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Jealous
9974 Posts
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KobraKay
Portugal4012 Posts
On October 02 2020 20:38 Anc13nt wrote: He has a lot of hype in part because I think he was considered the best player in practice SK Telecom practice sessions. He said in an interview that he gained a lot of apm upon returning from SC2 so he might've even improved, despite already having been considered a top talent. Also, I suggest you watch his fpvod. Might be one of the most impressive out there. As for the map pool, I do agree his ASL win had a clearly P-favoured map pool but having look at his other high placements, I don't think the other map pools were very protoss favoured (they all seemed pretty balanced to me). TBF, I do think Tastosis were a bit biased and hyped him a lot in the earlier tournaments. It was a bit misplaced at the time because Rain actually was not doing super well in his first few ASLs. In hindsight though, he has won an ASL and a KSL so he did eventually live up to (and probably exceeded) the expectations placed upon him. Also, his PvP is not actually that special in sponbang matches so I would partially attribute some of his PvP tournament success to being a good tournament performer. Overall, I think it is fair to say he is one of the most talented programers across both games. oh dont get me wrong, I was not bashing Rain. He was an amazing player in both games and def a contender in the context of this thread! My only issue is with the "god" calling in regards to BW. Amazing and elite? sure. God? nope, that is Flash alone up there | ||
yubo56
662 Posts
On October 02 2020 04:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I agree, don't see how it can be anyone but Stats. I think when people place Rain above Stats, it's mostly based on (i) Rain was still an up-and-comer when KeSPA moved to hybrid PL (kinda subjective how you weigh potential talent, and how much weight his post-KeSPA results carry in predicting his hypothetical BW potential), and (ii) Rain was more dominant than Stats when both were playing SC2 (also somewhat subjective) It seems like a pretty subjective comparison. I think that the camp that pushes Rain/SK/Bogus is giving more credit to peak/potential than longevity/results. For instance, Stats was a very strong SC2 player but didn't start winning championships until 2016, when Rain/SK had already left the scene (and both when they were still arguably championship-caliber players). And all three of Rain/SK/Bogus were still on the rise when BW ended. Stats and JD have to be considered in a very different light. I would argue JD + SC2 seemed like it had the least potential across all five of Stats/Rain/SK/Bogus/JD + BW/SC2, since even during his many second place finishes, a lot of the actual gameplay felt less-than-convincing, supported by his subsequent lack of results and retirement, so if you're rating the players on "largest smaller X-factor across the two games" I think you have to drop JD, and maybe Stats. On the other hand, if you're rating on "largest smaller number of results across the two games" then JD has to take that by a long shot. If you're rating on "highest lower skill ceiling shown across the two games" then Stats has to take the cake, since his actual demonstrated BW play is more convincing than JD's SC2 play imo. I don't think this is authoritative, and many might disagree with me, but I think it's clear that different criteria will produce different rankings. My subjective bias skews towards Rain though <3 | ||
FlaShFTW
United States9655 Posts
Jaedong is the one I think of most when I think of success in both games. Soulkey doesn't quite have the brass from BW but he was massively successful in SC2. Stats and TY were both really good. Bogus was alright but insane in SC2. FlaSh had that one blip where he was insane, and always a reasonable proleague player in sc2, but never a consistent individual performer. Rain is fine, post-kespa ratings are always a bit skewed imo with how good players are so I don't consider his BW achievements as impressive as they are on paper. | ||
RKC
2847 Posts
BW: Won MSL, top Starleague contender SC2: WCS Champion, decent Proleague regular At least Top 5. | ||
goody153
43992 Posts
There was also a time that Flash did well on sc2(i think it was the same time Life started going up) | ||
LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1265 Posts
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SamirDuran
Philippines884 Posts
On October 03 2020 20:16 goody153 wrote: Jaedong, Soulkey and Rain comes into mind when it comes to the ones who had the most top finishes on both games. There was also a time that Flash did well on sc2(i think it was the same time Life started going up) Flash won an IEM vs a prime Zest. | ||
Rainalcar
Croatia320 Posts
I also feel that zergs and protoss are generally more successful than terrans. But all in all, I feel that Rain may be the one. I guess most would say that he was better in Sc2 than BW, but I feel he is an incredible talent and at the pinnacle of both games (Soulkey comes close). Willing to work to prove it week-in, week-out, can be discussed. | ||
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