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Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-27 15:10:25
December 15 2020 08:49 GMT
#1
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http://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/65619921

    League format:

6-team Bo5 round-robin --> Bo7 single elimination playoffs

Bo5: 4x entry 1v1 + ACE 1v1

Bo7: 4x entry 1v1 + 3x ACE 1v1 (any player eligible unless already played in one of the ACE matches)
    Map pool:

Eclipse, Benzene, Ringing Bloom, Shakuras Temple, Polypoid
    Team captains:

ZerO, Soma, Light, Larva, Snow, Best

(FlaSh declined due to personal circumstances)

UPDATE: Flash will run his own team after all.

    Draft order:

Best --> Snow --> Larva --> Light --> Soma --> ZerO --> ZerO --> Soma --> Light --> Larva --> Snow --> Best --> Best --> Snow --> Larva --> Light --> Soma --> ZerO

(Team captains will have the freedom to add up to 2 more players to their team once the draft concludes)
    Prize pool:

1st place: ~9,1k USD
2nd place: ~4,5k USD
3rd place: ~2,7k USD
4th place: ~1,8k USD
    Broadcast schedule:

Jan 04 - Team draft (FreecUP Studio)
Jan 17, 19, 24, 26, 31; Feb 2, 7, 9 - Round-robin (online)
Feb 18 - Playoffs R1 (FreecUP Studio)
Feb 21 - Playoffs R2 (FreecUP Studio)
Feb 28 - Finals (FreecUIP Studio)
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WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Zergxhx
Profile Joined November 2020
China145 Posts
December 15 2020 08:47 GMT
#2
Great!
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-15 09:18:41
December 15 2020 08:50 GMT
#3
[image loading]

http://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/65620703

The StarCraft ASTL team unit, featuring the best StarCraft players, returns to Season 2.

ASTL, which started last season 1 with various companies, will be comprised of a total of 6 teams in this season 2 and is recruiting sponsor companies to support each team.

Together, 'team sponsors' receive a number of benefits for branded companies or products on ASTL broadcasts.

Please see the details below, and if you have any interests or inquiries, please email us and we will provide you with detailed information.



So we ask for your interest and participation.



A) Team Sponsor Participation Objective: Individual and Corporate Business

B) Team Sponsor Recruitment Period: Dec 14 (Monday) ~ Dec 31 (Thursday)

C) Competition period: January 17 (Sunday) ~ February 28 (Sunday)

D) Team Sponsorship Amount: Minimum amount of 5 million won or more

→ Team priority is given to the sponsoring company that sponsored the most

E) Consultation email: aslstarleague@naver.com

F) Benefits of team sponsorship:

→ Company and product branding via ASTL Season 2 broadcast and participating team uniforms

→ Apply ASTL Season 2 team name and promote company name when broadcasting

→ Apply a patch to the player's uniform

→ Temporary advertising display (but competitive gaming companies need consultation)
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
December 15 2020 08:50 GMT
#4
Hopefully nobody has a stork level meltdown during the draft
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
December 15 2020 09:01 GMT
#5
Any English coverage?
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10668 Posts
December 15 2020 09:15 GMT
#6
It is only 4.5 - 4.6K to sponsor a team? That is not much really, let's sponsor a ASTL team.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
whylessness
Profile Joined November 2010
United States376 Posts
December 15 2020 09:27 GMT
#7
hype
kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
December 15 2020 09:50 GMT
#8
Prizepool should be in millions?
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-15 10:25:29
December 15 2020 10:16 GMT
#9
On December 15 2020 18:50 kogeT wrote:
Prizepool should be in millions?


i didnt think putting 10 billion USD as the first place prize could go over anyones head :c
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1502 Posts
December 15 2020 10:40 GMT
#10
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".

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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
December 15 2020 10:59 GMT
#11
On December 15 2020 19:40 ZZZero.O wrote:
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".



Really? I think this takes half of team hype away. Nothing better than having a league with characters, stories etc. around teams.. and you can only get that over time.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 15 2020 11:16 GMT
#12
so it has been confirmed ZZZero thinks proleague sucked

wow
WOW
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
December 15 2020 11:34 GMT
#13
On December 15 2020 19:59 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 19:40 ZZZero.O wrote:
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".



Really? I think this takes half of team hype away. Nothing better than having a league with characters, stories etc. around teams.. and you can only get that over time.


This is my problem with ASTL as well. I literally don't care about the teams in ASTL at all, there's nothing riding on anything, it's just random players put together for one event and it's hard to want to get invested in it at all. I appreciate it's finally a kind of teamleague format, but it's nowhere near as good or interesting to follow as proleague was or heck even Moo Proleague.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28637 Posts
December 15 2020 11:42 GMT
#14
On December 15 2020 19:59 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 19:40 ZZZero.O wrote:
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".



Really? I think this takes half of team hype away. Nothing better than having a league with characters, stories etc. around teams.. and you can only get that over time.


Imo it works in Korea where there have been enough competitive players to form several competitive teams + teams aren't all that big. Outside Korea, at least after ~2001 or so, there's pretty much always been one really dominant team, sometimes two.

I definitely agree that it is, in theory, better to have teams with long histories and consistent players and stuff showing up. But I would much rather have a balanced team league than a bunch of fairly meaningless fluff ending with Irk vs Soul.
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ZZZero.O
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland1502 Posts
December 15 2020 12:46 GMT
#15
On December 15 2020 19:59 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 19:40 ZZZero.O wrote:
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".



Really? I think this takes half of team hype away. Nothing better than having a league with characters, stories etc. around teams.. and you can only get that over time.



I agree that the hype is there because of these things and I like regular teams proleague.
Don't over interpret what I said, it's just my opinion of how I would do it if I would do it.
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kogeT
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2037 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-15 12:56:02
December 15 2020 12:53 GMT
#16
On December 15 2020 20:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 19:59 kogeT wrote:
On December 15 2020 19:40 ZZZero.O wrote:
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".



Really? I think this takes half of team hype away. Nothing better than having a league with characters, stories etc. around teams.. and you can only get that over time.


Imo it works in Korea where there have been enough competitive players to form several competitive teams + teams aren't all that big. Outside Korea, at least after ~2001 or so, there's pretty much always been one really dominant team, sometimes two.

I definitely agree that it is, in theory, better to have teams with long histories and consistent players and stuff showing up. But I would much rather have a balanced team league than a bunch of fairly meaningless fluff ending with Irk vs Soul.


Remove korean teams from the equation and you have quite a dynamic top4 of foreign teams.
https://www.twitch.tv/kogetbw
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
December 15 2020 12:55 GMT
#17
On December 15 2020 20:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 19:59 kogeT wrote:
On December 15 2020 19:40 ZZZero.O wrote:
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".



Really? I think this takes half of team hype away. Nothing better than having a league with characters, stories etc. around teams.. and you can only get that over time.


Imo it works in Korea where there have been enough competitive players to form several competitive teams + teams aren't all that big. Outside Korea, at least after ~2001 or so, there's pretty much always been one really dominant team, sometimes two.

I definitely agree that it is, in theory, better to have teams with long histories and consistent players and stuff showing up. But I would much rather have a balanced team league than a bunch of fairly meaningless fluff ending with Irk vs Soul.




I totally understand that, my favorite league is STPL, and it's possibly a Soul monologue and maybe Wiko a little / quite a bit further. Although I always hope that NETWARS and IRK will one day make it.
But I guess that also has its magic.

Likewise, if ASTL 2 goes well, the sponsors SK TELECOM, KT Rolster, Hwaseung OZ, CJ Entus return ...

Dreaming is free
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13973 Posts
December 15 2020 15:46 GMT
#18
Did Flash just decline captaincy or participation in the league?
Kaina + Drones Linkcro Summon Cupsie Yummy Way
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-15 15:51:55
December 15 2020 15:46 GMT
#19
On December 15 2020 21:53 kogeT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2020 20:42 Liquid`Drone wrote:
On December 15 2020 19:59 kogeT wrote:
On December 15 2020 19:40 ZZZero.O wrote:
Cool.

Was thinking about doing something like this with BSL for foreigners, I like this way of forming teams for teamleague much more than regular "teams".



Really? I think this takes half of team hype away. Nothing better than having a league with characters, stories etc. around teams.. and you can only get that over time.


Imo it works in Korea where there have been enough competitive players to form several competitive teams + teams aren't all that big. Outside Korea, at least after ~2001 or so, there's pretty much always been one really dominant team, sometimes two.

I definitely agree that it is, in theory, better to have teams with long histories and consistent players and stuff showing up. But I would much rather have a balanced team league than a bunch of fairly meaningless fluff ending with Irk vs Soul.


Remove korean teams from the equation and you have quite a dynamic top4 of foreign teams.


I'd be interested to see how this season of BWCL is going to go now NaS are back. It's been pretty much iRk and SouL the last 3 seasons + one or two other teams that seem to get smashed in the Semis. Maybe I'm looking at it wrong and maybe this is a more recent thing, but even in STPL if you removed WHITE from the equation (because if you factor in just SouL's foreign roster I think they'd still be one of the top teams) in season 1 and 2 it's been pretty much NetWars and iRk at the top with NaS just behind then everyone else so I think you'd still end up with 3-4 stable teams at the top of the board. I think that's just how things work in teamleagues without a draft or something. It's the same in football, but due to the teams changing a lot due to players getting older and money changing hands a lot there's a bit more variance.

I can see why people maybe wouldn't like that, but it never really bothered me much in the proleague days when KT, SKT and CJ were owning everyone. It helped that I supported SKT I guess, but even rooting for your team knowing they're not going to win (see football and mid table teams for instance) can be fun especially if there's upsets.
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 15 2020 16:22 GMT
#20
On December 16 2020 00:46 Cricketer12 wrote:
Did Flash just decline captaincy or participation in the league?


flash turned down the chance to lead a team, we'll see if he's chosen to compete once sign ups have closed
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
December 15 2020 18:15 GMT
#21
Great news, though I'm sad the Snow/Action power couple probably won't continue. Any hope of official English casts?
bracala
Profile Joined August 2019
95 Posts
December 15 2020 19:00 GMT
#22
On December 15 2020 18:01 lechatnoir wrote:
Any English coverage?


Yea! Where we can spam Afreeca for Tastosis to cast??
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3678 Posts
December 15 2020 19:14 GMT
#23
Yes! Would be awesome if tastosis were to cover this one.
Season 1 was awesome to watch regardless, so can't wait for this one to start!
A bit of a shame that its only 6 teams and over such a short time period. Would really love to see a proleague-esque league that lasts like half a year.
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
December 15 2020 19:51 GMT
#24
I'm not certain whether eSport.fund should step in or not, and I personally find pros vs cons equilibrium.
I've filled this for the Committee and will revert with decision on public.
patyrykin.net
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
December 16 2020 12:04 GMT
#25
What team would you like to vote for?
Poll: What team would you support?

(Vote): ZerO
(Vote): Soma
(Vote): Light
(Vote): Larva
(Vote): Snow
(Vote): Best

patyrykin.net
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
December 16 2020 12:18 GMT
#26
which team is esportfund sponsoring?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1919 Posts
December 16 2020 12:29 GMT
#27
I think it would make sense to choose a player that isn't completely disconnected from the foreign scene, so:
ZerO cause he streams on Twitch.
Snow cause he expressed interest in having some of his YT content subtitled in english (by jinjin).
Calendaraka Foxhan
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 16 2020 13:01 GMT
#28
the one with flash on it for ez money
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
MinixTheNerd
Profile Joined July 2019
200 Posts
December 16 2020 13:26 GMT
#29
I wonder if flash will play random in this league lol
ZAWGURN
Profile Joined July 2018
96 Posts
December 16 2020 22:04 GMT
#30
If Tastosis can't cast maybe Wolf, I know he just casted a TEN event.
CJ herO #1 fan.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
December 16 2020 22:17 GMT
#31
They should have kept S1 teams with a draft to fill in ranks for retiring or non competing players and maybe replace stork as captain. Draft with reverse order from last years finish. That way the 2 weak teams could probably pick a good player returning from the army (such as effort) who could help them get a little further than in the previous season.

That would have created some sort of growing attachment from people to their favourite teams (even if the sponsors changed) and IMHO would have made for a better TL.

Now it will just be another random collection of players playing a series of 1v1 games. Like that there is more BW to watch, sad that it feels like a wasted opportunity.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
December 17 2020 06:27 GMT
#32
Hopes:

Flash to compete (as player, not captain) playing Random
Flash to be on a team with Best
Best to win
May the BeSt man win.
poGDI
Profile Joined November 2002
Sweden87 Posts
December 17 2020 06:49 GMT
#33
This is great thanks for the update!
Yippee ki-yay, motherfucker! Guess whos back?
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
December 17 2020 10:04 GMT
#34
On December 16 2020 21:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
which team is esportfund sponsoring?
This is what we are trying to decide.
patyrykin.net
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
December 17 2020 10:07 GMT
#35
On December 16 2020 04:51 Rus_Brain wrote:
I'm not certain whether eSport.fund should step in or not, and I personally find pros vs cons equilibrium.
I've filled this for the Committee and will revert with decision on public.



What would be the Pros and Cons?

Just curiosity
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-17 10:14:22
December 17 2020 10:13 GMT
#36
Guys, when I filed the case to the team, this is what I've commented (I've allowed myself small edits, so the text is not 100% original):

+ Show Spoiler +
Dear Team,
I just found the post with the Afreeca Star Team League team sponsor request.
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/566863-astl2-to-start-jan-17
The minimum amount is KRW 5,000,000 for the team, which seems to be quite okay for me. But I don't have an ultimate decision, which means I doubt to whether donate or not.
Pros:
- We can have the Fund's logo advertised during the most-watched BW event (which I believe Afreeca events are),
- With KRW5m donated, the balance will still be ~$5k for 2020,
- Considering that every sponsor will contribute at least 5m + prize pool, the multiplier effect will be great (like x10)
Cons:
- Perhaps better save the money for non-kor events, as we already support CM's leagues,
- Perhaps better save money for RCG'21 and BSL? (RCG21 IS expensive, and BSL IS expensive too).


Team comments:
Eriador (Voted YES):
I do think RCG21 and BSL are more important than funding this, but it would certainly be fun to have a 'foreign' team to cheer for - and this is more bridging the non-korean and Korean communities
For 2020 we ended up having $10k spare funds, I would rather spend $5k of those on this, but it's not ideal if some foreign events go unsponsored because we sponsored a korean team.

pG2k4 (Voted YES):
I think this is a good opportunity to put your foot in the door and finally force a bridge between Korean and foreign scene.
I think it is a good try

Gecko (Voted YES):
I'm not sure how the fund would eventually be displayed, as one of the posts there says "Team priority is given to the sponsoring company that sponsored the most" and we'd be in for the minimal amount
for this to have a true bridging effect, koreans would need to learn what the fund is and maybe draw their attention to other stuff that's funded
unclear to me if that would happen from a small patch and 2-3 random shout-outs during the matches
hard to say if it's worth it, if there's no alternative to compare it to
if it's funded, i'd try to boost the fund's sponsorship with further donations. e.g. pledging we give 5k$ and try to get the public to match that to get more presence during the real event. if that's possible.

g0rynich (Voted NO):
im considering saving money for foreign scene. Korean SC BW scene has enough great hype. i vote no

Babymagik voted Yes without significant comments.

Saerjaar did not vote.


I've sent an email to aslstarleague. Let's see what they say.
patyrykin.net
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 17 2020 10:38 GMT
#37
come up with a cool name tho
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
December 17 2020 11:19 GMT
#38
On December 17 2020 19:38 Ziggy wrote:
come up with a cool name tho
Offer
patyrykin.net
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4175 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-17 12:04:56
December 17 2020 12:04 GMT
#39
On December 17 2020 20:19 Rus_Brain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2020 19:38 Ziggy wrote:
come up with a cool name tho
Offer

something specific has to be in the name?

This sounds really awesome.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Hazard17
Profile Joined September 2020
6 Posts
December 17 2020 12:05 GMT
#40
Where is flash?
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
December 17 2020 12:14 GMT
#41
On December 17 2020 21:05 Hazard17 wrote:
Where is flash?


Los 6 mejores puntos de ASL (según la temporada 9 y la temporada 10)

[image loading]

-Los 6 mejores puntos de ASL se convierten en el líder del equipo.

(Si los puntos están empatados, se determina reflejando adicionalmente el desempeño de la temporada anterior)

※ Le informaremos que Youngho Lee (Flash) no puede asistir como líder de equipo debido a circunstancias personales.

Tribune
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia60 Posts
December 17 2020 22:17 GMT
#42
Disappointed to not have any team games like the first season, I thought that was a nice change. Fingers crossed for Tastosis commentary this time though!
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
December 18 2020 03:13 GMT
#43
On December 18 2020 07:17 Tribune wrote:
Disappointed to not have any team games like the first season, I thought that was a nice change. Fingers crossed for Tastosis commentary this time though!

Yeah, the 2v2s at least I'd hoped would make a return.
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
December 18 2020 08:24 GMT
#44
On December 16 2020 21:04 Rus_Brain wrote:
What team would you like to vote for?
Poll: What team would you support?

(Vote): ZerO
(Vote): Soma
(Vote): Light
(Vote): Larva
(Vote): Snow
(Vote): Best




It seems that Snow is well liked by the community
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 18 2020 10:50 GMT
#45
btw i think they were initially planning on teams carrying over between seasons, i wonder what happened for them to reconsider
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4175 Posts
December 18 2020 10:53 GMT
#46
On December 18 2020 07:17 Tribune wrote:
Disappointed to not have any team games like the first season, I thought that was a nice change. Fingers crossed for Tastosis commentary this time though!

yeah I would love to see at least the 2v2 section again.. it was quite fun indeed.

Tha map pool a bit lackluster also.. well anyways, I hope it will be a great tournament nonetheless.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
December 18 2020 21:25 GMT
#47
On December 17 2020 20:19 Rus_Brain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2020 19:38 Ziggy wrote:
come up with a cool name tho
Offer


Full Foreigner
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
oshibori_probe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States2933 Posts
December 19 2020 05:29 GMT
#48
Its probably unrealistic, but would it be possible to use foreign sponsorship as leverage for Tastless/Artosis? Not sure what the math on this is but it would be nice.
Fuck KeSPA.
Moletrap
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1297 Posts
December 19 2020 06:09 GMT
#49
For the record, I'm 100% in favor of the pro casters in Korea like Tastosis doing this in studio. If that's not possible, though, I'd be interested in casting at least some of this if anyone knows who to talk to to get permission for it.
aka Moletrap
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4175 Posts
December 19 2020 07:55 GMT
#50
On December 19 2020 15:09 Moletrap wrote:
For the record, I'm 100% in favor of the pro casters in Korea like Tastosis doing this in studio. If that's not possible, though, I'd be interested in casting at least some of this if anyone knows who to talk to to get permission for it.

That would be lovely tbh
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Jammo
Profile Joined July 2017
31 Posts
December 20 2020 21:17 GMT
#51
On December 19 2020 15:09 Moletrap wrote:
For the record, I'm 100% in favor of the pro casters in Korea like Tastosis doing this in studio. If that's not possible, though, I'd be interested in casting at least some of this if anyone knows who to talk to to get permission for it.


Go for it!!!
ThingArtistic4407
Profile Joined August 2020
20 Posts
December 22 2020 05:25 GMT
#52
Liked astl the first go around .. rooting for scan if he participate again. Resun should have win or at least made final of astl1.
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-31 16:21:15
December 27 2020 09:15 GMT
#53
[image loading]

~~ FlaSh will participate as team leader (instead of BeSt), however team leadership could potentially change mid-season due to FlaSh's 'military service issues'.
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 27 2020 10:51 GMT
#54
I'm just glad it's all 1v1s and not a 3v3 fastest map that decides the series.
Mine gas, build tanks.
att
Profile Joined March 2020
128 Posts
December 27 2020 16:02 GMT
#55
On December 27 2020 19:51 Akio wrote:
I'm just glad it's all 1v1s and not a 3v3 fastest map that decides the series.

I loved the chaos and confusion in the 3v3s it was so baller to watch. ill mis it.
sadego
Profile Joined September 2019
10 Posts
December 27 2020 16:34 GMT
#56
Why isn't Stork drafting again?
Lazyer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States342 Posts
December 27 2020 23:23 GMT
#57
On December 28 2020 01:34 sadego wrote:
Why isn't Stork drafting again?


LOL good joke.. look at what happened the first time around...
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3678 Posts
December 28 2020 18:53 GMT
#58
On December 27 2020 18:15 Ziggy wrote:
due to FlaSh's imminent military service.


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-31 16:34:05
December 31 2020 15:34 GMT
#59
http://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/66340689

Captains:

ZerO
Soma
Flash
Light
Larva
Snow

Draft pool:

Best
Soulkey
Action
Rush
Bisu
Stork
Mini
JyJ
Sharp
Barracks
Killer
Beast
Sorry
Shuttle
hero
free
Mong
Shine
Sacsri
Ssak
nOOB
Yoon
Ample
FBH
Ss1nz
YSC

Effort
Miso
Piano
Zelot
Ggaemo
Pusan
Hyuk
by.maru
ByungSoo (Artuser)
Gaeko
ArtOfZerg
나인채
Oversky
윤기환
성휘경
815
[either Impact or yabsab (same name) tho probably the latter]
Bravo
서현길
Hm
NoBle
전병기
윤호준
Sexy
Mighty

Draft stream 04/01 1900KST
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
FakeFin
Profile Joined December 2018
Germany392 Posts
December 31 2020 15:51 GMT
#60
Its yabsab not impact
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-31 16:02:44
December 31 2020 16:02 GMT
#61
On December 27 2020 18:15 Ziggy wrote:
[image loading]

~~ FlaSh will participate as team leader (instead of BeSt), however team leadership could potentially change mid-season due to FlaSh's imminent military service.


Wait what? I thought Flash was exempt due to his surgery and the gigantic scar he has on his arm/shoulder. Did something change?

Stork was also exempt due to insomnia and Rain due to being a kidney donor. IIRC these were the 3 more relevant pro's with exeptions. Surprise to hear this about Flash.

Will he go to a "desk" job there?
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland299 Posts
December 31 2020 16:15 GMT
#62
by.maru aka Khala in draft pool! hype!!
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-31 16:19:06
December 31 2020 16:18 GMT
#63
On January 01 2021 00:51 FakeFin wrote:
Its yabsab not impact



thats what happens when two people share a name
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 31 2020 16:20 GMT
#64
On January 01 2021 01:02 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2020 18:15 Ziggy wrote:
[image loading]

~~ FlaSh will participate as team leader (instead of BeSt), however team leadership could potentially change mid-season due to FlaSh's imminent military service.


Wait what? I thought Flash was exempt due to his surgery and the gigantic scar he has on his arm/shoulder. Did something change?

Stork was also exempt due to insomnia and Rain due to being a kidney donor. IIRC these were the 3 more relevant pro's with exeptions. Surprise to hear this about Flash.

Will he go to a "desk" job there?



i dunno, the post says 'military service issues', i assumed it meant he's going to the army soon
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
angrypofke
Profile Joined March 2017
Lithuania174 Posts
January 01 2021 13:04 GMT
#65
Wait what? Oversky is in the draft pool? THE oldschool pro oversky? Or is it just someone with the same id?
bracala
Profile Joined August 2019
95 Posts
January 01 2021 16:07 GMT
#66
Do we know anything about english cast for this one,any info?
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
585 Posts
January 03 2021 10:49 GMT
#67
hwat time is the draft tomorrow, anyone knows?
So... BW is back
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
January 04 2021 10:00 GMT
#68
http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar1/229882733
live
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 11:50:30
January 04 2021 10:38 GMT
#69
*please take whatever is in brackets with a big grain of salt, my Korean is very limited
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Draft results:

Round 1:

Snow --> Best

(Snow said that in order to win the league they'll have to beat Flash and Best seems like the right person to do it and he should also manage to do well in PvP and PvZ // Best said he's worried about PvZ)

Larva --> Bisu

(Larva also wanted Best, his aim was to pick people he knows from the Proleague days, hopes Bisu performs like he did in MSL // Bisu thinks putting together an ex-SKT team is kewl)

Light --> Mini

(Light thinks XvP matchups are hard, looks to pick ppl who do well vs P // Mini is surprised he got picked this early)

Flash --> Soulkey

(Flash thinks Soulkey has strong fundamentals // Soulkey thanks Flash for picking him, asks Flash to carry him to victory)

Soma --> Sorry

(Soma considers Sorry a good friend who puts in the work when it comes to practice)

Zero --> Stork

(Agrees Protoss is the race to be worried about right now, thinks it's important to pick someone who does well in vP first and foremost // Stork thinks he does well in situations where both players have the same units at their disposal and recommends Zero pick Rush)

Round 2:

Zero --> Rush

(Zero initially fancied picking Shuttle but concedes Rush has recently been the best performing Terran after Flash and Light)

Soma --> Effort

Flash --> Action

(Something about Action and Soulkey's styles being vastly different)

Light --> hero

Larva --> Ssak

(The casters wonder whether Larva will carry on in his attempt to rebuild SKT, Larva says winning is one thing but winning with style is another // Larva teases picking Hyuk // Ssak contemplates the meaning of life after looking at his team and promises to try hard as long as Larva tries hard as well)

Snow --> JyJ

Round 3:

Snow --> Shuttle

(Asked for a reason, Snow can't think of anything specific that made him choose Shuttle // Snow believes Shuttle was doing well up until about a month ago, Shuttle apologises to his fans for slacking and promises to get back to that level)

Larva requests to call Bisu to ask for advice.

Larva --> Killer

(Larva teases picking Hyuk again, gives up on his dream of putting an all ex-SKT team together and goes for Killer instead)

Light --> Piano

Flash --> free

(Flash is satisfied with his picks so far, agrees Protoss is strong in the current meta and opts to pick one to fill the roster // free knows Flash likes to win and promises to do well)

Soma --> Sharp

(Sharp admits he hasn't been performing well, was worried he might not get picked, thanks Soma // (?) Soma says there's nothing Sharp can't do <3 )

Zero --> Miso

(Zero thinks it's difficult to pick someone at this stage, thinks Miso's ZvZ in 2020 was strong // Miso is ecstatic to be picked // Zero asks Miso to stop shouting and to focus on ZvZ and ZvP // Miso says he's been practicing on ladder unbeknownst to anyone)

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Team captains have the liberty to add up to 2 players to their rosters.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Team rosters:

  • Snow, Best, JyJ, Shuttle

  • Larva, Bisu, Ssak, Killer

  • Light, Mini, hero, PianO

  • Flash, Soulkey, Action, free

  • Soma, Sorry, Effort, Sharp

  • Zero, Stork, Rush, Miso

WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
January 04 2021 10:51 GMT
#70
effort such a late choice? Why are they skipping top talent for lower talent?
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 12:26:15
January 04 2021 10:55 GMT
#71
Snow
Best
JyJ
Shuttle

Larva
Bisu
sSak
Killer

Light
Mini
HerO
PianO

Flash
Soulkey
aCtion
free

Soma
Sorry
EffOrt
Sharp

Queen
Stork
Rush
MisO
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
January 04 2021 11:02 GMT
#72
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
January 04 2021 11:16 GMT
#73
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland576 Posts
January 04 2021 12:05 GMT
#74
On January 04 2021 20:16 MineraIs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT


https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-12&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=4

Effort has 36,4% winrate since coming back from army, far worse than Shuttle or Free for example. Most notable is his 10-22 record against Shuttle, player who has been notoriously bad since his militaryservice. Maps dont help either, most of Efforts wins against protoss are in Benzene so he is kind of wild card at this point.
it's not just a music it's something else
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 12:20:54
January 04 2021 12:18 GMT
#75
In my heart I believe Effort is not a JaeDong. ASTL will be his warm up for ASL.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1013 Posts
January 04 2021 14:05 GMT
#76
On January 04 2021 21:05 whaski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2021 20:16 MineraIs wrote:
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT


https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-12&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=4

Effort has 36,4% winrate since coming back from army, far worse than Shuttle or Free for example. Most notable is his 10-22 record against Shuttle, player who has been notoriously bad since his militaryservice. Maps dont help either, most of Efforts wins against protoss are in Benzene so he is kind of wild card at this point.


I must be completely wrong, i thought shuttle has been notoriously good since out of the military, especially against z (as usual).
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1013 Posts
January 04 2021 14:07 GMT
#77
All in all, groups look fairly balanced. Should be fun to watch!
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1919 Posts
January 04 2021 14:27 GMT
#78
Thanks Ziggy, was a good read.
Calendaraka Foxhan
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland576 Posts
January 04 2021 17:42 GMT
#79
On January 04 2021 23:05 TornadoSteve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2021 21:05 whaski wrote:
On January 04 2021 20:16 MineraIs wrote:
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT


https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-12&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=4

Effort has 36,4% winrate since coming back from army, far worse than Shuttle or Free for example. Most notable is his 10-22 record against Shuttle, player who has been notoriously bad since his militaryservice. Maps dont help either, most of Efforts wins against protoss are in Benzene so he is kind of wild card at this point.


I must be completely wrong, i thought shuttle has been notoriously good since out of the military, especially against z (as usual).



https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-08&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=11

If we exclude first couple of weeks when Shuttle came back, he still has 40% winrate. Last month it was something like 43%. Yes, his best matchup is pvz with something like 44%. Given the ammount of games Shuttle grinds, it is not good.
it's not just a music it's something else
AF0x
Profile Joined June 2018
United States59 Posts
January 04 2021 17:47 GMT
#80
Wow team Soma looking stacked, lets go
QOGQOG
Profile Joined July 2019
834 Posts
January 04 2021 18:29 GMT
#81
Not sure about JyJ as a third pick, otherwise I think Snow has a solid team.
Larva's team looks mediocre, but could do okay if Bisu delivers this season.
Light's team is all players with high potential who don't always deliver. This includes Light himself.
Flash's team looks very strong. Free and Action are both underrated and getting both of them is amazing.
Soma's team could be good, assuming Effort can start winning things that aren't ZvZ and Sharp macroes a little bit. Their first match will say whether they're a team who needs to be taken seriously.
Queen's team looks like another one that will either do very well or very poorly. Will Stork's team continue to suck even if it's not his team any more?

Anyway, not super predictable, should be a fun tournament.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4175 Posts
January 04 2021 20:09 GMT
#82
only 6 teams, not 8?

weird..
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
kidcrash
Profile Joined September 2009
United States620 Posts
January 05 2021 00:15 GMT
#83
Teams seem reasonably balanced, looking forward to a more competitive season compared to last.
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1013 Posts
January 05 2021 07:10 GMT
#84
JyJ is extremely under rated.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51433 Posts
January 05 2021 09:12 GMT
#85
did esport.fund/brain end up getting a sponsorship slot?
Commentator
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:52:28
January 06 2021 12:25 GMT
#86
http://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/66738838

ASTL2 Sponsors + full team rosters

Karariyo: Snow, Best, JyJ, Shuttle, (new) FBH
Socrates Tteokbokki: Larva, Bisu, Ssak, Killer
Casters Inc.: Light, Mini, hero, Piano
eSport.fund: Flash, Soulkey, Action, free, (new) Pusan
AfreecaTV: Soma, Sorry, Effort, Sharp
LOGINmedia: Zero, Stork, Rush, Miso

Match Schedule:

17/01

Karariyo vs Socrates Tteokbokki
eSport.fund vs Casters Inc.


19/01

AfreecaTV vs LOGINmedia
Karariyo vs eSport.fund

24/01

Socrates Tteokbokki vs AfreecaTV
Casters Inc. vs LOGINmedia

26/01

eSport.fund vs LOGINmedia
Karariyo vs AfreecaTV

31/01

Karariyo vs Casters Inc.
Socrates Tteokbokki vs eSport.fund

02/02

Socrates Tteokbokki vs LOGINmedia
Casters Inc. vs AfreecaTV

07/02

AfreecaTV vs eSport.fund
LOGINmedia vs Karariyo

09/02

Casters Inc. vs Socrates Tteokbokki

WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
January 06 2021 12:48 GMT
#87
Flash is a foreigner now.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28637 Posts
January 06 2021 13:09 GMT
#88
fk yea we got team flash :D
Moderator
masoka82
Profile Joined June 2020
Spain594 Posts
January 06 2021 13:10 GMT
#89
http://esport.fund/
http://afreecatv.com/

Does anyone know the links of the other 4 sponsors?
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-07 08:52:37
January 06 2021 13:17 GMT
#90
pity they didnt exercise their freedom to add players to their rosters, would have loved to see 6 man teams instead

at least FBH and Pusan are in tho

[image loading]
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Rus_Brain
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Russian Federation1893 Posts
January 06 2021 13:18 GMT
#91
On January 05 2021 18:12 GTR wrote:
did esport.fund/brain end up getting a sponsorship slot?
yes [image loading]
patyrykin.net
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51433 Posts
January 06 2021 22:50 GMT
#92
oh we are team flash that's awesome!
Commentator
FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10141 Posts
January 07 2021 06:05 GMT
#93
LETS GO TEAM FLASH IS US!
Writer#1 KT and FlaSh Fanboy || Woo Jung Ho Never Forget || Teamliquid Political Decision Desk
TL+ Member
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 07 2021 06:19 GMT
#94
Good teams overall. I would've liked if like last season, they picked up an amateur or two so it's sad to see that Afreeca did away with the 2v2/3v3s which were interesting. On the other hand, we get a team league, more games and even a foreign-sponsored team haha. Great!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50114 Posts
January 07 2021 06:52 GMT
#95
On January 07 2021 15:05 FlaShFTW wrote:
LETS GO TEAM FLASH IS US!


CasterMuse is also the team's manager!
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
TL+ Member
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4175 Posts
January 07 2021 08:48 GMT
#96
holy smokes this is very cool!

can't wait to see the games
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
January 07 2021 08:53 GMT
#97
how do i buy esport.fund merch signed by Pusan?
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Kaolla
Profile Joined January 2003
China2999 Posts
January 07 2021 15:35 GMT
#98
Nice job esports fund!

Awesome team too with Soulkey in there. Hope he performs well this time~
its me
andertalets77
Profile Joined February 2019
143 Posts
January 15 2021 17:40 GMT
#99
Where is tournament page?
Volka
Profile Joined December 2010
Argentina408 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-17 20:06:55
January 17 2021 20:00 GMT
#100
Where can I find the VODs guys?
Found them: http://vod.afreecatv.com/PLAYER/STATION/67284891/228400
http://www.starsite.com.ar
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-22 10:27:47
January 22 2021 10:25 GMT
#101
There's been a small update:

While the lineup rules don't change (teams still send in their entries a few days prior), the lineups will now only be revealed during the broadcast.

http://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/67513957

Week 2:

Sunday, 24/01, 1900KST

Socrates Tteokbokki vs AfreecaTV

Sunday, 24/01, 2100KST

emTek vs LOGINmedia

Tuesday, 26/01, 1900KST

eSport.fund vs LOGINmedia

Tuesday, 26/01, 2100KST

Karariyo vs AfreecaTV
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Avi-Love
Profile Joined November 2003
Denmark423 Posts
January 22 2021 11:09 GMT
#102
On January 22 2021 19:25 Ziggy wrote:
There's been a small update:

While the lineup rules don't change (teams still send in their entries a few days prior), the lineups will now only be revealed during the broadcast.

http://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/67513957

Week 2:

Sunday, 24/01, 1900KST

Socrates Tteokbokki vs AfreecaTV

Sunday, 24/01, 2100KST

emTek vs LOGINmedia

Tuesday, 26/01, 1900KST

eSport.fund vs LOGINmedia

Tuesday, 26/01, 2100KST

Karariyo vs AfreecaTV

Not like this..my profit..my betting...my degeneracy...
andertalets77
Profile Joined February 2019
143 Posts
January 22 2021 20:22 GMT
#103
no!!!! Wtf ? No.
announce the players as soon as possible!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4175 Posts
January 22 2021 20:38 GMT
#104
On January 22 2021 19:25 Ziggy wrote:
There's been a small update:

While the lineup rules don't change (teams still send in their entries a few days prior), the lineups will now only be revealed during the broadcast.

http://bj.afreecatv.com/afstar1/post/67513957

Week 2:

Sunday, 24/01, 1900KST

Socrates Tteokbokki vs AfreecaTV

Sunday, 24/01, 2100KST

emTek vs LOGINmedia

Tuesday, 26/01, 1900KST

eSport.fund vs LOGINmedia

Tuesday, 26/01, 2100KST

Karariyo vs AfreecaTV

that's actually pretty lame tbh..

but whatever.. thanks for the info.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
Garrl
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Scotland1972 Posts
January 22 2021 20:59 GMT
#105
You lose part of the meta strategy when you know who you're going to be playing in advance, eg surprise races on maps where it's 'bad' to run like p on shakuras, so I'm a big fan of this change.
andertalets77
Profile Joined February 2019
143 Posts
January 23 2021 00:04 GMT
#106
On January 23 2021 05:59 Garrl wrote:
You lose part of the meta strategy when you know who you're going to be playing in advance, eg surprise races on maps where it's 'bad' to run like p on shakuras, so I'm a big fan of this change.

you can't change the rules when the tournament has already started
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2616 Posts
January 23 2021 00:39 GMT
#107
Any English casts of this?
andertalets77
Profile Joined February 2019
143 Posts
January 28 2021 22:42 GMT
#108
does anyone know how to return the announcements to this tournament?
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