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ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
July 04 2003 00:58 GMT
#1
I happen to think that 10 hours a day seems very exaggerated. there probably are pro gamers who do practice that much, but I was wondering how much an average pro gamer practices
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Commander{+}
Profile Joined December 2002
United States2878 Posts
July 04 2003 01:00 GMT
#2
I sometimes practice 10 hours a day
:O
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x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
July 04 2003 01:10 GMT
#3
On July 04 2003 09:58 ejai63 wrote:
I happen to think that 10 hours a day seems very exaggerated. there probably are pro gamers who do practice that much, but I was wondering how much an average pro gamer practices


The 10 hours a day thing is definitly not an exaggeration. BoxeR used to (he still might, but I'm not sure) and some pro-gamers probably do. I would say the most accurate figure is 6-10 hours a day.

Some of those practice games might be really great kick-ass games and we don't know it, hmmm (like the four Elky vs Yell0w practice games that Elky released).
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NewbieMcNasty
Profile Joined December 2002
United States328 Posts
July 04 2003 01:12 GMT
#4
10 hours a day isn't exaggerated

Plenty of people practice this much without making any money at all.

This is part of what makes the absolute top level of progaming so exciting. Top amateurs can get better than each other just by practicing harder, while progamers simply don't have time to do that and survive at the same time. Its a very even playing field.
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Rush
Profile Joined April 2003
United States408 Posts
July 04 2003 02:14 GMT
#5
Agreed
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NerO
Profile Joined February 2003
United States2071 Posts
July 04 2003 02:21 GMT
#6
confirmed
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-07-05 02:23:47
July 04 2003 02:22 GMT
#7
boxer USED to practice 12 hours a day sometimes....i'm sure most of the top pro gamers USED to practice ~10 hours a day when they still trying to make it to the top. However, I dont think its a realistic estimation that the top pro gamers STILL practice 10 hours a day. Maybe someone like leg or naz, who has intimate knowledge of korean pro gaming, can provide a more accurate answer
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Marshall
Profile Joined December 2002
United States234 Posts
July 04 2003 02:54 GMT
#8
im kinda curious too, because when i think about it, on the days that i do play, i tend to be online between 8-14 hours (im not playing this long, the actual playing time is probably more like 5 hours, but it takes time to find games and i get other stuff done while im online)...i dont know if progamers have a strict schedule 7 days a week or not or if they only play during business hours but id be curious to know. i would think that progamers must play at least 6 hours a day of straight competitive gaming to keep at their skill level, because we all know that if you stop playing for even 3-4 days you lose a lot... the first few games when you come back tend to feel awkward and timing is off. it seems that to keep that timing a certain amount of games must be played per day, i wouldnt be surprised if the number was more than 10 hours of straight practicing...
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-07-04 06:11:18
July 04 2003 05:25 GMT
#9
the foreigners (edit: I meant the ones in Korea, but of course it goes for the ones outside of it too) sure as hell don't play that much

not even close.

and I don't think others play 10 hours a day either.. I don't really see anyone being able to keep that up :/

10 hours every single day what the fuck, I honestly doubt they play that much =]
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Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
July 04 2003 05:37 GMT
#10
On July 04 2003 10:00 Commander[SB] wrote:
I sometimes practice 10 hours a day
:O


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ilnp
Profile Joined December 2002
Iceland1330 Posts
July 04 2003 07:18 GMT
#11
The problem is they make so little money, and BW is an amazingly cheap hobby. That's part of why they got into it in the first place. Then you've got to play to keep your skills/improve. But when all your friends are top BW players, and you guys arent pulling in very much cheese on a monthly basis, what are you gonna do other than get trashed and play BW?
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Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28712 Posts
July 04 2003 07:52 GMT
#12
hehehe

I remember back when I actually somewhat knew arang. he would seriously be _constantly_ looking for games for like 16 hour periods of time with no stop. I was really really amazed by his stamina, as I've never been able to play much more than 5-6 games in a row before I grew tired myself. I don't think most koreans are like that tho. =/

but well, im getting the feeling that they "sometimes" play for 10 hours a day and then people interperate that as 10 hours every day. ;(
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Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
July 04 2003 08:19 GMT
#13
I can be online up to 14 hrs a day (if I have NO plans that day). Its really not hard if you dont string 5-10 games back to back ^_^..
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28712 Posts
July 04 2003 08:23 GMT
#14
I can be online 16+ hours a day. but I still rarely play more than 10 games. ;(
(im very rarely online 16+ hours a day, but I can and have been . )
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Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
July 04 2003 08:53 GMT
#15
yea... very true and same.
l2uShMarine
Profile Joined December 2002
United States168 Posts
July 04 2003 09:06 GMT
#16
12 hours ++
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Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
July 04 2003 09:13 GMT
#17
I have played 12 hours straight gaming once, started GREAT going like 10-1 ratio for the first 6 hours then I got an intense headache and I managed to lose 15 games straight ;(
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Pseudo_Utopia
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada827 Posts
July 04 2003 10:15 GMT
#18
If you read the WGTour interview with Chojja, you'll discover that he plays 5-10 games a day and about 5 hours/day.
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bASesinAtOR
Profile Joined November 2002
Bhutan1295 Posts
July 04 2003 10:41 GMT
#19
i play 24/7
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bigMommA
Profile Joined March 2003
1985 Posts
July 04 2003 10:53 GMT
#20
the longest ive played bw is 28 hours straight. i said goodnight to my friend twice LOL
tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
July 04 2003 10:56 GMT
#21
back to the original point of contention...

I said that I thought xellos has been practicing 10 hours a day for the past few weeks in preparation for the OGN final. Ejai proceeded to disagree with me. Sure he might not practice 10 hours a day every day of his life, but when it comes to preparing for a huge match like that worth literally thousands of dollars, and knowing the korean mentality, he's probably practicing more than 10 hours a day right now.

That's a big part of what makes koreans successful. They practice fucking hard and are very disciplined. they solve like a zillion math problems in elemantary school and consequently they are one of the top countries in math scores. I remember hearing seri pak had some sick training regiment. And boxer practiced 12+ hours a day for quite sometime to get where he is. Even if for some reason xellos didn't want to practice, knowing korean culture, his manager, family and friends will push him to his limits.

This is xellos' job and he's about the face the most important match of his life. Considering all the factors, I'm willing to bet my bottom dollar that xellos is practicing nearly every waking moment right now.

Marshall
Profile Joined December 2002
United States234 Posts
July 04 2003 11:55 GMT
#22
On July 04 2003 14:25 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
the foreigners (edit: I meant the ones in Korea, but of course it goes for the ones outside of it too) sure as hell don't play that much

not even close.

and I don't think others play 10 hours a day either.. I don't really see anyone being able to keep that up :/

10 hours every single day what the fuck, I honestly doubt they play that much =]


how could you honestly get as good as you are not playing at least 50 hours a week? ... i dont know anybody 'good' who can.... maybe you dont do it now, but you did when you were getting good? ...
I would tell you what I think of you, but I just cant express myself monosyllabically enough for you to understand me : [
Dealer
Profile Joined January 2003
Sweden1368 Posts
July 04 2003 11:59 GMT
#23
"at least 50 hours a week"

christ =[
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Liquid`Crystal
Profile Joined September 2002
Canada398 Posts
July 04 2003 12:29 GMT
#24
that is alot of hours everyone plays.. I dont see how people find the time for this, holy fuck.. even if they are progamers.. I would go absoutely insane sitting on the computer playing 1:1 games for 10 hours a day.. even when I played 'alot' I rarely ever was online for that long.. and if I was it definitely was not two days in a row.

nazgul honestly seems to play a game a day at some points for a stretch of a week then he can also play 70 in one day..

if you are not even good at this game and you play 50 hours a week, get a life.

oh and marshall how do you lose anything after 3-4 days of NOT playing? i havent played for 6 months pretty much and it would come back in about a dozen games
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 04 2003 12:32 GMT
#25
im with marshall i forget stuff after about a week and it takes another week to get it back.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
July 04 2003 12:32 GMT
#26
it may be because i only have like less than a year of knowledgable playing behind me instead of like 3 years.
z7-RaiN
Profile Joined January 2003
United States522 Posts
July 04 2003 12:44 GMT
#27
On July 04 2003 21:32 travis wrote:
it may be because i only have like less than a year of knowledgable playing behind me instead of like 3 years.


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Pol
Profile Joined December 2002
Poland1187 Posts
July 04 2003 14:04 GMT
#28
i ply 2 h a day max
Jeff
Profile Joined January 2003
United States189 Posts
July 04 2003 14:33 GMT
#29
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SlimeVolleyBall
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada23 Posts
July 04 2003 16:00 GMT
#30
if i had 10 hours a day to play sc....i wouldn't. i sleep 10 hours a day, and spend my time playing BW about 1 hour a day (about 1-2 games).
and yes, i suck.
AgonyRush
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2540 Posts
July 04 2003 16:24 GMT
#31
On July 04 2003 11:22 ejai63 wrote:
boxer USED to practice 12 hours a day sometimes....

he played 120 hours a week before he became known... he said it in some interview or something..
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MPXMX
Profile Joined December 2002
Canada4309 Posts
July 04 2003 16:31 GMT
#32
120 hours a week does seem like a wrong figure...

My friend had a bet for 500 bucks that he could stay up for 72 hours straight - he got calls every 3 hours or so to make sure he's awake, so he played online games for that entire period (humans can stay awake for ~10 days before they die )
DooMeR
Profile Joined July 2003
United States1519 Posts
July 04 2003 17:04 GMT
#33
Hmm god 10 hours is alot but when u think about it, i come on around 3~4 pm and am on till almost 12am this summer =|. Tho thats when i dont have plans, so i nerd out ==;;
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28712 Posts
July 04 2003 17:22 GMT
#34
I can play one game every 2 weeks for 3 months and stay the same skill level. and whenever I have taken total breaks I've been back where I used to be in less than 5 games. ;(

and naz played lots when we first made team liquid. after he became "very good" he started playing _way_ less. ^_^
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HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
July 04 2003 17:24 GMT
#35
thats cuz what separates the players at the "foreigner" level is understanding of the game
raidern_br
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil612 Posts
July 04 2003 17:25 GMT
#36
chojja, 5-10 games a day?
i would say, AT LEAST 10 games a day
5 games is too low to a progamer.
Gogogo
Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
July 04 2003 17:32 GMT
#37
chojja has effectively mastered the zerg race.
JAM THE FUCKER!
raidern_br
Profile Joined November 2002
Brazil612 Posts
July 04 2003 17:51 GMT
#38
i sometimes play 2-3 games/day, but I dont play everyday anymore.. the max that i got was 20 games in 2 days, but after that i kinda stopped playing for sometime..
if I stop playing for 1 week i'll be slow for 2 games.. wont have the same "reflex".. i dont know.. but if i play 5 games a day i'll notice the difference hehe.
Gogogo
88)Cod-
Profile Joined June 2003
United States61 Posts
July 04 2003 18:18 GMT
#39
On July 04 2003 19:53 bigMommA wrote:
the longest ive played bw is 28 hours straight. i said goodnight to my friend twice LOL


shut the fuck up
Rekrul
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Korea (South)17174 Posts
July 04 2003 18:21 GMT
#40
On July 05 2003 03:18 88)Cod- wrote:
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On July 04 2003 19:53 bigMommA wrote:
the longest ive played bw is 28 hours straight. i said goodnight to my friend twice LOL


shut the fuck up


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Roman
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2595 Posts
July 04 2003 18:56 GMT
#41
On July 05 2003 02:51 raidern_br wrote:
i sometimes play 2-3 games/day, but I dont play everyday anymore.. the max that i got was 20 games in 2 days, but after that i kinda stopped playing for sometime..
if I stop playing for 1 week i'll be slow for 2 games.. wont have the same "reflex".. i dont know.. but if i play 5 games a day i'll notice the difference hehe.

I once played 29 wgt games in 1 day :O.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
July 04 2003 19:05 GMT
#42
Does anyone know what team jinnam and jinsu played for before they joined AMD?
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ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
July 04 2003 22:35 GMT
#43
i think AMD hijacked the dream team, so they're one and the same
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
July 04 2003 23:07 GMT
#44
i meant before dream team
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Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
July 05 2003 00:29 GMT
#45
nobody is asking you scrubbers how much you practice.
if you do not have direct knowledge of the subject matter, you really should keep your anterior inholes shut.
JAM THE FUCKER!
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
July 05 2003 02:21 GMT
#46
tenbagger, no doubt xellos is probably practicing his ass off to prepare for yellow. that is why i assumed that he started practicing tvz even BEFORE he knew who his opponent was. however, i find it unlikely that he practiced ONLY TVZ 10 hours a day since he rocked boxer. If you factor in tv appearances, prep for other matches, as well as practicing tvt and tvp (i seriously doubt that he would neglect those two MUs for almost an entire month), it doesnt seem reasonable that he had enough time to practice vs zerg 10 hours a day for the past 3 weeks.
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tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-07-05 10:36:11
July 05 2003 07:04 GMT
#47
why would he prepping for any other match? I'd bet that 100% of his effort is going into the OGN final.
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
July 05 2003 09:39 GMT
#48
oh, ok. i forgot that you knew him personally and knew exactly what his schedule is like.
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tenbagger
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1289 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-07-05 10:58:23
July 05 2003 10:57 GMT
#49
hey ejai, obviously I don't know his schedule. I'm stating my OPINION and the reasons why I came to that conclusion.

obviously, you have a different opinion. You also are unable to express it in a civil manner and must resort to low forms of sarcasm. I on the other hand will list all reasons why I came to that conclusion. You can choose to comment on it like an intelligent human being or you can make a smart ass sarcastic comment. The choice is yours.

Reasons:

1) Most koreans that I know practice like fucking crazy at whatever they do.
2) Boxer practiced 10+ hours on a daily basis on his rise to stardom.
3) I've watched a lot of vods, occasionally with korean friends. Many of those vods have brief interviews of pro-gamers and there has never been an instance where a pro-gamer would say he regularly practices less than 6 hours a day.
5) This is their fucking job! People work 10+/day in many other industries on a regular basis.
6) This is the biggest prize in pro BW. Anyone in his position would be insanely motivated. Anyone who has spent his most of his life working towards that goal would be even more motivated.
7) The goal at hand is to beat yellow. If a boxer is about to face the biggest championship match of his life, he spends all of his time prepping for that specific opponent and not whoever may come after that. The next point supports this one.
8) He has not made any other tv appearances after qualifying for the finals. Notice that xellos the captain of GO, did not appear in the KTF ever pro league last round. He has appeared in every match until then and right when he's preparing for the most important match of his life, he misses the match. Coincidence? I don't think(ejai, I said think, not know) so. Common sense says that his manager took him out so he can concentrate on 1 matchup (TvZ)

So in summary, do I know for a fact that xellos is practicing 10+ hours tvz over the past couple weeks? no, but I think I made a pretty strong case. Ejai, if you make a strong case, I'm not so stubborn to insist that I'm right. I've got an open mind so please state your case.
eggy
Profile Joined May 2003
United States41 Posts
July 05 2003 11:20 GMT
#50
One should go by number of games instead. 7-10 games.

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http://www.utd.edu/~eggy
There can only be one.
obfus
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom49 Posts
July 05 2003 12:56 GMT
#51
well "back in the day" the top RA(c&d red alert) players easily did 5hrs+ every single day for months on end just to keep in top shape(you really had to click fucking fast in that game, even tho the game was about as simple as they come) , and I mean its not like any money was on the line...just reputation among us fellow geeks. I'm sure it was really worth all the effort as they are no doubt among today's progamers
ejai63
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2101 Posts
July 05 2003 14:55 GMT
#52
its impossible to make a strong case, because ALL evidence is circumstantial at best. we have a difference of opinion, and i respect yours, despite disagreeing with it. I admit that my estimate of 5 hours a day may have been a little low, but i still insist that practicing only tvz 10 hours a day is too high. Unless xellos is practicing some completely new strats, he wont increase in skill that much no matter how much he practices.

the reason that pro gamers may have practiced 10 hours a day before they reached elite status is because they were still improving a lot at the time. once you reach a certain level of anything, there is a diminishing marginal return on the effort you put in. When boxer was a newb, he was learning so many new things and increasing in skill very quickly. a few hours of extra practice probably meant a lot for him. however, one he became an sc god, he probably realized that practicing for 10 hours a day is stupid, because the difference between playing 10 hours and even 5 hours was probably marginal at best.

Think of it this way: before the masters, does tiger woods increase his practice time by a huge amount? before the nba finals, do basketball players practice much more? yes, you have to factor in fatigue, but the players know that they will not get that much better in that short a time period. i think the same applies with sc. xellos is already damn good at tvz and has practiced and played against top zerg players for hundreds (maybe thousands) of hours. its not like he hasnt played these maps before, or isnt familiar with how yellow plays. to make another analogy, its like taking the sats in high school. if you try to cram in a ton of studying two weeks before you take the test, it likely wont help that much, sicne its testing you on stuff that you should have been learning for a long, long time.

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