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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 14 2018 11:13 GMT
#1
Bisu will always be remembered best for that one magical evening ten years ago when he took down Ma "sAviOr" Jae-yoon against all odds: the 3.3 Revolution, the least expected and most significant upset in Brood War history. It is still celebrated in the Korean esports community every year on the third of March. Its context has been chronicled to exhaustion, deservedly so. And as long as StarCraft esports exists, it will live on as folktale, even if the characters fade into Homeric caricatures over time.

Yet looking back on what came after, one cannot help but wonder if his early claim to timeless glory ultimately held him back from achieving all he could have. And that sounds patently ridiculous because Bisu is undoubtedly the greatest Protoss to have played the game; what more could you want from a player who won 3 MSLs, 5 Proleague titles, 3 Proleague MVPs, and was always considered the crown jewel of SK Telecom T1's golden armada? But despite all that, it's undeniable that he had the talent to win so much more, fly so much higher. Anyone with the faintest understanding of the professional game could see it, and was pained by it, until the end.

Full Article: https://esports.htc.com/articles/remembering-bisu
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midou
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria1168 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-14 12:14:16
January 14 2018 12:13 GMT
#2
Feel proud to have watched this live (stream).
Savior was unstoppable at the time, his opponents seemed doomed from the start, it always felt inevitable that he would win. Bisu <3!
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
January 14 2018 15:09 GMT
#3
Absolutely fantastic!
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JungleTerrain
Profile Joined January 2012
Chile799 Posts
January 14 2018 16:48 GMT
#4
I feel so sad the end of an era
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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-14 17:21:20
January 14 2018 17:20 GMT
#5
Bisus debut on Afreeca that was something amazing the whole scene felt like renewed a new era started for bw

we are going to miss his streams doesnt feel the same without him!
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
January 14 2018 17:26 GMT
#6
Long Live Bisu! He'll never be forgotten in the SC community!
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
January 14 2018 18:12 GMT
#7
Good player, not very attractive though. Dont know where that myth came from.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
January 14 2018 19:18 GMT
#8
On January 15 2018 03:12 Dazed. wrote:
Good player, not very attractive though. Dont know where that myth came from.



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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
January 14 2018 19:35 GMT
#9
wtf i thought he died
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Shady Sands
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4021 Posts
January 14 2018 20:22 GMT
#10
Goodbye! Will feel a bit empty knowing my favorite player to hate is gone =)
Что?
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
January 15 2018 12:29 GMT
#11
One fascinating topic this article addressed for me personally was the issue of identity, and how quickly the community found one for Bisu. Something people would associate with him for the rest of his life.

Almost all great players went through several different monikers before settling on a definitive nickname.

BoxeR: There was once a time when he was known as the "Fantasy Terran" for his imaginative play-style before finally settling on title of "Emperor of Terran" after he won his second consecutive Ongamenet title.

NaDa: Although NaDa is most well known for being the "Genius Terran" nowadays, he also went by other monikers such as "The Machine" and "Tornado Terran". NaDa famously hated being likened to a lifeless machine, and fought hard to break that particular perception of him.

iloveoov: iloveoov went by various tags including the "Monster Terran" and "Cheater Terran", the former being used more often in Korean communities, and the latter being used more often in foreign communities.

sAviOr: Before being known as "The Maestro", sAviOr was initially called the "Genius Zerg" when he defeated Reach for his initial MSL trophy. sAviOr pushed for another nickname since he didn't want to be known as just another zerg version of NaDa.

Jaedong: Jaedong was initially known as the "Legend Killer", as well as being called "God of Destruction" for brief period of time after he won his first Ongamenet title. His fans eventually settled on calling him "The Tyrant".

Flash: Flash also went by various nicknames during the initial stage of his career, the most famous of which was the "Ultimate Weapon" after a FOMOS columnist named him as such in early 2008. After his picture perfect 2010 season, Flash would more often be called "God Young Ho", or simply "God".

NaDa had to actively fight for the title of the "Genius Terran". sAviOr had to campaign for his title of "The Maestro" instead of being branded as the zerg version of NaDa. Jaedong had to break out of his initial shell as the "Legend Killer", a rookie who would take down legends greater than himself. Flash had a pretty intimidating nickname in the "Ultimate Weapon", but nothing beats being called a "God", and he had to earn that particular title with an unthinkable performance in 2010.

Bisu, apart from the memes created around various aspects of his career, went by one serious nickname only throughout his entire career. Bisu was dearly loved for it. Everything he did had more value because he was the chosen one that brought the end of the tyrannical reign of sAviOr. He was the darling of the entire industry. Perhaps the intensity with which entire narrative to make a hero out of Bisu was driven by the fans and even the people in the industry sapped away at the necessary drive and hunger needed for the full evolution of Bisu as a competitor.

Even the most talented and dedicated players can suffer from too much adulation and sycophancy, and as the darling of nearly everyone who was there to witness the amazing debut finals he had versus sAviOr at the peak of his powers, it felt to me as if Bisu lacked the intensity or mental resilience to sustain supremely high level of results he seemed to be capable of getting. His best ever ProLeague seasons were always preceded by really bad ProLeague seasons. He would show moments of brilliance to remind legions of zealous followers of his fantastic capabilities, but seemed to lack the raw drive to fully break out of his shell to unlock that next level that would have brought him even more praise and distinction as a professional player.

It wasn't such a problem in the streaming era when these Brood War players were entertainers on top of being competitors, but during the professional era of Brood War it was infuriating at times to see Bisu transcend the match-up of protoss-versus-zerg more so than any non-mirror match-up abilities of any player in history, but fall flat on his face versus really mediocre opposition to drop out early in tournaments time and time again. Screw reaching the finals, he failed to reach the quarter-finals for three consecutive years. I knew he was better than that. Bisu knew he was better than that. New blood protoss players such as Grape, Stats, Mini, SnOw, and Movie were reaching the round of eight. Stork, a player one year his senior was still doing that multiple times within that time-frame.

Probably the greatest protoss player of all-time in terms of professional results, but while I do believe that he was one of the hardest grinders in terms of sheer practice hours, I don't think he always competed with a do-or-die mindset. ZerO never seemed to have that mindset either. Bisu's games, for me at least, always had that element of being a performance rather than a fight for survival. The gut-wrenching fight for the right to be called the absolute best. Bisu would get out there to perform, and if he could perform well, he would win, and if he didn't, he would simply malfunction, rather than hanging in there through sheer grit and will power.

Maybe Bisu had the mentality of a performance artist. He would streamline his freakish mechanics to perfection just like an artist would at keeping up with his technique for the instrument of his choice. Bisu even said on stream that his most intense practice regimen took place just before his match versus sAviOr, as if he instinctively knew this would be the series that would define his career for years to come. I wonder if somewhere down the road that desperation to succeed was replaced by a sense of duty and a need to perform.
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BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19246 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-15 12:48:57
January 15 2018 12:48 GMT
#12
That is a spot on summary of how I perceive Bisu too Letmelose. Ironically, I think there seems to be a lack of killer instinct amongst all protoss in general during the Bisu era.
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ddengster
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore129 Posts
January 15 2018 14:46 GMT
#13
Will always remember him for the 'Bisu Build'. It just sounds so sleek and attractive. And it rhymes nicely too.
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16992 Posts
January 15 2018 14:56 GMT
#14
A wonderful article.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-15 17:03:35
January 15 2018 16:37 GMT
#15
On January 15 2018 21:48 BisuDagger wrote:
That is a spot on summary of how I perceive Bisu too Letmelose. Ironically, I think there seems to be a lack of killer instinct amongst all protoss in general during the Bisu era.


There were a lot of factors involved, but the circumstances involving Bisu weren't ideal for harvesting greater ambitions.

Other blockbuster transfers resulting in enormous salaries tended to wreck player motivations in general.

1) YellOw transfers to KTF MagicNs. He gets the biggest deal of his career in early 2004 after reaching the finals of a major individual league at least once for three consecutive years (2001, 2002, and 2003). He never reaches the finals ever again.

2) Nal_rA transfers to KTF MagicNs. He gets the biggest deal of his career in early 2004 after reaching three finals and winning two major individual leagues. He proceeds to drop out of both individual leagues, and never wins another title ever again.

3) GoRush transfers to SK Telecom T1. He gets the biggest deal of his career in early 2005 after winning his only major individual league title. He never reaches the finals ever again.

Bisu was a good looking guy with thousands of fan girls, who already had a couple of titles under his belt, already had his legacy secured, and was one of the best paid players in the scene now that he was on SK Telecom T1. It would have required superhuman levels of single mindedness for Bisu to not lose focus in early 2008.

I actually thought Bisu would totally fade into obscurity with time after his rapid decline in form in early 2008, but he proved me wrong and won Clubday MSL 2008, GomTV Classic Season 2 in succession, as well as winning the MVP for the regular season of the ProLeague as he carried SK Telecom T1 to their first ever ProLeague championship in more than four years. I believe Bisu said that part of the reason for his resurgence was because his huge salary got cut for his initial poor performances in early 2008.

Bisu after he transferred over to SK Telecom T1, in my opinion, became rather predictable:

1) Huge salary
2) Bad ProLeague season -> Salary gets reduced
3) Resurgence in form in the ProLeague
4) Huge salary
5) Repeat

Sometimes I wonder what might have happened if MBC Game HERO was well funded enough to keep Bisu on their roster. SK Telecom T1 did improve Bisu vastly as a gamer (Sea said on stream that Bisu got much better as a gamer after his transfer), but I personally believe that he seemed to be more in command of his own destiny back when he was at MBC Game HERO.
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2549 Posts
January 15 2018 18:43 GMT
#16
"what more could you want from a player who won 3 MSLs, 5 Proleague titles, 3 Proleague MVPs, and was always considered the crown jewel of SK Telecom T1's golden armada?"

An osl :D ?

jk don't hate me, I like Bisu too
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seNsiX
Profile Joined July 2012
United States22 Posts
January 15 2018 18:47 GMT
#17
On January 16 2018 03:43 sM.Zik wrote:
"what more could you want from a player who won 3 MSLs, 5 Proleague titles, 3 Proleague MVPs, and was always considered the crown jewel of SK Telecom T1's golden armada?"

An osl :D ?

jk don't hate me, I like Bisu too


Damn, beat me to that joke by one minute

Hail Bisu though, always had fun watching his play.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10674 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-15 19:15:28
January 15 2018 19:14 GMT
#18
On January 15 2018 04:35 konadora wrote:
wtf i thought he died

Me too... I still honestly thought he did until about half way down the first page. ~_~

EDIT : Guys, he will be back playing after Military service lol.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44440 Posts
January 15 2018 19:33 GMT
#19
Great article He was my favorite Brood War Protoss, and it's mostly because of him that I play as Protoss
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jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5509 Posts
January 15 2018 21:54 GMT
#20
Excellent article.
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
January 15 2018 22:02 GMT
#21
Sad to see Bisu gone. But now I think the best Protoss is Best.
FlopTurnReaver
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Switzerland1980 Posts
January 15 2018 22:45 GMT
#22
[image loading]

Speaking of memorable moments. Or the most handsome BW player ever
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
January 15 2018 23:13 GMT
#23
fantastic article, I really enjoyed it
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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
January 15 2018 23:26 GMT
#24
Add SSL 9 victory there too. He could won won SSL 10 too but guess OGN curse was real since it was broadcasted by them.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10179 Posts
January 16 2018 03:36 GMT
#25
Great article. Thank you for all the games Bisu. SKT still shitty KT
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
January 16 2018 03:51 GMT
#26
Great article. Bad title!

Come back Bisu!
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-16 05:54:06
January 16 2018 05:53 GMT
#27
Good read! Memories...

Also, 10 years ago, what the fuck.
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c3rberUs
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Japan11286 Posts
January 16 2018 11:02 GMT
#28
Seeing the title, "I love Bisu as much as the next fanboy but he didn't die lol"

With that said, it made me very nostalgic.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
January 16 2018 22:45 GMT
#29
favorite player after 8 happy years watching!
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
January 17 2018 03:10 GMT
#30
On January 16 2018 14:53 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Also, 10 years ago, what the fuck.

Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 17 2018 05:24 GMT
#31
On January 17 2018 12:10 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 14:53 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Also, 10 years ago, what the fuck.


Seems like yesterday that the Canadian consulate got called =[
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24582 Posts
January 17 2018 09:08 GMT
#32
On January 17 2018 14:24 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2018 12:10 thedeadhaji wrote:
On January 16 2018 14:53 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Also, 10 years ago, what the fuck.


Seems like yesterday that the Canadian consulate got called =[


Hm?
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 17 2018 09:11 GMT
#33
Klazart casting a Bisu game was the reason that made me start watching pro SC :D
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lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4172 Posts
January 17 2018 12:17 GMT
#34
Beautiful article. I can't even imagine what the scene would be like without Bisu. Absolute paragon.
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inuh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Korea (South)15 Posts
January 17 2018 15:52 GMT
#35
reading the title and design of the site - for a second I thought he died in the military :/
EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
January 17 2018 18:05 GMT
#36
On January 17 2018 12:10 thedeadhaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2018 14:53 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Also, 10 years ago, what the fuck.



I 'member when your post count was in the four digits
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
January 17 2018 19:32 GMT
#37
The title makes it sound like he died hahaha.
Toss_Master
Profile Joined June 2017
United States46 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-18 00:44:19
January 18 2018 00:43 GMT
#38
For some reason I didn't even assume Bisu had died I just had the presumed assumption that there'd be no way that would happen. I honestly thought it was a highlight clip.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
January 18 2018 05:18 GMT
#39
lol, rip Bisu
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25533 Posts
March 07 2018 15:38 GMT
#40
Great read for a great player
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
March 18 2018 02:13 GMT
#41
BISU IS ALIVE. please change thread title accordingly. also i'm sure photographers and media people in sk have gotten images of him where they at
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Gorgonoth
Profile Joined August 2017
United States468 Posts
March 18 2018 02:23 GMT
#42
Did his millitary service already start?
Cvitak46
Profile Joined April 2017
Croatia52 Posts
April 27 2018 10:53 GMT
#43
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/04/27/kim-jong-un-becomes-first-north-korean-leader-cross-south-65/

Bisu ended the war :D

Joke aside I hope this is long lasting peace and Bisu comes home early.
leveller
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1840 Posts
February 15 2019 13:32 GMT
#44
Does anyone have any news about bisu? will he come back to gaming after his service is up?
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-15 15:02:50
February 15 2019 15:01 GMT
#45
Kim Jong Un must be tired from those sneaky DTs wrecking havoc on his army so he finally gaves up. Well done Bisu!

On February 15 2019 22:32 leveller wrote:
Does anyone have any news about bisu? will he come back to gaming after his service is up?


I'm quite sure! Hope he will restore his mechanics fast and become n1 protoss again! By that time there's possibility that FlaSh will join army so maybe Bisu will grab a win.
sunbeams are never made like me...
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10674 Posts
February 15 2019 16:38 GMT
#46
Thread title was so misleading, I thought the most handsome BW player of all time passed away. -_-
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ssregitoss
Profile Joined September 2004
Turkey241 Posts
February 15 2019 17:39 GMT
#47
bruce lee i will never forget his win vs suvior.
Psyonic_Reaver
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States4336 Posts
February 15 2019 20:47 GMT
#48
Man I was going to post this awesome Hwaseung House comic made by Atrioc ages ago between JD and Bisu and ALL his work is gone... All that's left is just the blog I worte dedicated to his comics.

I'm so sad. =(

Regarding Bisu himself, he is my 2nd biggest Protoss hero after the Dreamer. Protoss was pretty much done for, nobody could figure out Savior's 3 hatch strategy until Bisu came along.
So wait? I'm bad? =(
vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
February 15 2019 21:38 GMT
#49
A legendary player, and not just for destroying sAviOr at the peak of his dominance during a time when Zerg dominated Protoss, although that alone is a legendary, glorious deed.

Hail.
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 15 2019 23:54 GMT
#50
We'll likely see Bisu back at some point this year so all Zerg expros better start prepping for the revolutionist! :D
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3116 Posts
February 16 2019 00:32 GMT
#51
Does anyone know when Bisu will come back? I think he started his service in December 2017, didn't he? I would guess December of this year he comes back.
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sM.Zik
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada2549 Posts
February 16 2019 00:53 GMT
#52
^Somewhere around the end of this year, yes.
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Wonk
Profile Joined March 2017
546 Posts
February 16 2019 01:56 GMT
#53
I think some time in september was the date, it wasn't quite 2 years from what I remember.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
February 16 2019 02:13 GMT
#54
On January 15 2018 21:29 Letmelose wrote:

Even the most talented and dedicated players can suffer from too much adulation and sycophancy, and as the darling of nearly everyone who was there to witness the amazing debut finals he had versus sAviOr at the peak of his powers, it felt to me as if Bisu lacked the intensity or mental resilience to sustain supremely high level of results he seemed to be capable of getting. His best ever ProLeague seasons were always preceded by really bad ProLeague seasons. He would show moments of brilliance to remind legions of zealous followers of his fantastic capabilities, but seemed to lack the raw drive to fully break out of his shell to unlock that next level that would have brought him even more praise and distinction as a professional player.


I think it's just just the nature of protoss players to be kinda lazy. If he was going to be really hard working, he would have played terran, am I right?
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Alpha-NP-
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1242 Posts
February 16 2019 02:38 GMT
#55
On February 16 2019 11:13 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2018 21:29 Letmelose wrote:

Even the most talented and dedicated players can suffer from too much adulation and sycophancy, and as the darling of nearly everyone who was there to witness the amazing debut finals he had versus sAviOr at the peak of his powers, it felt to me as if Bisu lacked the intensity or mental resilience to sustain supremely high level of results he seemed to be capable of getting. His best ever ProLeague seasons were always preceded by really bad ProLeague seasons. He would show moments of brilliance to remind legions of zealous followers of his fantastic capabilities, but seemed to lack the raw drive to fully break out of his shell to unlock that next level that would have brought him even more praise and distinction as a professional player.


I think it's just just the nature of protoss players to be kinda lazy. If he was going to be really hard working, he would have played terran, am I right?

What kind of lame opinion is that? Protoss doesn’t even have a strong matchup. Terran good versus Zerg. Zerg good versus Terran.
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
February 16 2019 06:48 GMT
#56
Bisu was my favorite progamer and a big inspiration, I'll always remember him fondly.
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Szinkler
Profile Joined July 2018
Hungary394 Posts
February 16 2019 09:34 GMT
#57
On February 16 2019 01:38 GGzerG wrote:
Thread title was so misleading, I thought the most handsome BW player of all time passed away. -_-

Totally agree! Same happened to me.
RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13036 Posts
February 16 2019 10:19 GMT
#58
This is indeed a shitty thread title.
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disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-16 16:11:46
February 16 2019 16:09 GMT
#59
On February 16 2019 11:13 Luddite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 15 2018 21:29 Letmelose wrote:

Even the most talented and dedicated players can suffer from too much adulation and sycophancy, and as the darling of nearly everyone who was there to witness the amazing debut finals he had versus sAviOr at the peak of his powers, it felt to me as if Bisu lacked the intensity or mental resilience to sustain supremely high level of results he seemed to be capable of getting. His best ever ProLeague seasons were always preceded by really bad ProLeague seasons. He would show moments of brilliance to remind legions of zealous followers of his fantastic capabilities, but seemed to lack the raw drive to fully break out of his shell to unlock that next level that would have brought him even more praise and distinction as a professional player.


I think it's just just the nature of protoss players to be kinda lazy. If he was going to be really hard working, he would have played terran, am I right?


I think map balance comes into play quite significantly, particularly in PvZ where distance is especially crucial in reacting and defending early game zerg builds. After the 5 Dragons MSL, maps were change to particularly screw protoss. Remember that OSL map you couldn't FE? Tears of the Moon or smth like that? That was 2-3 years since one base protoss builds in pvz died off. Protoss went 1-10 pvz that season on that map.

It might be correct to say Bisu wasn't as hungry as Flash and Jaedong, but I think map pool changes affected him more than the other two, simply cause I felt favorable map layout is too big of a factor for protoss as win condition in pvz in particular
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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
February 16 2019 17:11 GMT
#60
Just my 2cents I agree ^ there have been so many CRAZY osl maps on which protoss Fe was extra vulerable to hydra busts /ling rushes players like shine profited from those maps
tilhorizon
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany191 Posts
February 17 2019 00:00 GMT
#61
still have a original kt1 tshirt with a hand written signature from bisu
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
February 17 2019 00:47 GMT
#62
On February 17 2019 01:09 disciple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2019 11:13 Luddite wrote:
On January 15 2018 21:29 Letmelose wrote:

Even the most talented and dedicated players can suffer from too much adulation and sycophancy, and as the darling of nearly everyone who was there to witness the amazing debut finals he had versus sAviOr at the peak of his powers, it felt to me as if Bisu lacked the intensity or mental resilience to sustain supremely high level of results he seemed to be capable of getting. His best ever ProLeague seasons were always preceded by really bad ProLeague seasons. He would show moments of brilliance to remind legions of zealous followers of his fantastic capabilities, but seemed to lack the raw drive to fully break out of his shell to unlock that next level that would have brought him even more praise and distinction as a professional player.


I think it's just just the nature of protoss players to be kinda lazy. If he was going to be really hard working, he would have played terran, am I right?


I think map balance comes into play quite significantly, particularly in PvZ where distance is especially crucial in reacting and defending early game zerg builds. After the 5 Dragons MSL, maps were change to particularly screw protoss. Remember that OSL map you couldn't FE? Tears of the Moon or smth like that? That was 2-3 years since one base protoss builds in pvz died off. Protoss went 1-10 pvz that season on that map.

It might be correct to say Bisu wasn't as hungry as Flash and Jaedong, but I think map pool changes affected him more than the other two, simply cause I felt favorable map layout is too big of a factor for protoss as win condition in pvz in particular

I wasn't even thinking of balance or win rates, I was just generalizing wildly about the personality of people that tend to pick protoss/terran. To me it seems like Protoss players in general are less practice-obsessed than Terran players.
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InmateNextdoor
Profile Joined November 2017
43 Posts
June 25 2019 03:40 GMT
#63
Will bisu come back to brood war? I know his military time is going to end sometime late this year (2019). Anyone hear anything?
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
June 25 2019 03:51 GMT
#64
holy shit man i saw the title and i thought he passed away wtf
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greenelve
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1392 Posts
June 25 2019 04:11 GMT
#65
On June 25 2019 12:51 konadora wrote:
holy shit man i saw the title and i thought he passed away wtf

Same for me. But then read the first post and be smiling now.


Also, arent you one of the streaming heroes back in the days, bringing Broodwar games to the west?
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onlystar
Profile Joined March 2015
United States971 Posts
June 25 2019 05:34 GMT
#66
On June 25 2019 12:40 InmateNextdoor wrote:
Will bisu come back to brood war? I know his military time is going to end sometime late this year (2019). Anyone hear anything?


he will be back somewhere in september .. the first stream will make big bank !
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66183 Posts
June 27 2019 02:03 GMT
#67
On June 25 2019 13:11 greenelve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 12:51 konadora wrote:
holy shit man i saw the title and i thought he passed away wtf

Same for me. But then read the first post and be smiling now.


Also, arent you one of the streaming heroes back in the days, bringing Broodwar games to the west?

yep haha thanks for remembering :p

hoping to see bisu back soon..
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50238 Posts
June 27 2019 04:13 GMT
#68
On June 27 2019 11:03 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2019 13:11 greenelve wrote:
On June 25 2019 12:51 konadora wrote:
holy shit man i saw the title and i thought he passed away wtf

Same for me. But then read the first post and be smiling now.


Also, arent you one of the streaming heroes back in the days, bringing Broodwar games to the west?

yep haha thanks for remembering :p

hoping to see bisu back soon..


a couple of months at the earliest
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