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blabber
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4448 Posts
July 26 2007 02:21 GMT
#1
What's the best mouse to use for Starcraft? I got a Logitech G5 Laser and it moves kind of different from my old Microsoft Optical it seems like. So is optical or laser mouse better?

Also, what's the ideal sensitivity? Right now I play with 1000 dpi but I'm not sure if that's too low or too high (I imagine that ideally you want higher sensitivity)
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nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
July 26 2007 02:26 GMT
#2
It's all preferences, play around with it son. I use 1200 DPI on MX518 but it's shit mouse (at least for my tiny hands) so... also don't be afraid to use the search function
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
July 26 2007 02:28 GMT
#3
For starcraft the best mouses are:
Logitech MX300/G3/G1
Logitech Mini Optical
KTEC mouses

Progamers mostly use the Mini Optical.
Higher sensitivity = better.

DPI doesn't have effect in starcraft because of the low resolution.
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
July 26 2007 02:35 GMT
#4
I use a Logitech optical mouise (standard) so no additional software, etc....just Windows Mouse settings lol, I play on 4-5..-_-
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DOgMeAt
Profile Joined August 2005
Czech Republic142 Posts
July 26 2007 02:36 GMT
#5
razer !
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sc0rchedst0rm
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Ireland176 Posts
July 26 2007 02:41 GMT
#6
I use G5 latest edition on 2000dpi in maximum reports per second setting with acceleration off and the second from top in game sensitivity setting.

Could never go back to an "ordinary" mouse, too slow! I might try that 3200 dpi Saitek mouse though.
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rpf
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2705 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-26 02:58:05
July 26 2007 02:56 GMT
#7
Expensive mice are less important for RTS's as they are for FPS's. I use a revised G5, and it's just fine, but it's complete overkill for BW.

There's a thread in the CS:S CAL-O forum at www.caleague.com on mouse optimization. Go read it.

Edit: Puoso is wrong. Higher sensitivity is not better. The trick is finding the right ratio of Windows sensitivity, mouse sensitivity (on Logitech, Razer, etc. gaming mice), in game sensitivity, and DPI based on your game's resolution.
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atmablade
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States334 Posts
July 26 2007 03:09 GMT
#8
I suggest taking of mouse acceleration in the Windows Mouse options. I used MouseFix when I played CS 1.6/Source and it helped. Just find a comfortable sensitivity and stick with it.
BigSausage
Profile Joined July 2007
Canada194 Posts
July 26 2007 03:16 GMT
#9
theres no difference once u set speed to max, all the game mouse and shit r just made to rip u off. stop buying into their dumb marketing shit. a logitech with more colour and cooler shape = 50$ more. WOW
turretlame
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland176 Posts
July 26 2007 03:28 GMT
#10
MX300, G1, G3, but I use Razer DeathAdder nowadays. And I've noticed that it is harder for me to do some things, comparing to G1.
...
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
July 26 2007 03:45 GMT
#11
there is no best mouse
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Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 26 2007 03:52 GMT
#12
On July 26 2007 12:45 Shauni wrote:
there is no best mouse
estebannam
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States187 Posts
July 26 2007 03:57 GMT
#13
Ther is no best mouse... some ppl likes this mouse some ppl hate it like i hate ball mouses so i use lazer mouse... you can use any mouse to play sc but u just need to get used to it and see which 1 is comfortable to u
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atmablade
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States334 Posts
July 26 2007 03:58 GMT
#14
I was looking for a G1 recently, but could'nt find a place that sold it to the US, anyone know???
fuglyfrog
Profile Joined July 2007
United States521 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-26 04:02:53
July 26 2007 04:00 GMT
#15
So what is the best mouse for Starcraft that allows you to play optimally but does not have a rip off price (i.e. Isn't over priced because of crap like brand name, color and useless design features).
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
July 26 2007 04:18 GMT
#16
right now i use a Compaq mouse that came with my computer
PoP-sicle
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada418 Posts
July 26 2007 05:14 GMT
#17
I have a razor diamondback but my setting are only 3/10 of the sensitivity, depend of you man
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
July 26 2007 05:51 GMT
#18
On July 26 2007 12:45 Shauni wrote:
there is no best mouse
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Shiva_Chandra
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Denmark341 Posts
July 26 2007 06:33 GMT
#19
Most used mouse is the logitech mini optical thingy, which is also super cheap so..

1+1=2?
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mR.Sephiroth
Profile Joined April 2005
Germany296 Posts
July 26 2007 06:35 GMT
#20
Trackball
XCetron
Profile Joined November 2006
5226 Posts
July 26 2007 06:37 GMT
#21
Touchpads.
dementus
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Singapore1151 Posts
July 26 2007 06:48 GMT
#22
lol, bizzare question. stuff like mice and settings are rather personal preferences. you can probably glean that from the range of responses/recommendations you've been getting in this thread.

imho, unless you're a crazed all-out gamer (fps games especially), a simple logitech optical will suffice for bw. then again, this is just my opinion, and i'm sure some people enjoy playing bw using hyper sensitive mice, so yea. you just have to see and test them all out for yourself.
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Asakura
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
Germany471 Posts
July 26 2007 06:56 GMT
#23
On July 26 2007 12:58 atmablade wrote:
I was looking for a G1 recently, but could'nt find a place that sold it to the US, anyone know???

I think it isn't produced or sold anymore, but I'm not sure about it. However, it is not listed anymore on Logitech.com (in fact in no country) and I haven't seen it in any stores for about one year... Maybe check ebay or something if you think it's worth it.

Topic: As everybody said, there is no best mouse. It begins with different ergonomic shapes of someone's hands. For me it is the Logitech G1 at the moment because it's light, not bad looking, smooth in movement and precise.
For mouse sensitivity, everybody should consider his own preferences. Neither do I like it slow nor too fast, so it's rather between slow and fast.
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
July 26 2007 07:13 GMT
#24
On July 26 2007 12:45 Shauni wrote:
there is no best mouse
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Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
July 26 2007 07:16 GMT
#25
As long as your mouse is functional it's really not important what kind of mouse you have.
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1080 Posts
July 26 2007 07:31 GMT
#26
I use a Logitech Mini Optical Mouse Plus with high sensitivity.

Its a very small mouse that is designed for laptop users. It small and light and very good for starcraft IMO. And I like high sensitivy for quick twitchy movements. Works for me.
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Zanno
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1484 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-26 07:40:32
July 26 2007 07:38 GMT
#27
On July 26 2007 12:16 BigSausage wrote:
theres no difference once u set speed to max, all the game mouse and shit r just made to rip u off. stop buying into their dumb marketing shit. a logitech with more colour and cooler shape = 50$ more. WOW
this isn't true at all

cheap mice have crappy sensors that track very poorly to the motion of your hand. even between other high end gaming mice there's a scientifically observable difference in how well they perform under stress. the deathadder is probably the best mouse on the market right now in terms of accurately measureing the movement of your hand (its not in the major article, it came after it was written and has its own separate article).

it's less of a big deal in rts than fps but it's definitely noticable. whenever i visit my parents i take my mouse with me if i feel like playing starcraft there, i cannot do a worker split on my parent's stock dell mouse at all, the thing is very unreliable in tracking the motions of the mouse

not to mention gaming mice come with extended warranties so if you break your mouse send it back and get a new one indefinitely for 3 years ^_^
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
July 26 2007 07:39 GMT
#28
vista users, what drivers do you guys use for your op minis?

I have no idea what to do since I'm running vista and my old drivers don't work on vista TT
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Kennigit *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada19447 Posts
July 26 2007 08:15 GMT
#29
I have my mouse set to 800,000 DPI
afrikanboy
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
35 Posts
July 26 2007 08:42 GMT
#30
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No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
July 26 2007 10:39 GMT
#31
and the hotkeys? im use a microsoft intellimouse 5.0 and it have many buttons that i dont use anymore...when i buy it, i put the ctrl, shift and tab in the mouse's buttons... now i've returned to my old keyboard... what do you recommend for the buttons and sensibility??
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Rush
Profile Joined April 2003
United States408 Posts
July 26 2007 10:41 GMT
#32
MX300 ftw
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koryano321
Profile Joined June 2007
United States309 Posts
July 26 2007 10:46 GMT
#33
i have actually heard some ppl use trackballs... but i dunno if that was true or not in korea.
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gEzUS
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada371 Posts
July 26 2007 11:09 GMT
#34
ive never used a laser mouse that was unusable or DOESNT TRACK THE MOVEMENT OF MY HAND. its a mouse its pretty basic. i like my mx518 but if i had to play on a shit mouse it certainly wouldnt ruin my game
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
July 26 2007 12:24 GMT
#35
On July 26 2007 12:45 Shauni wrote:
there is no best mouse


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oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2933 Posts
July 26 2007 13:21 GMT
#36
On July 26 2007 11:28 Puosu wrote:
For starcraft the best mouses are:
Logitech MX300/G3/G1
Logitech Mini Optical
KTEC mouses

Progamers mostly use the Mini Optical.
Higher sensitivity = better.

DPI doesn't have effect in starcraft because of the low resolution.

SOME progamers use the mini optical

most just use the average mouse that suits their hand well, and that they are used to

sea uses a soccerball mouse, nal ra a ball mouse, and many with small hands use a mini.

Sensitivity also should suit your preferences.
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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
July 26 2007 13:25 GMT
#37
On July 26 2007 22:21 oshibori_probe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2007 11:28 Puosu wrote:
For starcraft the best mouses are:
Logitech MX300/G3/G1
Logitech Mini Optical
KTEC mouses

Progamers mostly use the Mini Optical.
Higher sensitivity = better.

DPI doesn't have effect in starcraft because of the low resolution.

SOME progamers use the mini optical

most just use the average mouse that suits their hand well, and that they are used to

sea uses a soccerball mouse, nal ra a ball mouse, and many with small hands use a mini.

Sensitivity also should suit your preferences.

I just said most progamers use the mini optical.

Seas soccerball mouse = Mini optical
Nal_rA ball mouse = Logitech Mini something, same mouse but not optical.
IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
July 26 2007 14:41 GMT
#38
Hahha dude it doesnt matter acutaly lazer would be worst to use on such a low reslution game like sc and becuase sc is such a small screen reslution the dpi as long as its around 800 shouhld be fine the higher dpi for such an low reslution woudl be too hard to use but yeah i would say best ot use would be an optical like mx518 it really depends where you like it but a higher dpi and a lazer mouse semi messes up on lower dpi becuase you move it faster and the lazer cant keep up so you keep occasional skipping if you move too fast you settings seem fine though and the people that say razer of the G series are the best are mostly fanboys that found a nice looking a feeling product i would say for sc the razer dimonback, G1 or any of the mx series are find dimondback and the mx series would be easiest to find in the U.S.

i would say get a good mouse pad first haha

(copperhead and G5 use the same lazer and similar drivers they give the same performance heh go figure but they are ment for high dpi high resolution screens oh yeah update your g5 you might be behind on the frimware yes the mouse has firmware and if its an non 2007 verson its behind on it this will give it better reporting also dl the latest verson of set point and change the MHz from 500 to 1000 so its moer stable it shouldn't affect anything unless you computer is crap you can change it where you change your dpi heh)

sorry for any typos im lazy i dont care
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IzzyCraft
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4487 Posts
July 26 2007 14:46 GMT
#39
Just 1 rule to buying a nice mouse really

1. Try it out and see if you like it DUH
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silverleaftree
Profile Joined April 2007
20 Posts
July 26 2007 15:12 GMT
#40
I use either a razer copperhead or logitech mx310 at 800 dpi and 6/10 sensitivity. I move my mouse mostly by fingertips, so the shape of these mice fit well.
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
July 26 2007 15:19 GMT
#41
i recently got a Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade 1600dpi Optical Mouse
after my other mxduo mouse broke on me after a few years.

it was cheap as hell on ebay refurbished, is almost as "good" as the copperhead, and if you are not that picky it was a very good buy in my opinion.

also i heard that the copperhead has issues and is too small for some people.

and it was only like 27 with shipping. not bad
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CustomXSpunjah
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1093 Posts
July 26 2007 15:32 GMT
#42
copperhead being too small? isn't it even bigger than the mx300?
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-07-26 16:05:43
July 26 2007 16:05 GMT
#43
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DrainX
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Sweden3187 Posts
July 26 2007 16:50 GMT
#44
If you want a ballmouse or if this was 8 years ago I would have said go for a Logitech Wingman Gaming Mouse Since they havnt been in production in years and since there are optical mice that are better today id say go for a mx300 (Open it and remove the built in metal weights though).
Elsi
Profile Joined October 2002
United Kingdom8173 Posts
July 26 2007 16:54 GMT
#45
With my razer, my buttons seem fucked, then left hand one doesn't double click no more, how can solve this problem? Now I can't double click a file, so I must right click and select open!

also i cannot double click on a man, before with my old mouse, if i double clicked on an item, it would select them all!

any solutuons please
sc0rchedst0rm
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Ireland176 Posts
July 28 2007 10:14 GMT
#46
On July 26 2007 23:41 IzzyCraft wrote:
Hahha dude it doesnt matter acutaly lazer would be worst to use on such a low reslution game like sc and becuase sc is such a small screen reslution the dpi as long as its around 800 shouhld be fine the higher dpi for such an low reslution woudl be too hard to use but yeah i would say best ot use would be an optical like mx518 it really depends where you like it but a higher dpi and a lazer mouse semi messes up on lower dpi becuase you move it faster and the lazer cant keep up so you keep occasional skipping if you move too fast you settings seem fine though and the people that say razer of the G series are the best are mostly fanboys that found a nice looking a feeling product i would say for sc the razer dimonback, G1 or any of the mx series are find dimondback and the mx series would be easiest to find in the U.S.

i would say get a good mouse pad first haha

(copperhead and G5 use the same lazer and similar drivers they give the same performance heh go figure but they are ment for high dpi high resolution screens oh yeah update your g5 you might be behind on the frimware yes the mouse has firmware and if its an non 2007 verson its behind on it this will give it better reporting also dl the latest verson of set point and change the MHz from 500 to 1000 so its moer stable it shouldn't affect anything unless you computer is crap you can change it where you change your dpi heh)

sorry for any typos im lazy i dont care


Never had a mouse better than a Lazer one, tbh. Never had any problems like what you describe.

As already stated, I use my G5 on 2000 DPI in Starcraft, and its perfectly fine. And I don't know about everyone else, but I knew it had Firmware. And about the full reports (1000 MHz) setting. I had a Diamondback, didn't like it.

I would agree with the getting a good mousemat statement. I found my 5L Steel pad made as much of a difference to my gaming as the mouse,
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HypersonicEspo
Profile Joined August 2005
United States74 Posts
July 29 2007 07:49 GMT
#47
Mouses make a huge difference. Theres 2 ways to hold a mouse by either palming it(bad way) or fingering it(good way) both are viable but fingering just gives you better control and that's a fact. Most of logitechs gaming mice you can't even hold properly and except for maybe habu and deathadder razers mice are still a little off. As for what's the best mouse at the moment it's logitech g3 without a doubt but if you have huge hands the deathadder might be for you.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
July 29 2007 08:43 GMT
#48
No mouse is the best, just choose one that you feel most comfortable with. I, at one point, was pretty obsessed with getting a new mouse thinking it would help me get better somehow. Then someone much, much better than me told me he just used a regular Dell mouse, I pretty much got over it then and there.
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HypersonicEspo
Profile Joined August 2005
United States74 Posts
July 29 2007 09:03 GMT
#49
Your not very smart. When I first got a gaming mouse I saw my control in game take a HUGE jump. It's a freaking fact some mice are better and it does matter.
mahnini
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States6862 Posts
July 29 2007 09:11 GMT
#50
On July 29 2007 18:03 HypersonicEspo wrote:
Your not very smart. When I first got a gaming mouse I saw my control in game take a HUGE jump. It's a freaking fact some mice are better and it does matter.

Please, do explain.
I never said every mouse was made equal, I said use the one you feel most comfortable with so you don't go off blowing $50 on a mouse that sucks on the advice of forum members who will obviously have different tastes than you.
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sc0rchedst0rm
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Ireland176 Posts
July 30 2007 03:33 GMT
#51
On July 29 2007 18:11 mahnini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 29 2007 18:03 HypersonicEspo wrote:
Your not very smart. When I first got a gaming mouse I saw my control in game take a HUGE jump. It's a freaking fact some mice are better and it does matter.

Please, do explain.
I never said every mouse was made equal, I said use the one you feel most comfortable with so you don't go off blowing $50 on a mouse that sucks on the advice of forum members who will obviously have different tastes than you.


Yeah, I'd recommend just sticking with what you know. If you're used to something you'll be better with it, and the fact that the alternative is "better" doesn't mean it'll work out better for you. Maybe in the long run.

There's stilll something to be said for quality mice though. Not the be all and end all though.

As to the palming/fingering comment, while it made me snigger, I know what you're saying and it's true enough. I have pretty big hands so I found the G5 was the perfect size (maybe on the very of almost too small even), and I just generally like the look/feel/performance of it more than others I've tried.
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