good as Elky) Still the Koreans usually go 5-2 or 6-1, which is a VERY good winning percentage against some top players from around the world. Expecting all 4 koreans to go 7-0 and win the top 4 spots is unreasonable. Plus, the competition for this year's WCG will probably be a lot tougher than previous years | ||
Klogon
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
Altho I would think NaDa is less scary than boxer (for non-koreans) because of his style of play.. | ||
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
have a look at the last 14 ppl veg played. They ALL have WORSE then a 2-1 win ratio. Else just look at madcows account and you will understand that stats mean very little | ||
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P)x-IcedEarth
Finland2 Posts
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ShAsTa
Belgium2841 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
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On July 25 2003 08:54 ejai63 wrote: Still the Koreans usually go 5-2 or 6-1, which is a VERY good winning percentage against some top players from around the world. Expecting all 4 koreans to go 7-0 and win the top 4 spots is unreasonable. Plus, the competition for this year's WCG will probably be a lot tougher than previous years wrong. considering that you are one of those people that think you can't compare Rekrul with Nada 6-1 and 5-2 are no *good* results. Rekrul can beat Nada like Froz can beat Boxer. | ||
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InFiNitY[pG]
Germany3468 Posts
On July 25 2003 11:13 ToKoreaWithLove wrote: NaDa? Altho I would think NaDa is less scary than boxer (for non-koreans) because of his style of play.. i'd say it's the other way around. Nada plays unbelievably consistent and makes hardly any misstakes. while you can probably outsmart neither boxer nor nada, you can still outmacro boxer like froz did in wcg if you are prepared for his micro-intesive moves. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On July 25 2003 13:38 InFiNitY[pG] wrote: i'd say it's the other way around. Nada plays unbelievably consistent and makes hardly any misstakes. while you can probably outsmart neither boxer nor nada, you can still outmacro boxer like froz did in wcg if you are prepared for his micro-intesive moves. True but I think the typhical western style of play is more based around macro than korean style (less true than 3 years ago, but still), which means mass strats are more common than the micro intensive wars you often see in the big leagues. And while I fully agree about NaDa being consistent, boxer is far more unpredictable. Heck, mensrea even dubbed it "the boxer factor". | ||
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