• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 13:38
CEST 19:38
KST 02:38
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202542Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up5LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced58
StarCraft 2
General
Clem Interview: "PvT is a bit insane right now" Serral wins EWC 2025 TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy Would you prefer the game to be balanced around top-tier pro level or average pro level? Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up
Tourneys
WardiTV Mondays $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How do the new Battle.net ranks translate? Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers? Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Nobody gona talk about this year crazy qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Bitcoin discussion thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread 9/11 Anniversary
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 755 users

A Tale of Two S-Class

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Normal
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 09:25:53
June 07 2007 09:20 GMT
#1
Note: This is a Part I of a cross post from my blog, where I will attempt to write articles about the Korean ProGaming Scene. I'm not an expert nor do I think I am one, so discussion is encouraged. I'm still not sure if these sort of articles belong in a Blog or in the Brood War forum--I'm not about to make a new thread every time I write something, or should I expect people to continuously check a Blog link that doesn't really stay up on the five most recent for a long time. Still figuring that one out.

Previous articles:
Evaluating Starleague History
Ceremony by Ceremony (Featured Thread)
Top Ten Moments from Shinhan3 OSL (News Post)


[image loading]

Something amazing could happen in the coming weeks. For the first time in Starleague history, two players could reach the both finals of the current leagues, the Daum OSL and GomTV2 MSL. It is shaping up to be a true rivalry between these two. Not in sense of closeness of record, for their head-to-head is actually quite lopsided. It is for what is at stake: their legacy, their place in history, their ascension into greatness. It is what all fans of any sport want to witness: a player’s evolution and the rise of the next superman.

Dominance is interesting that way. Even those that cheer against the dominant force, the bonjwa, the endgame boss, cheer so fervently only because that dominance exists. Without iloveoov’s destruction path in 2004 (3 straight MSL wins), we do not care nearly as much about the special Gillette July-Oov semifinal that turned ZvT upside down. Likewise, without Savior’s 2006 aura (5 straight MSL Finals, Royal Road OSL) we do not have the giddy shock of seeing a young upstart reinvent a matchup thought to be lost and reinvigorate an entire race’s players and fans.

Dominance is necessary. Those that cheer for perfection get to see it in its purest form, a player, if only for a moment, becoming a god. Those that cheer for the underdog get to experience the weight and pressure, and thus the joy and intensity of the biggest upset victories. Dominance is good for Starcraft as it is good for any sport.

These two Starleagues are not special because of the return of an old hero or cheater. These two Starleagues are special because we can see dominance being established right in front of our eyes. It will happen, one way or another, and we can happily be witnesses.


Part I: A Maestro Reborn

[image loading]
Savior’s will to win demands perfection, and nothing less.

What could be said about Savior that has not already been said?

To quote HonestTea in his “To Err is to be Human”
Savior Cuban Gangster. Perfect. Plays low-econ, high-econ, plays orthodox, plays funky, plays Mozart, plays Run-DMC. Micro, macro, strategy, management, fundamentals, and balls the size of Brazil. He plays Zerg the way the Xel'Naga intended - like a ball of mercury. Furthermore, he has the perfect demeanor - a cold-blooded assassin. I'm shocked - SHOCKED - when he loses. The way he carries himself, never smiling, I feel like it's simply natural for him to win. Birds fly, dogs die, people fuck, and Savior wins.

HonestTea hit it right on the head. Savior wins. When was the last time you remember Savior losing a non-invite ZvT series? Or the last time he lost a ZvP series to someone other than Bisu? Can you remember? Do you have to go look it up? How can someone be so consistent in a game where winning two-thirds of the time is considered outstanding? When all is said and done, Savior could be the best player in Starcraft history. He could be the first player since 2001 Boxer to win back-to-back OSL titles, the first player in history to win two simultaneous leagues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGAkoMuxuAY
If dominance could be condensed into a single emotion, it would be
the feeling you get when you watch Savior play.

Why was it that when other Zerg players try to duplicate what Savior does they cannot? They could copy his builds and timing down to the second, but the results were so different. Savior always seemed to have overlords in the right places. He always had that transcendent early game anti-cheese micro. He always seemed to do weird counter-intuitive builds at the right time. He always judged the ebb and flow of a game like no other, and multitasked at just one or two more locations than his opponent could. But what truly was the defining quality for Ma Jae Yoon that no other player could hope to emulate? For Nada it was his speed and style, for Boxer and Nal_rA their creativity, for July his sheer aggression, for iloveoov his blunt force macro. What was the Maestro’s?

The answer was that no other player has the ability to exert his will over the outcome of the game quite like Savior can. It is that “zone” where a player can do no wrong, where a player knows that he will win because he knows, without a doubt, that he is simply better than his opponent. Many casual and semi-competitive gamers have been in that zone, all Starleague winners at one point have been there, but for the past year or two, up until that MSL Final, Savior has lived there. He camped out in that perma-win area, pissing all over it to mark his territory. It was like he owned a reserved space in victory parking lot, and he can get all the other players’ cars ticketed and towed whenever he wished.

There is no denying that he has been pushed to the edge of defeat. For other players, finding victory was a combination of practice and circumstance. For Savior it was simply a matter of choice. You could tell when he switched it on, and it could be any number of things. It could be a smart build order like in the Round of 16 Game 3 on Hitch Hiker against Midas. It could be sublime control of maphacking scourge like in the MSL Semi on Desert Fox against Hwasin. It could be an inexplicable comeback fueled by low unit count base defense like in Game 5 on Neo Arkanoid against his teammate Iris. When he wanted to win, Savior won. At least we all thought so.

[image loading]

GomTV MSL Finals: a shell-shocked Savior cannot believe what is happening.

Then came the GomTV MSL Finals and a Protoss named Bisu. Savior did the same build every game, almost as if he was just shocked that he could not exert his will to win. It was like he looked at Bisu and stubbornly thought to himself, what a fluke, I’ll force a win next game after each loss. The 0-3 was stunning to the fans, but it was even more stunning to Savior himself. How long had it been since he was unable to exert his will? The Zerg god fell back to earth, and he looked as if he lost himself, at least for a while. Losses to Oov and Bisu at SuperFight 5, Bisu again at WWI, and four more in ProLeague (Calm, Yarnc, Ra, Boxer) had many crying “slump!” as if anyone can really slump in the interim period between Starleagues.

In this way the MSL loss to Bisu was actually positive for Savior’s career. It forced him to look critically at his play, to not be complacent and rely on his own will. It presented a new challenge in a matchup he had thought he mastered. Most importantly, it gave him new motivation to find a way to permanently exist in that win-zone that only he seemed to find. When he was in the zone, Savior had a cool, casual, almost lethargic demeanor. He looked bored when he won, as if the opponent should not have even bothered. He had a cocky smirk after the games, a single-minded personal vendetta against his opponent, an I-can-win-with-anything sort of attitude. He showed that attitude previously with a four-pool against Bifrost and recently with his choice of Terran against GoRush.

Make no mistake, Savior is returning to us. It was in his face after his dismantling of the young genius Flash and his stylistic win against the red-hot Stork. He is smarter, more self aware, and an overall stronger player. Savior has gained newfound energy in his quest for the Daum OSL and GomTV2 MSL titles, and one cannot help but feel as if these tournaments are just stops along the way for his journey toward his place in history.

However, Savior’s newfound self will be tested and tried and pushed to the brink, because when he finally returns to that win-zone, that champion’s arena, that special parking space, he is going to realize that someone is already there waiting.

His journey toward greatness is one that plods forward slowly, ponderously, but inexorably. It is a journey that is predestined, a journey that can and will only have one inevitable end: Bisu.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
June 07 2007 09:32 GMT
#2
i would prefer you post shit like this in the brood war section yeah
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Detonate
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Iceland578 Posts
June 07 2007 09:34 GMT
#3
cool
inept @ west always up for TMM and 1vs1. TLT3 goGOgOG
miNi
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Korea (South)2010 Posts
June 07 2007 09:37 GMT
#4
Excellent article.
KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 09:40:32
June 07 2007 09:39 GMT
#5
hehe

good read

nice penmanship
Pressure
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
7326 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 10:16:43
June 07 2007 10:12 GMT
#6
=)
nice pic of savior at GOMTV

ahh savior
useLess
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States4781 Posts
June 07 2007 10:21 GMT
#7
You should probably keep articles and write-ups like these in Brood War forum (for now, at least), since the amount of views and replies in the blogs are still very minimal.
Moonlight Shadow
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 10:56:11
June 07 2007 10:50 GMT
#8
There are so few good savior highlight vids

Old, no-defiler, oov-type-macro,power-overwhelming savioripxzerg:
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
crazie-penguin
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States1253 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 10:54:24
June 07 2007 10:53 GMT
#9
Amazing article, Hot_Bid, write up some more! Maybe you can even make a blog kinda like The Sense of Star Blog! :D

I feel so proud to be a Zerg player

EDIT: Oh, and can someone link me to a higher resolution of the "impossible is nothing" picture, i would like to use it as my wall paper (im getting tired of my old one)
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36375 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-07 10:59:44
June 07 2007 10:58 GMT
#10
On June 07 2007 19:53 crazie-penguin wrote:
Amazing article, Hot_Bid, write up some more! Maybe you can even make a blog kinda like The Sense of Star Blog! :D

I feel so proud to be a Zerg player

EDIT: Oh, and can someone link me to a higher resolution of the "impossible is nothing" picture, i would like to use it as my wall paper (im getting tired of my old one)

i made it. by that i mean i took their calendar image, edited out the calendar and the sponsor patches on their uniforms, and added in the words.

the high res one is here:
[image loading]


it's better quality than the one up there, but unfortunately it isn't big enough for a background
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
June 07 2007 11:02 GMT
#11
loved it, thanks.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
June 07 2007 12:41 GMT
#12
awesome write-up! Can't wait for the Bisu chapter
Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
Person514cs
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1004 Posts
June 07 2007 13:00 GMT
#13
Nice.. if only savior had mass hyrdos and play like july he would have had another msl title.
Peace and love, for ever.
skindzer
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
Chile5114 Posts
June 07 2007 13:30 GMT
#14
Really nice read. Kudos.
Its not only the rain that brings the thunder
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
June 07 2007 13:38 GMT
#15
Good read. Thanks
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
June 07 2007 14:15 GMT
#16
nice
LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10828 Posts
June 07 2007 15:34 GMT
#17
very well written
ModeratorResident K-POP Elitist
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
June 07 2007 15:35 GMT
#18
On June 07 2007 18:20 Hot_Bid wrote:
Something amazing could happen in the coming weeks. For the first time in Starleague history, two players could reach the both finals of the current leagues, the Daum OSL and GomTV2 MSL.



Which two players are you talking about? Although after reading this thread I can safely assume ur talking about bisu and savior?
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 07 2007 15:47 GMT
#19
Hot_Bid, you're amazing.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
June 07 2007 16:19 GMT
#20
nice shit
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
June 07 2007 16:59 GMT
#21
very nice read
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
June 07 2007 17:29 GMT
#22
Yes, nice read.
Has there ever been an interview of Savior where he is asked about his opinions of Bisu?
I'd like to hear what he's thinking after all these losses.
MaRiNe23
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States747 Posts
June 08 2007 09:54 GMT
#23
ZOMG 97% WINNING PERCENTAGE..Where can I DL that subbed version of the savior video anyone know?
We have competitive ladder, strong community, progaming in Korea going strong, perfectly balanced game..why do we need sc2? #1 ANTI-SC2 fan
berated-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-08 10:47:08
June 08 2007 10:45 GMT
#24
On June 08 2007 18:54 MaRiNe23 wrote:
ZOMG 97% WINNING PERCENTAGE..Where can I DL that subbed version of the savior video anyone know?


get the FF addon that allows you to DL youtube videos

edit: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2390
Anticipate.
Profile Joined November 2006
Canada8 Posts
June 08 2007 12:18 GMT
#25
keep writing dude
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Summer Champion…
15:00
Open Qualifier #2
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
UpATreeSC 181
BRAT_OK 179
Hui .156
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3842
Rain 2845
Shuttle 1420
Bisu 1353
EffOrt 723
Mini 681
Horang2 654
firebathero 504
Mong 316
ggaemo 303
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 223
Barracks 112
hero 104
Dewaltoss 103
TY 89
sas.Sziky 49
scan(afreeca) 38
Killer 36
JYJ27
Aegong 17
Yoon 14
Stormgate
TKL 192
Dota 2
Gorgc6919
qojqva3931
Dendi2446
syndereN490
League of Legends
Reynor90
Counter-Strike
fl0m2627
flusha433
kRYSTAL_62
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox502
Other Games
Lowko389
KnowMe339
B2W.Neo326
Fuzer 100
Trikslyr70
QueenE44
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta45
• Hinosc 14
• Dystopia_ 7
• Reevou 2
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2945
• masondota2767
• Shiphtur285
League of Legends
• Nemesis4459
• TFBlade1172
Other Games
• imaqtpie784
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Monday
6h 22m
WardiTV Summer Champion…
17h 22m
Stormgate Nexus
20h 22m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 22m
The PondCast
1d 16h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
LiuLi Cup
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
CSO Cup
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
Wardi Open
5 days
RotterdaM Event
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.