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vOdToasT
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Sweden2870 Posts
December 15 2017 01:45 GMT
#121
I forgive him and welcome him back
If it's stupid but it works, then it's not stupid* (*Or: You are stupid for losing to it, and gotta git gud)
ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 01:59:41
December 15 2017 01:57 GMT
#122
On December 15 2017 10:45 youngjiddle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 03:33 RCCar wrote:
On December 15 2017 03:31 TigerKarlGeld wrote:
On December 15 2017 03:27 ArvickHero wrote:
what is this young guy bullshit excuse

He was 23. You could be almost done with a masters degree at that age. When I was 23 I never felt like my age was an excuse for anything stupid or malicious.


On average your prefrontal cortext will be developed at 25 years of age. To coin it in basic terms, let's call this the center of your brains rationality.

Referring to yourself as an argument is an anecdotal fallacy.


20 is the legal age in Korea. It is also the age where you have are expected to know and take on the full responsibility for your actions. I don't know if any country babies people until they're 25, but perhaps Savior could immigrate there.
Its not like this was something really complicated...
Hmmm... should I do something illegal...? Hmmm... So hard.....
Hmmm... should I also invite my coworkers to this matchfixing gang and jeopardize the scene any further..?
Oh noes my lack of fully developed prefrontal corex!


greatest comment in this whole thread.


greatest because it shows the utter lack of perspective of these supposed college educated (or maybe not) posters. like you are expecting a bunch of high school educated/high school dropouts (and only these sort of individuals mingling about in 1 little teamhouse) to never receive bad gangster-esque influence and/or make terrible immature decisions, ever. like Kespa ever continued to provide them with education and proper post career guidance like most top sports academies do even in the past. and then suddenly expecting them to MATURE when they grow older like its some sort of magic spell.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5520 Posts
December 15 2017 02:03 GMT
#123
Bisu leaves, savior returns. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT
life of lively to live to life of full life thx to shield battery
castleeMg
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada777 Posts
December 15 2017 02:04 GMT
#124
I heard he was very arogant, rude and cocky in his prime. Then after he had a poor showing in 08-09 he turned to corruption. A very selfish and manipulative individual from what I've read
AKA: castle[eMg]@USEast/ iCCup
Slow Motion
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6960 Posts
December 15 2017 02:05 GMT
#125
I consider myself a hardliner and thought of Savior as a scumbag when this happened, but it's been 10 years and all he wants is to stream BW. I'm personally not gonna support him but I think it's time to let it go. This doesn't seem like a huge deal to me. It won't hurt BW to forgive him after all this time.
calgar
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 02:13:23
December 15 2017 02:12 GMT
#126
I'd love to see him stream again - always been a big fan.

Did he serve in the military yet?
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
December 15 2017 02:13 GMT
#127
No.



User was warned for this post
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
December 15 2017 02:34 GMT
#128
This is sad. I am torn.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
December 15 2017 02:36 GMT
#129
On December 15 2017 11:03 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Bisu leaves, savior returns. COINCIDENCE? I THINK NOT

lol this is the best post in this thread. Oh poor poor Bisu
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
hiro protagonist
Profile Joined January 2009
1294 Posts
December 15 2017 04:00 GMT
#130
Im all for second chances in life. I hope he can realize what he did so wrong and lead a good life filled with happiness.

What he shouldn't get is a second chance at StarCraft. There is nothing for him there, and to allow him to return would be such a slap in the face of all those he harmed that still play the game today (as in every former pro team player that makes a living off Afreeca)

move on Savior.
"I guess if you climb enough off-widths, one of these days, your gonna get your knee stuck and shit your pants. Its just an odds thing really" -Jason Kruk
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-15 04:08:12
December 15 2017 04:07 GMT
#131
My blog had a thing about this guy:

Saviour Fanboys:
A plague upon TL. Saviour always looked like a douche, and turned out to be a douche. He had a reign of dominance, it was quite impressive I guess. So not only do the fans of this guy fall into the "blindly follow the winner" category, but they are wayyyy behind. They're like your dad's friend who tells you that no good music has been released since 1972 or some bullshit. And if a zerg ever plays a macro game well, then they're "almost Savioresque". Nevermind the fact that Savior had basically 0 APM and would lose to Juni or PerfectMan if they played today. OH WAIT THEY CAN'T BECAUSE SAVIOR IS A DIRTY CHEATER AND IS DISGRACED. Thank God.

Fun Fact: These guys love to claim that Savior is the reason the word bonjwa came into existence, which is entirely wrong.

Fun Fact #2: This guy earned a whole bunch of extra fame when he announced he would "destroy everyone in 2009". This was because he's "one of those funny Asian guys" and yet he spoke English. I assure you, it was quite amazing.

Redeeming features: They won't get you kicked off a progaming team, unlike the actual Savior.


-------------------------------

Savior is scum. All the people who know him personally, the people who can actually speak Korean, they can all see it. Most of his fanboys on here, defending him even now, would have no idea what kind of person he is. All they know is he won some games and he spoke some English one time. Maybe stop and pay attention to the people who know a little more about the situation here, I see lots of posts going into detail about *current* events and the reaction of others in the scene to him, and then a million fanboy posts just going but surely he's had a chance to change after ten years!
The original Bogus fan.
LG)Sabbath
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Argentina3024 Posts
December 15 2017 04:15 GMT
#132
Yes we are all aware of what he did, it was awful and it hurt the game.

Now we want to watch him play again because it's fun and interesting and he was really good. I'm saying this as a Nada fan that always rooted against Savior back in the day.
https://www.twitch.tv/argsabbath/
uT)WhistleR
Profile Joined May 2006
Sweden95 Posts
December 15 2017 04:32 GMT
#133
fuck all them judging people~

savior ftw!
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
December 15 2017 05:06 GMT
#134
nice poll, nice bickering, as if this thread has any influence whether he'll be allowed to stream again or not

leave the matter to the koreans
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1456 Posts
December 15 2017 05:34 GMT
#135
On December 15 2017 14:06 orvinreyes wrote:
nice poll, nice bickering, as if this thread has any influence whether he'll be allowed to stream again or not

leave the matter to the koreans



Notice the nationalities in this thread hating savior vs loving savior
ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
December 15 2017 05:36 GMT
#136
On December 15 2017 00:57 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 00:53 ICanFlyLow wrote:
Why is savior getting this unfair treatment when there have been other progamers who have conspired to matchfixing but havn't suffered the same consequences even when caught doing so.


sAviOr was the first big name player to get caught, he hurt the image of the game and the industry because of his star status. A ton of people in the KR BW/esports scene lost their livelihoods because of him.. What he did had a massive impact on the people around him, it isn't up to us decide whether or not he should be forgiven.


People are forgiven for murder, this is starcraft. How many years is enough?

Also, I'm tired of people using game-fixing as a scapegoat for the decline of this scene. It's just not true, there are so many other reasons people don't have good jobs in this scene.
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
December 15 2017 06:01 GMT
#137
On December 15 2017 10:57 ggsimida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 10:45 youngjiddle wrote:
On December 15 2017 03:33 RCCar wrote:
On December 15 2017 03:31 TigerKarlGeld wrote:
On December 15 2017 03:27 ArvickHero wrote:
what is this young guy bullshit excuse

He was 23. You could be almost done with a masters degree at that age. When I was 23 I never felt like my age was an excuse for anything stupid or malicious.


On average your prefrontal cortext will be developed at 25 years of age. To coin it in basic terms, let's call this the center of your brains rationality.

Referring to yourself as an argument is an anecdotal fallacy.


20 is the legal age in Korea. It is also the age where you have are expected to know and take on the full responsibility for your actions. I don't know if any country babies people until they're 25, but perhaps Savior could immigrate there.
Its not like this was something really complicated...
Hmmm... should I do something illegal...? Hmmm... So hard.....
Hmmm... should I also invite my coworkers to this matchfixing gang and jeopardize the scene any further..?
Oh noes my lack of fully developed prefrontal corex!


greatest comment in this whole thread.


greatest because it shows the utter lack of perspective of these supposed college educated (or maybe not) posters. like you are expecting a bunch of high school educated/high school dropouts (and only these sort of individuals mingling about in 1 little teamhouse) to never receive bad gangster-esque influence and/or make terrible immature decisions, ever. like Kespa ever continued to provide them with education and proper post career guidance like most top sports academies do even in the past. and then suddenly expecting them to MATURE when they grow older like its some sort of magic spell.

Yeah I agree, progamers like Savior are probably NOT normal for any sort of age-related expectations. To my knowledge, progamers go into progaming and sacrifice their education, social life, and face an uncertain future in an uncertain field. They don't have a normal upbringing, or education. Like yeah, they should probably know the difference between right and wrong, but at the same time they are also extremely naive and easily influenced.

That said, I have no problem with him streaming, but I don't think he should stream BW.
Graphics
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
December 15 2017 06:23 GMT
#138
On December 15 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 14:06 orvinreyes wrote:
nice poll, nice bickering, as if this thread has any influence whether he'll be allowed to stream again or not

leave the matter to the koreans



Notice the nationalities in this thread hating savior vs loving savior


I'm American and I play Zerg and I think he's a terrible person. He just sees an opportunity to make some quick cash off StarCraft because people know who he is.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
December 15 2017 06:34 GMT
#139
On December 15 2017 14:34 jinjin5000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2017 14:06 orvinreyes wrote:
nice poll, nice bickering, as if this thread has any influence whether he'll be allowed to stream again or not

leave the matter to the koreans



Notice the nationalities in this thread hating savior vs loving savior

I seriously wonder how much of his enduring popularity is just because he spoke English that one time >_>
The original Bogus fan.
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50584 Posts
December 15 2017 06:41 GMT
#140
meh savior
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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