Savior apologizes on his Knees - Page 6

On December 15 2017 04:57 RCCar wrote:
Literally going around in circles.
L Master made some of the best points I think from a pro savior streaming scbw standpoint.
I'll attempt to address things here.

-> Savior was desperate for money
1. Savior wasn't desperate for money. He joined a conglomerate team in 2006 making 6 figure salary. I'm pretty sure it went up to 200~300k at his peak. He did get paid less as his form started falling off but considering that YellOw in his later days still made 6 figure salary... I don't think he would have gotten any less.

-> But what about after BW? What could he do?

2. Savior had a very good transition awaiting him in the area of eSports. He could have been a coach, worked for CJ as a brand, heck, streaming was around in 2009 and I doubt Savior would have had no viewers. BoxeR wanted Savior to continue the scene after him and placed trust in the man.

-> He was young, he couldn't have foreseen it.

3. He was 23. Aside from the 1 guy who thinks that you can't make rational decisions until 25, he matchfixed, then pushed in many younger gamers to do the same thing. He didn't pay them what he said he would either.

-> Why are we judging strangers here? He has redeeming qualities.

4. Skipping past the part where "redeeming qualities" are also technically judging strangers, professional gamers who were close to him expressed distaste. Earlier on this thread, (pg 3 I think), I translated what Iris said about Savior's personality and how despicable it was. I don't think he has the best personality.

-> Its been so long since he matchfixed- surely he has repented by now.

5. Savior has streamed many times before apologizing, Unfortunately, instead of acknowledging his "mistake", he has downplayed his errors and went so far as to ban any and all mentions relating to matchfixing. His list of banned words were over 100 including sports teams that matchfixed like Juventus. Considering how Hwasin apologized properly and took callouts and questions about matchfixing in stride during his stream, and was still discovered insincere, I think there is no doubt that Savior is not sincere at all.


-> Let savior stream, its just streaming.

6. Savior has streamed in 2016, showing off his name brand clothing on stream, and hanging with cam streamers. He quit soon. He is completely free to stream, just not certain games such as BW, SC2, OW, and LoL. The reason this thread is going through debate at all is because people want him to stream Starcraft.

-> He can play high quality games, we need every streamer.

7. Savior, even back in 2013, showed miserable form. I doubt that he can show competitive games 4 years later. Also, streamers already showed disgust at being asked to play against him- namely Best who refused 1000 dollars worth of donations to play against him in the future.

-> What would be the problem with him streaming/ coming into mainstream starcraft?

8. Starcraft in the Korean scene, is just recently coming into popularity again, with OGN even considering a starcraft league. (They haven't said anything about it since, but haven't retracted their statement officially so still praying). For potential sponsors, former matchfixers such as Savior playing the game, and the community endorsing such actions, will more than likely harm their image sponsoring. In Korea, public opinion is overwhelmingly negative. For Starcraft to get big sponsors again, the scene has to show they do not condone illegal/ dangerous actions. Streamers like Larva or Best leaving Terror as they strive for a more mainstream audience would be one of the examples. I'm not a marketing major, so take these words with a grain of salt.
As for the community aspect of it, it is the morality issue that he is making money off of the scene that he has destroyed almost singlehandedly. Now that many former pros make money off of streaming, I think you can imagine the insult they would feel. Hwasin's incident was like this as well, and pros such as firebathero called him out on his hypocrisy.

-> But Savior needs money too.

9. Perhaps he can get it in a way that he doesn't further manipulate the scene he has already destroyed. He could have had an insane amount of money during his career but voluntarily kicked it all away.

-> Savior didn't make much during his BW Career.

10. back to 1.

P.S. Before we say something something korean scene, lets do some research on it first, ok?
I will be happy to translate articles as needed if you find something that thinks will help. Just PM me. comment on 빠따정 actually has me triggered atm.