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rararara
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redknights
206 Posts
He announced he will participate in ASL 13 and will focus on getting his own skill level up (as opposed to doing Starcraft female college content) | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
On December 24 2021 02:27 redknights wrote: Yes, back as of yesterday playing sponsored matches He announced he will participate in ASL 13 and will focus on getting his own skill level up (as opposed to doing Starcraft female college content) Thank goodness, there's too much Starcraft female college content among the former pros | ||
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arbiter_md
Moldova1219 Posts
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
Will be nice to see JD take StarCraft genuinely seriously again. Question is for how long. | ||
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cha0
Canada504 Posts
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redknights
206 Posts
On December 24 2021 07:02 cha0 wrote: what is starcraft female college content? Afreeca fad of teaching female streamers to play Starcraft against each other, very popular with male viewership and lots of money involved There's a good amount of pros who think it's more lucrative to do female college content rather than keeping up their own 1-on-1 skills. Some examples of pros who are more focused on female college content recently: Action, Shuttle, Calm, Rain, Horang2, Shine, Leta, Hyuk, Sacsri. Even Best, Hero and Stork are getting into college stuff lately. | ||
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
On December 24 2021 07:02 cha0 wrote: what is starcraft female college content? Softcore Broodwar themed video cam content for bored middle aged men with money. | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
Also I think it's kinda cool how melee only pros like Rush stated female players and popular male streamers from other categories, should be included in Afreeca's destruction match as it would bring more entertainment to the BW scene. Cool thing #2 is how Afreeca PD's were discussing the possibility of making "dugouts" for the various colleges at the new live studio after seeing 100k + viewers in the latest school vs school match. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8641 Posts
be grateful that streamers from other games have taken an interest in starcraft and have collaborated with the pros to make new content. starcraft would otherwise be dead, even in afreeca, if it was just a bunch of retired pros playing "competitive" 1v1s all day every day. | ||
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[JXSA].Zergling
China186 Posts
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
If any of those new "college" sc girls starts infiltrating into something like ASL, people will stop watching. There's a reason LoL has 100K viewers daily. Half of them are 11 year olds. BW was dying because all of the top players are either not playing anymore or retired. Put Flash vs Jaedong tomorrow in a Bo5 and watch cumulative amount of 50K people show up out of nowhere. | ||
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zimp
Hungary951 Posts
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
On December 24 2021 17:56 oxKnu wrote: Yeah, right. If any of those new "college" sc girls starts infiltrating into something like ASL, people will stop watching. There's a reason LoL has 100K viewers daily. Half of them are 11 year olds. BW was dying because all of the top players are either not playing anymore or retired. Put Flash vs Jaedong tomorrow in a Bo5 and watch cumulative amount of 50K people show up out of nowhere. Lol you can't be serious thinking these girls will get into the asl. Also, majority of viewers are not going to watch Flash vs JD day after day after day. Get with the times, pro-gamers love the fact there is a new spotlight on BW right now. This way of thinking is so in parallel with elitists in the chess community who were shitting on Hikaru for playing chess with noob entertainment streamers like xQc and camgirls on Twitch. Stop gatekeeping and enjoy the game in all aspects. | ||
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prosatan
Romania7995 Posts
 And he now has 2 youtube channels ! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChK-A6-LYm6Dd_OEKDccbrQ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOp9K7CjksKsve6CkNPzUWg | ||
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prosatan
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feckless
1099 Posts
I'm more curious about: On December 24 2021 17:56 oxKnu wrote: Yeah, right. If any of those new "college" sc girls starts infiltrating into something like ASL, people will stop watching. Aside from the general absurdity of this statement, why did you decide to put quotes around the word "college"? Are they somehow not legitimately college students or graduates? It sounds as if you want to demean their degrees? But more important, why did you use the word "infiltrate", a word with negative connotations, in this sentence? "Infiltrate" implies someone is sneaking in where they are not wanted. Are you implying that these "college" females do not belong? If someone legit qualifies to play BW or play in the ASL, how are they "infiltrating" it? Sorry if I am being a bit of a dick, as I have no idea if English is your first language. But the sentence above (and the intention of this post in general) is just hilarious to me: "These damn 'college'-educated females trying to play BW! They are infiltrating our game, and the ASL! It must remain pure otherwise the 50K people from out of nowhere who normally don't watch won't watch! Quick, get the broken-wristed old-timers Flash and JD! That'll draw in the 50K 11-year-old LoL crowd!" (author's note: Big fan of both players, don't mean any offense by it, especially in a thread for JD. :D) Also, the rest of your post implies no one watches BW anyway ("50K people show up out of nowhere" [italics for emphasis] implies that for the rest of this time, these 50K viewers are not watching, right? IE they are somewhere else), so what difference does it even make if a bunch of people want to stream other BW content for fun and profit? Are you seriously expecting Flash and JD to battle 24/7 on stream? How long do you think that viewership will be sustained? There's a reason LoL has 100K viewers daily. Half of them are 11 year olds. There are plenty of reasons why LoL might have 100K viewers daily. You have actually given none of them. See, half of them being 11 year olds might explain 50% of their viewership, but it actually isn't a reason as to why LoL has 100K viewers daily, or why these 11 year olds happen to make up 50% of their viewership (if this is even a correct statement). Let me put it to you in the form of a Q&A: Q: Why does LoL have 100K viewers daily? A: The reason is that half of them are 11 year olds. Not understanding yet? Okay how about: Q: Why do millions watch soccer/football daily? A: The reason is that half of them are men. See how this actually makes no sense as an answer or a reason? Try again. BW was dying because all of the top players are either not playing anymore or retired. Put Flash vs Jaedong tomorrow in a Bo5 and watch cumulative amount of 50K people show up out of nowhere. Again, there are plenty of reasons to explain why BW "was dying", and many of them have nothing to do with the fact that Flash and JD aren't battling on stream 24/7. Also, why would the 50K 11 year olds that play LoL (and are, according to you, sustaining 50% viewership levels of that game) suddenly decide that watching two e-sports geriatrics in a "dead game" is worth their time? Unless you are saying we would just bring back the 50K people that already watch BW? Either way, doesn't sound like it's going to be sustainable for the future? | ||
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
My post was pretty straight forward and it simply meant if an organizer like Afreeca would decide to change their format for ASL so that they accommodate these new streamers into the bracket that would be a serious wtf move for the vast majority of the current viewerbase. Again, a pretty obvious statement. Very low chance that this will ever happen, but it's the perfect counterpoint to highlight that the two audience don't intersect as much as some people would like to think. Other than that...it's a free world, anyone can do whatever the hell they want with their streams and whatnot. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8641 Posts
On December 25 2021 06:35 oxKnu wrote: ^^ Are you seriously trying to exercise your garbage debating skills on something that was not even close to being interpreted as that kind of a post? I hope you get a clue.. My post was pretty straight forward and it simply meant if an organizer like Afreeca would decide to change their format for ASL so that they accommodate these new streamers into the bracket that would be a serious wtf move for the vast majority of the current viewerbase. Again, a pretty obvious statement. Very low chance that this will ever happen, but it's the perfect counterpoint to highlight that the two audience don't intersect as much as some people would like to think. Other than that...it's a free world, anyone can do whatever the hell they want with their streams and whatnot. this post still highlights that you dont understand the basic principle that is the entire current starcraft audience arent hardcore elitists who only want to watch the pros "compete" on stream through spons or in the asl. you are correct that these noob girl gamers playing in the asl would be a joke. the integrity of the entire tournament would be gone, but how is that relevant to the day-to-day scene? theyre completely separate things. asl viewers watch asl when its on because they want to see a competitive tournament. the rest of the audience watching any sc pro when asl isnt on isnt watching because they want to see asl. theyre looking for entertaining content, and at the moment the new influx in girls is providing that. audiences dont want to see pros grinding games all day on stream as if they were back in their practice houses. | ||
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prosatan
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Broodwar4lyf
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prosatan
Romania7995 Posts
On December 25 2021 21:56 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Out of topic and im sorry for this but what is Rush's youtube channel if he has one? I've searched on Youtube and haven't found anything.. Maybe he hasn't got one  | ||
HaN-
France1919 Posts
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redknights
206 Posts
On December 25 2021 21:56 Broodwar4lyf wrote: Out of topic and im sorry for this but what is Rush's youtube channel if he has one? https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC_RRZdJk55ShXE-9d3deRUA | ||
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prosatan
Romania7995 Posts
 He has few subscribers but many many views | ||
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
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prosatan
Romania7995 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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staatbauhaus
99 Posts
On December 26 2021 04:33 Akio wrote: Does this Basford thing essentially mean he's gonna be sponsored? Not a sponsorship but entering a team like Basford pretty much guarantees a significant increase in viewership, Balloons, and content creation. Can't wait to see Best and JD be the one-two punch combo for Basford. Especially for the scheduled event in January when they will hold a huge offline school vs school event. | ||
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TMNT
2674 Posts
On December 24 2021 02:27 redknights wrote: Yes, back as of yesterday playing sponsored matches He announced he will participate in ASL 13 and will focus on getting his own skill level up (as opposed to doing Starcraft female college content) This post aged so well  | ||
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cha0
Canada504 Posts
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
You can find lists of players on each team here by clicking the team names to go to each team page which has rosters, scores etc: + Show Spoiler + You can see lists of players in each tier here: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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CadenZie
Korea (South)545 Posts
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8641 Posts
On December 26 2021 10:32 cha0 wrote: what is team Basford? Googling around seems to show a football club which I'm sure must be unrelated, but was unable to find whatever it is related to starcraft. its just the name of their team lol. the teams are called "universities" because thats just the concept of the program. the pros are the "professors" and all the other players are the "students". when they play against other teams they play under the "university" banner just like real life college sports | ||
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Beelzebub1
1004 Posts
On December 26 2021 19:30 evilfatsh1t wrote: its just the name of their team lol. the teams are called "universities" because thats just the concept of the program. the pros are the "professors" and all the other players are the "students". when they play against other teams they play under the "university" banner just like real life college sports That's awesome, maybe in a few years the scene will grow from this concept :D | ||
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redknights
206 Posts
LOL as long as he doesn't reverse his announcement of participating in ASL 13 I'll be happy | ||
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oxKnu
1179 Posts
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kogeT
Poland2037 Posts
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
On December 28 2021 14:28 Antisocialmunky wrote: The person who posted the Jaedong/Lomo video is cursed. What's that? I'm out of touch. | ||
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Ideas
United States8091 Posts
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HaN-
France1919 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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jinjin5000
United States1422 Posts
On December 24 2021 11:38 staatbauhaus wrote: Like it or not the female college content gave second wind to BW. Just a few months ago, it was scary seeing BW have only like 7~8k viewers during primetime while the league category was doing 90k. During those low viewership months, some of the pros were getting ready to retire from streaming because they were making no money to support themselves. Also I think it's kinda cool how melee only pros like Rush stated female players and popular male streamers from other categories, should be included in Afreeca's destruction match as it would bring more entertainment to the BW scene. Cool thing #2 is how Afreeca PD's were discussing the possibility of making "dugouts" for the various colleges at the new live studio after seeing 100k + viewers in the latest school vs school match. heres video covering this | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1549 Posts
On December 29 2021 07:41 HaN- wrote: he got rekt like 1-10 today vs Light, Rush, Royal, .. It comes with no surprise after a long period of inactivity, zvt... He did perform much better vs protoss though. | ||
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rararara
115 Posts
JD is not in top form yet, but he plays damn well and his APM is still at 400 fwiw. Haven't really noticed from other FPVODs how tiny decisions snowball and overall gameplay/understanding can make the outcome so clear. Insane at what level these guys are playing. | ||
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feckless
1099 Posts
On December 25 2021 06:35 oxKnu wrote: ^^ Are you seriously trying to exercise your garbage debating skills on something that was not even close to being interpreted as that kind of a post? I hope you get a clue.. Yep. I mean, you posted publicly. If you didn't want a response, then maybe you shouldn't have fucking posted in the first place. What are you implying? That I shouldn't take what you posted seriously? So you are admitting you are a troll? My post was pretty straight forward and it simply meant if an organizer like Afreeca would decide to change their format for ASL so that they accommodate these new streamers into the bracket that would be a serious wtf move for the vast majority of the current viewerbase. Again, a pretty obvious statement. Very low chance that this will ever happen, but it's the perfect counterpoint to highlight that the two audience don't intersect as much as some people would like to think. Other than that...it's a free world, anyone can do whatever the hell they want with their streams and whatnot. Straightforward, you say? This is your original post, verbatim (I'm laughing reading this again): Yeah, right. If any of those new "college" sc girls starts infiltrating into something like ASL, people will stop watching. There's a reason LoL has 100K viewers daily. Half of them are 11 year olds. BW was dying because all of the top players are either not playing anymore or retired. Put Flash vs Jaedong tomorrow in a Bo5 and watch cumulative amount of 50K people show up out of nowhere. I am someone with "garbage" debating skills and a complete dumbass. I want clarification. I direct you to the second paragraph. Again, I have taken NOTHING out of context. There seems to be an argument being made here, but even as a literate person I just can't figure out what the fuck it is. I am not even going to address the rest of the post or how ridiculous any of its contentions are. But let's try to follow this. You say that "college" "sc girls" "infiltrating" ASL (your words) will lead to people not watching. Then you follow this up with a sentence up about this is the reason "LoL" (your example) has 100000 viewers. There is literally an argument, or a statement, or some sort of logic missing between these two things that would lead one idea to another. Or are you admitting now that these two things have NOTHING to do with each other? Which is it? Please clarify. If you're going to complain about my garbage debating skills, the least you could do for small-minded me is to present a clear argument. Good day. See you all in another 3 months. User was warned for this post | ||
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