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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
December 15 2017 07:16 GMT
#141
No KeSPA, new Remastered game, been almost 8 years which covered SC2 switch, post KeSPA era, downfall of Sonic, rise of Afreeca and launch of SC:R. It's time to let him back.
sunbeams are never made like me...
Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
December 15 2017 09:39 GMT
#142
Good lord guys he's just asking to stream it. So what if he makes a little money off of laddering on his stream? He won't make any by match fixing on it.

Tournaments? Definitely not. Streaming? There's no justification for letting him not stream other than bitterness and hate. Yeah, he seems like a douche and he hurt the scene but it's not why it died, so get over it. Him streaming doesn't hurt anyone.
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Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
December 15 2017 09:59 GMT
#143
On December 15 2017 18:39 Arrian wrote:
There's no justification for letting him not stream other than bitterness and hate.

Maybe read the thread and educate yourself then? Your ignorance doesn't make your statement any less stupid.
NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3119 Posts
December 15 2017 10:12 GMT
#144
I would've voted to forgive him. But they way he acted after he got caught and the mocking he did will never allow me to think he should be forgiven.
Artosis loves Starcraft
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33429 Posts
December 15 2017 10:12 GMT
#145
the apology rings hollow

he's had so much time to apologize, and yet he picks this particular time because he thinks he can benefit financially

selfish to the end
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Nyarly
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1030 Posts
December 15 2017 10:29 GMT
#146
I'm not the one who should judge what he should do, I don't know anything about him.
But why don't he just do something else ? There are tons of beautiful things in life, I fail to see why he wants to come back to starcraft or gaming so bad. It's actually quite sad to see him on his knees for that.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6627 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 10:48:02
December 15 2017 10:29 GMT
#147
On December 15 2017 19:12 Waxangel wrote:
the apology rings hollow

he's had so much time to apologize, and yet he picks this particular time because he thinks he can benefit financially

selfish to the end

lets be honest here,u can pick any time and it will never be the right one.

And lets also be honest here how much savior will win anyway,as many koreans pointed he is not the shit anymore,he is not even good in starcraft.We re in 2018 and we have a guy that did a terrible damage many years ago begging forgiveness on his knees,hell i read an interview that savior played terran vs gorush cuz the msl wasnt getting many viewers and cuz his terran was actually decent,thats how he got his zvt to the next lvl,but the original story changed over the years,and the bw forums warriors will link articles that are made to sell and link tv shows that are made to sell and we are still attacking this human like he is a serial killer,yeah he has a shitty personality blah blah blah,cuz berseker a guy that takes any oportunity or best or wathever are now making videos on youtube to clickbait said so,honestly this is very sad.

there is a human on his knees that apologizes,maybe he needs to do the walk of shame like Cersei ?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 15 2017 10:32 GMT
#148
On December 15 2017 19:12 Waxangel wrote:
the apology rings hollow

he's had so much time to apologize, and yet he picks this particular time because he thinks he can benefit financially

selfish to the end


My thoughts exactly.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50324 Posts
December 15 2017 11:14 GMT
#149
On December 15 2017 19:29 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 19:12 Waxangel wrote:
the apology rings hollow

he's had so much time to apologize, and yet he picks this particular time because he thinks he can benefit financially

selfish to the end

lets be honest here,u can pick any time and it will never be the right one.

And lets also be honest here how much savior will win anyway,as many koreans pointed he is not the shit anymore,he is not even good in starcraft.We re in 2018 and we have a guy that did a terrible damage many years ago begging forgiveness on his knees,hell i read an interview that savior played terran vs gorush cuz the msl wasnt getting many viewers and cuz his terran was actually decent,thats how he got his zvt to the next lvl,but the original story changed over the years,and the bw forums warriors will link articles that are made to sell and link tv shows that are made to sell and we are still attacking this human like he is a serial killer,yeah he has a shitty personality blah blah blah,cuz berseker a guy that takes any oportunity or best or wathever are now making videos on youtube to clickbait said so,honestly this is very sad.

there is a human on his knees that apologizes,maybe he needs to do the walk of shame like Cersei ?


you're being overdramatic eon, its not like he can't do other things in life, its just that his easiest way of making money happens to be the one thing he isn't allowed to do, with good reason.

I mean for real I think the way it is right now you could destroy him at the game.
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13087 Posts
December 15 2017 11:17 GMT
#150
I’m still a Savior fan but the guy can’t be allowed back. It’s one thing to broadcast some hollow apology but if he’s truly remorseful he’ll understand he has to suck up the consequences of what he did. He is BW’s Lance Armstrong. Fine, accept the apology but he sold out BW and lost his right to benefit from it.
"Terrans are pretty much space-Australians" - H
r33k
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Italy3402 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 11:29:37
December 15 2017 11:28 GMT
#151
The hollow hatred of korean netizens will never cease to amaze me. The country has had decades of bullying stars in the public eye to grow up and develop and yet their examples we have here still haven't reached western standards of humanity and tolerance.

The people we used to look at from afar and laugh at are now leading our community's mindset using the ramblings of emotionally stunted teenagers to justify their hatred.
duke91
Profile Joined April 2014
Germany1458 Posts
December 15 2017 11:54 GMT
#152
On December 15 2017 20:28 r33k wrote:
The hollow hatred of korean netizens will never cease to amaze me. The country has had decades of bullying stars in the public eye to grow up and develop and yet their examples we have here still haven't reached western standards of humanity and tolerance.

The people we used to look at from afar and laugh at are now leading our community's mindset using the ramblings of emotionally stunted teenagers to justify their hatred.


Western standards of humanity and tolerance wow

Seems like humility is not a western strength
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Arrian
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States889 Posts
December 15 2017 12:01 GMT
#153
On December 15 2017 18:59 Lucumo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 18:39 Arrian wrote:
There's no justification for letting him not stream other than bitterness and hate.

Maybe read the thread and educate yourself then? Your ignorance doesn't make your statement any less stupid.


Excuse me, but I was around much earlier than you. I know the story well, and I have read the thread. I know why people don't like him, and obviously when I say there's no reason to not let him stream other than bitterness and hate I mean is that whatever justifications people offer, their firm belief that he is an opportunisitic douche is not sufficient grounds to deny him the right to profit from streaming. News flash: there are lots and lots of people who profit from streaming or used to profit from streaming that are opportunisitic douches.

I get that savior should never ever play in a tournament again. I completely agree with that. But it's just streaming, for goodness' sake...
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iFU.pauline
Profile Joined September 2009
France1608 Posts
December 15 2017 12:31 GMT
#154
On December 15 2017 04:52 L_Master wrote:
On an unrelated note, I don't understand why people want to watch Savior. I could see why they might be interested in his thoughts on the pro scene or other players, but watching him play Starcraft? He's an ancient history great that is now, being generous, decidedly mediocre at the pro level.

What's the draw there?


Because obviously this opinion is pretty narrow minded. He has this touch and mindgame pretty unique and he is much easier to connect with than other players like effort (which is a very subjective point of view for sure, though shared by many). That is to remind you that if the whole purpose of watching a zerg stream was how he compares to other players, then why would you watch anyone else than Effort? So come on let's stop this narrow minded reasoning about what is worth to watch or not.
No coward soul is mine, No trembler in the world's storm-troubled sphere, I see Heaven's glories shine, And Faith shines equal arming me from Fear
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 12:46:10
December 15 2017 12:43 GMT
#155
he basicly had a 10 year ban .... its enough he seems to grew ... let him back in ,,, he already lost all his archievments just for god sake let him stream its not like he wanna be back in tournaments just let him stream

On December 15 2017 11:04 castleeMg wrote:
I heard he was very arogant, rude and cocky in his prime. Then after he had a poor showing in 08-09 he turned to corruption. A very selfish and manipulative individual from what I've read


and he got a 10year ban for it already and a lifetime ban from all tournaments ... just let him stream it hurts NO one and its nice to watch him again
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
December 15 2017 13:05 GMT
#156
Everyone deserves a second chance.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
458 Posts
December 15 2017 13:10 GMT
#157
I forgot how it was figured out that they were matchfixing. Could someone tell the story in a nutshell please?
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
December 15 2017 13:21 GMT
#158
even if the apology were hollow, 99% of his viewers know what he did, so if they give him money I don't see a problem with that
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
December 15 2017 13:36 GMT
#159
On December 15 2017 22:10 noname_ wrote:
I forgot how it was figured out that they were matchfixing. Could someone tell the story in a nutshell please?


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/news-archive/125601-match-fixing-scandal-conclusion
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixing_Scandal
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Bonyth
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland569 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 13:51:24
December 15 2017 13:47 GMT
#160
If he loves StarCraft so much, why won't he play without stream? I guess he doesn't love StarCraft that much ;

In my opinion only Koreans should be allowed to decide of this matter. They know more details than any one of us, also there is a difference in culture between us that we foreigners couldn't understand. We judge Saviour by our own values and Koreans may have very different values, so please respect that.
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