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United Kingdom12035 Posts
Hi All,
I'm Qikz, host of the Clash for Char, STPL and various other tournaments and I bring to you today a proposal to try and help expand our scene. A lot of people, including Melee people agree that SCBW/R and Melee are very similar scenes, we're relatively small, but we don't have to be. A major way melee expanded was by utilising a resource that is available to many already to spread clips/videos/news and memes to show Melee more to the outside world. That is Twitter.
It is of my personal opinion that it would help the Broodwar Scene so much if we could get more people sharing content on twitter and retweeting Broodwar tournament info/vods to expand the reach we already have. If you already have twitter it's easy, if you need to make one it's also easy, but I think in the long term it's important we do it. We're a relatively close knit community, so why don't we take advantage of that?
I wish to build a list below that makes it easy to follow all the various BW twitters, so if you're interested jump on and hit the follow button or if you want yourself added message below and I'll add you!
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Official Blizzard
https://twitter.com/StarCraft
https://twitter.com/esportstarcraft
Tournaments
https://twitter.com/STPLTV
https://twitter.com/BombasticStar
https://twitter.com/cslBW
https://twitter.com/bwclde
SCR Developers
https://twitter.com/MattShermanSC
https://twitter.com/GrantTheAnt
Casters
https://twitter.com/Artosis
https://twitter.com/Qikzsd
https://twitter.com/RapidCasting
https://twitter.com/Schamtoo
https://twitter.com/djaeyun
https://twitter.com/ZZZeroPL
https://twitter.com/thenyoken
https://twitter.com/Gorgonoth1
https://twitter.com/Vincent4TV
https://twitter.com/GTR1H
Players
https://twitter.com/Future_sc
https://twitter.com/eOnzErG
https://www.twitter.com/Mongeryxo
https://twitter.com/gypsym93
https://twitter.com/UltraTerran
https://twitter.com/Kareflash
https://twitter.com/Herbm0n
https://twitter.com/iamNaugrim
https://twitter.com/KenZyBW
https://twitter.com/MachineUSA
https://twitter.com/iamTT1
https://twitter.com/BLinDRawR
https://twitter.com/SC_Ty2
https://twitter.com/chris_BW_
https://twitter.com/HubertNeutron
https://twitter.com/faustypoo
https://twitter.com/ZiggySCPG
Teams
https://twitter.com/irk_team
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France1920 Posts
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my stuff down in my signature :O
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Now I love Qikz even more! Great idea! 
P.S. Though small community has its benefits. We almost all kind of know each other. See the same people on forums/reddits/discord channels, in ladder games or on stream. BW family.
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United Kingdom12035 Posts
Updated with everyone so far. Get following all <3
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ALLEYCAT BLUES50930 Posts
This is great! I don't tweet much and I'm not a player but lets get ourselves supportive and connected on twitter.
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Followed everyone. Thanks for the thread!
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United States10393 Posts
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I don't have a Twitter account (nor am I really interested in the idea of maintaining one), but I have done a number of Brood War Highlight videos starring Tastosis. Is that relevant at all?
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On November 10 2018 16:08 Frudgey wrote:
I don't have a Twitter account (nor am I really interested in the idea of maintaining one), but I have done a number of Brood War Highlight videos starring Tastosis. Is that relevant at all?
No, it isn't.
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Now that everyone has 10 more Twitter followers, how is this going to help the scene?
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South Korea2106 Posts
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I often check artosis twitter for asl/Ksl stream links and start times so nice thought
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On November 10 2018 22:32 Sero wrote:
Now that everyone has 10 more Twitter followers, how is this going to help the scene?
What he said! How?
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thx for reminding me that i should forward the bwcl twitter to someone who might manage it
as for me, i'm @dongeckone
yet, i neither know how to handle social media, nor is it helpful to follow me
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United Kingdom12035 Posts
On November 11 2018 05:16 Cele wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2018 22:32 Sero wrote:
Now that everyone has 10 more Twitter followers, how is this going to help the scene? What he said! How?
People retweet content, post content as well if you're a streamer. It's a lot more likely that people outside of the BW scene will see if it we do it. The people of melee did it and I feel it'll help us as well.
I was talking to Drekkan (SC2 guy on his show the other day) and honestly the biggest problem BW has is there's no avenues of promotion. Unless you know TL exists and BW is a thing on it you won't find it. BW people don't use reddit and they still don't really use twitter. Those are the two main platforms for spreading content and getting views outside of Youtube and Twitch itself and if we want to drive up the viewership numbers for everyone we need to hook people in who are not already looking for BW content.
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On November 11 2018 10:12 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 05:16 Cele wrote:On November 10 2018 22:32 Sero wrote:
Now that everyone has 10 more Twitter followers, how is this going to help the scene? What he said! How? People retweet content, post content as well if you're a streamer. It's a lot more likely that people outside of the BW scene will see if it we do it. The people of melee did it and I feel it'll help us as well. I was talking to Drekkan (SC2 guy on his show the other day) and honestly the biggest problem BW has is there's no avenues of promotion. Unless you know TL exists and BW is a thing on it you won't find it. BW people don't use reddit and they still don't really use twitter. Those are the two main platforms for spreading content and getting views outside of Youtube and Twitch itself and if we want to drive up the viewership numbers for everyone we need to hook people in who are not already looking for BW content.
Yeah this is pretty true. I get a lot of viewers from Twitter from the other scene's I've been in. It's hard to find BW in any large social media format.
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France1920 Posts
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On November 11 2018 10:12 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 05:16 Cele wrote:On November 10 2018 22:32 Sero wrote:
Now that everyone has 10 more Twitter followers, how is this going to help the scene? What he said! How? People retweet content, post content as well if you're a streamer. It's a lot more likely that people outside of the BW scene will see if it we do it. The people of melee did it and I feel it'll help us as well. I was talking to Drekkan (SC2 guy on his show the other day) and honestly the biggest problem BW has is there's no avenues of promotion. Unless you know TL exists and BW is a thing on it you won't find it. BW people don't use reddit and they still don't really use twitter. Those are the two main platforms for spreading content and getting views outside of Youtube and Twitch itself and if we want to drive up the viewership numbers for everyone we need to hook people in who are not already looking for BW content.
Stuff like this won't help move the needle tho, to grow BW we need to (player base, viewer base etc.):
1) Improve the product - Cross region latency has to be improved, the foreign scene needs a server merge and some sort of cross region friend list merge, team matchmaking needs to be implemented.. basically a vast QoT improvement.
2) Regular tournaments or a circuit needs to be formed in order to create story lines, if the viewers can't form a connection with the players then they simply won't invest their time into the game. The main selling point BW has is obviously the amazing gameplay and our big name personalities/casters. Atm people tune into "foreign" BW events once in a blue moon just to watch Tastosis/Inc/Day9 and company, you obviously can't retain or grow your viewer base that way. BW's main chance of a true resurgence comes from their selling power and reach (especially Day9 but who knows if he even wants to get involved with BW related content creation or work), there needs to be a constant source of high appeal content.
This also means supporting the foreign scene in order to create a Korea vs The World dynamic. We also have the ability to tap into amazing tournament formats like Proleague in order to draw more people into the scene, Proleague was and will always be a big seller.
Grassroots stuff (STPL/BSL/HAY etc.) are obviously great but we're just cycling through the same viewer base. You'll only truly feel the impact of grassroots events when the game gets an influx of viewers, those events help keep the game fresh and they hook viewers to the scene (which in turn helps grow other community members etc.).
For example, you know War3 is gonna be huge in the west mainly because of Grubby's star power and his gamer mindset. He already has a massive/loyal following in place so he can pour all his energy into the game (obviously willingly, i doubt he's gonna play any other game) and create a ton of content for the scene, there's gonna be a trickle down effect and the entire scene will flourish. That'll draw other big streamers to the game, which brings in new viewers to the scene etc.
But at the end of the day is doing any of this worth Blizzard's time/money/effort? Personally i think the return could definitely be worthwhile but there's a lot of moving parts that they have to consider, they might even be concerned about potential drawbacks if BW overlaps too much with SC2 etc.
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Imo, if people want the scene to grow, they should double-down on promoting and supporting cpl first and foremost. TT1 makes good points above, and I agree with everything he said, but things like team matchmaking are dependent on Blizzard taking action to implement them.
BW is a pretty unwelcoming game to newcomers, both in terms of the difficulty and in terms of the BM you'll experience on ladder and even in BGH games, etc. when you first start out. Before worrying about posting BW shit on social media, we should think about why people would start playing a 20-year-old, hard-as-hell game, only to be constantly insulted and bullied throughout the learning process as they struggle alone on ladder or practice with the 1-2 friends they have who also play BW. CPL provides a great environment to get into the game and meet other players. Slightly better matchmaking and more casts of progames will get people's attention, but CPL and similar things are what will actually provide them with a way to get into the scene and start really playing, imo. Liquipedia is also garbage in terms of providing info for new players, so as I see, it your options to learn the game if you're currently new are:
1) CPL
2) watch progames and try to learn (a difficult way to learn, and will be made more difficult by Tastosis/et al. providing misinformation)
3) go on Liquipedia, and try to play garbage builds like this:  2 Gate Range Expand because you don't know why not to
4) personally know someone who is willing to teach you
5) ask for help in this forum (you have to put yourself out there, and you're gonna get conflicting and contradictory responses)
Also, when they do implement 2v2 matchmaking, I personally think it's going to be a shitshow and almost no one will even use it. Lots of players with massive skill disparities already get matched in 1v1, so when the number of other people needed to start a game is multiplied by three I don't see how that will be improved, nor how queue times are going to be kept reasonable.
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Yea CPL is beyond amazing, it's the best thing the scene has going for it tbh. Would help if Blizz could advertise the league on the launcher (we also need spotlight streams etc).
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Day9 could get back to Let's Learn StarCraft series. Incontrol (yes!) can also make BW content. On Pylon show mostly Artosis gets involved in BW. Ret's tutorials were on point back in the day. Russian scene has also huge potential (50+ actual players on anniversary LAN) but almost no beginner-friendly content anymore. Notforu, WhiteRa, spx could start uploading VODs for beginners to youtube. Most very useful VODs and tutorials are not recent. It feels like in 2008-2009 there were much more content than now after the game got remastered.
All it takes is one free weekend for some community work. :D I'm not even talking about constant streaming, just uploading VODs here and there, people will find them eventually and make good use of them.
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I also think clans being very explicit in taking in new players is important. Not all have friends to in real life to play with, and even though CPL is amazing, it also seems like a clan is different than a CPL team. If clans took some initiative in recruiting dirt crappy players and emracing them regardless of skill or whether or not they become good, I think it would be really good for the community.
I know many clans have B-teams and such, but I still don't think it's being well enough communicated. I've had several people joining ReV who seemed like ReV was nearly the only option, since they didn't feel they would be good enough to join any other clan, and we were very clear that we took in players regardless of skill.
However, I do like the Twitter initiative. Regardless of what's "the best way to save BW", the very core of building something is supporting initatives that seek to build the community. Seeing as this is one such thing, I'll make myself a Twitter account and join the initative \o/
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On November 19 2018 06:23 TT1 wrote:
Yea CPL is beyond amazing, it's the best thing the scene has going for it tbh. Would help if Blizz could advertise the league on the launcher (we also need spotlight streams etc).
I agree. However, there still exists a large newcomer gap. CPL works perhaps for a guy coming over from SC2, or maybe another RTS. For a totally new player, CPL is still gonna be a rough experience. Even the tier 3 guys are vastly better than a new RTS player.
I'm not sure if there is a good answer, but I'm sure a huge percentage of truly new players that start BW don't stay long because let's face it, most people don't want to put in 50 or 100 hours of play to start even being able to consider winning a single game.
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On November 20 2018 03:09 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2018 06:23 TT1 wrote:
Yea CPL is beyond amazing, it's the best thing the scene has going for it tbh. Would help if Blizz could advertise the league on the launcher (we also need spotlight streams etc). I agree. However, there still exists a large newcomer gap. CPL works perhaps for a guy coming over from SC2, or maybe another RTS. For a totally new player, CPL is still gonna be a rough experience. Even the tier 3 guys are vastly better than a new RTS player. I'm not sure if there is a good answer, but I'm sure a huge percentage of truly new players that start BW don't stay long because let's face it, most people don't want to put in 50 or 100 hours of play to start even being able to consider winning a single game.
We've got at least a couple of clan members who're completely new, some literally started playing SC:R when remastered launched. It's fully possible to have them stay, so long as clans pick them up and truly signal that it's fine to completely suck and rather play with clan mates, get help from them etc. Which in turn will make laddering a bit easier, as they'll have a "home" to vent in, as well as having a lot more immediate feedback which will make progress easier.
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United Kingdom12035 Posts
One example I'd like to give to show the power of reddit and twitter is look at this here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/9y607s/irradiate_so_strong_it_hits_you_irl/
I posted this yesterday after chatting with TT1 and hearing nobody on /r/starcraft cares about Broodwar and that clip since then has gone from 100 views to 4745 as of the time of this post.
On November 20 2018 03:45 Incomplete..ReV wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2018 03:09 L_Master wrote:On November 19 2018 06:23 TT1 wrote:
Yea CPL is beyond amazing, it's the best thing the scene has going for it tbh. Would help if Blizz could advertise the league on the launcher (we also need spotlight streams etc). I agree. However, there still exists a large newcomer gap. CPL works perhaps for a guy coming over from SC2, or maybe another RTS. For a totally new player, CPL is still gonna be a rough experience. Even the tier 3 guys are vastly better than a new RTS player. I'm not sure if there is a good answer, but I'm sure a huge percentage of truly new players that start BW don't stay long because let's face it, most people don't want to put in 50 or 100 hours of play to start even being able to consider winning a single game. We've got at least a couple of clan members who're completely new, some literally started playing SC:R when remastered launched. It's fully possible to have them stay, so long as clans pick them up and truly signal that it's fine to completely suck and rather play with clan mates, get help from them etc. Which in turn will make laddering a bit easier, as they'll have a "home" to vent in, as well as having a lot more immediate feedback which will make progress easier.
Also Incomplete you're one of the most welcoming members in the entire community. If more people were as welcoming as you were the community would be a much nicer place <3
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On November 19 2018 16:06 QuadroX wrote:
Incontrol (yes!) can also make BW content.
looking forward to some event that ends with "this community is toxic, because <random rant>".
On November 20 2018 02:20 Incomplete..ReV wrote:
However, I do like the Twitter initiative. Regardless of what's "the best way to save BW", the very core of building something is supporting initatives that seek to build the community. Seeing as this is one such thing, I'll make myself a Twitter account and join the initative \o/
The most important part for people with a vision is to ignore all comments, because it's either going to be "thoughts and prayers" or "lul won't work, need <random things> instead, which is way better". Just do whatever you think and accept the rare acutal help that's offered to you. that being said, qikz (and the others like you) should keep up his (your) work and not listen to the nay-sayers, doing something at this points beats discussing alternatives, that won't ever see the light of day anyway.
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+1000000000 for CPL: it's a great way to get into the scene, although I will say that L_Master's comment matches my experience: I had *very* casual (never competitive) RTS experience growing up, and only started playing when Remastered launched. Don't have a ton of time to devote to improving (demanding day job + family/kids), so I do feel the differential vs. other Tier 3 players, but the community has been very welcoming and I am enjoying improving (even though I'm still losing a TON, getting better on ladder though). Definitely way better than laddering/struggling alone.
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I just think we're doing better in every matter. Twitter will help, CPL will help, tournaments will help, etc.
Better youtube and search algorithms will help too, tons of viable viewers there. It would require funneling that viewership elsewhere if there is a desire to grow.
CCV for StarCraft is kinda up and up lately. Most times I see someone live it's >50 viewers at the top which used to barely ever happen. It's a slow steady pace.
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So, I made a twitter account and got into the consent flow violation thingy. Cleared my cache and got in. Then I tried uploading a picture and was told my activity was unusual or in violation of the twitter guidelines. My account is locked.
I mean, twitter seems more buggy than SC:R on release date o_O
Hopefully I'll get it in order and get to following people!
(PS: All the nice words and encouragements were very, very dear <3 )
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I love your enthusiasm guys, but I remain sceptical. I think we are not the average age group that melee has. We promote less on Twitter. Sure I can do it but it's just not the thing I enjoy, they might be right with the younger generation who knows.
what I think is honestly: look at what brain did in Russia, that's beyond amazing. If we can have more life events, where you enter and people meet and chat n talk, we will foster our sense of commitment. of course it is all grassroots stuff, but honestly after spending years of my life into making bw great again,
My passion for grassroots outgrew my passion for the big stage. I guess it's just me and gecko because we are silly veterans in this ^^
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On November 20 2018 05:31 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2018 16:06 QuadroX wrote:
Incontrol (yes!) can also make BW content. looking forward to some event that ends with "this community is toxic, because <random rant>". Show nested quote +On November 20 2018 02:20 Incomplete..ReV wrote:
However, I do like the Twitter initiative. Regardless of what's "the best way to save BW", the very core of building something is supporting initatives that seek to build the community. Seeing as this is one such thing, I'll make myself a Twitter account and join the initative \o/ The most important part for people with a vision is to ignore all comments, because it's either going to be "thoughts and prayers" or "lul won't work, need <random things> instead, which is way better". Just do whatever you think and accept the rare acutal help that's offered to you. that being said, qikz (and the others like you) should keep up his (your) work and not listen to the nay-sayers, doing something at this points beats discussing alternatives, that won't ever see the light of day anyway.
Also this # just do what you think is right!
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