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chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2606 Posts
September 08 2017 12:56 GMT
#21
Very understandable business decission, but as you can see many of us foreigners have problems watching on Afreeca directly. Hopefully your attempts on fixing those problems are successful and people will be able to watch without a problem. For myself, it is no difference, because I never had any issue watching Afreeca Streams (altough I never could stream myself on Afreeca ).
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
Cele
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Germany4016 Posts
September 08 2017 12:58 GMT
#22
bad news, many of us can't watch Afreeca, because the lag is so bad. Hopefully it will be fixed if ASL is Afreeca exclusive. As to Blizzard: i never cared about em and their broadcasting/ esport interests. I couldn't care less what they feel is the best platform for streaming SC:R
Broodwar for life!
VioleTAK
Profile Joined July 2006
4315 Posts
September 08 2017 13:04 GMT
#23
Starcraft went to 3rd place in Twitch #viewers during the Remastered event. Who knows how many people it brought to the game. I understand the decision but... as for foreigners, I'm afraid very few people who are new to the game would watch
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Demurity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States424 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 13:06:39
September 08 2017 13:06 GMT
#24
I am trying to determine if Afreeca will ignore the foreign scene for ASL4. From a business perspective, it seems they are committed to their revenue streams and can't bend for Twitch/YouTube. But then, I feel like the foreign scene contributes a significant amount of the total population of eyes on BW. Even if we compose 20%, that still is limiting exposure. Maybe it is just super simple and they will stick to their best interest. Maybe we can work things out by ASL5.

On another note, will anyone restream via YouTube?
|Terran|
st4ck0v3rfl0w
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
79 Posts
September 08 2017 13:29 GMT
#25
Will it be watchable without flash?
Demurity
Profile Joined April 2011
United States424 Posts
September 08 2017 13:33 GMT
#26
On September 08 2017 22:29 st4ck0v3rfl0w wrote:
Will it be watchable without flash?


No, we need flash to get the triple crown.
|Terran|
Silentenigma
Profile Joined July 2009
Turkey2037 Posts
September 08 2017 13:36 GMT
#27
Too bad Afreecatv lags for Europe
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diggurd
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Norway346 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 14:12:23
September 08 2017 13:59 GMT
#28
When you say preparing your servers does this mean foreigners can watch afreeca without lag now? Because today its impossible for many of us to watch afreeca; it just doesn't load or is extremely laggy.

If the streaming of ASL is a lag free experience for the foreigners I think nobody will have problems with it being on afreeca. But this is a very important issue, it has to be lag free with good quality.

When it comes to you not wanting to share viewers with twitch it is understandable. But very sad for the growing of the e-sports outside Korea, because like Ret said it exposes brood war to an audience that normally doesn't watch or even know it exists. Also, if your biggest streamers were also streaming on twitch, SC:R would be high on the list of games, and even more people would notice and watch our game. It could be the top 5-10 streamed game in the world with 20-30k viewers.

So, if you guys have enough ymoney to feed your families, please reconsider and let it be streamed on twitch - for the love and future of our game. If you need money to survive I understand you can't share viewers with twitch though.
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qoiN
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden576 Posts
September 08 2017 14:05 GMT
#29
Yeah this is bad. No matter what or when I try it just lags and buffers constantly if I ever try to watch anything on afreeca. Twitch pls
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 14:25:46
September 08 2017 14:22 GMT
#30
I'm disappointed by this news as well. Up until a few days ago, FlashFTW and I were planning on streaming ASL4 (with permission) on Twitch, and we were told that we could only stream on Afreeca. As much as Afreeca plays a huge role in Korea and with how much they've committed into this tournament, not securing a license to stream on Twitch or YouTube is a huge blow to the ASL for foreign fans, especially at a time when involvement in SC:BW is at a relative high for newer players.

FlashFTW and I will still be streaming the ENG2 channel again on Afreeca, and we hope you'll still watch and enjoy the games. Hopefully all of this patches up by next season so we can get a more global audience watching....

On September 08 2017 22:06 Demurity wrote:
I am trying to determine if Afreeca will ignore the foreign scene for ASL4. From a business perspective, it seems they are committed to their revenue streams and can't bend for Twitch/YouTube. But then, I feel like the foreign scene contributes a significant amount of the total population of eyes on BW. Even if we compose 20%, that still is limiting exposure. Maybe it is just super simple and they will stick to their best interest. Maybe we can work things out by ASL5.

On another note, will anyone restream via YouTube?


Only people who want to get banned from YouTube :D




EDIT: If you have trouble watching Afreeca, I suggest visiting this thread. Pheer also put together a portable version that you can just download and start up. Everyone's computer is a bit different and may experience slightly different problems, but if you can get this working, it's really easy to watch BW through VLC player.
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RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
September 08 2017 14:23 GMT
#31
On September 08 2017 21:39 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I will gladly watch your stream on Afreeca.

Unfortunately ASL on twitch did a great job displaying BW to an audience who does not usually watch BW, and even perhaps a lot of people who have never watched BW or have no connection at all to the game (SC2 fans for example).

I think us dedicated fans of BW you find here on TL.net will do everything within their power to watch your tournament, so re-streaming ASL to VLC or watching on afreeca wont be an issue for most of us, but I fear it's terrible news for the western bw world and it's potential growth. Having your game being high rank on twitch will naturally make more people check it out, and ASL did a great job of that.


Couldn't have said it better myself. Well said. I also usually watched ASL live thru the twitch app and VOD's thru YouTube on my Xbox, and there is no Afreeca app on there. Will have to settle for watching on my tablet.
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CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
September 08 2017 14:43 GMT
#32
It's quite a blow to foreigner bw. High viewer numbers on twitch is not only a way to draw the attention / interest of new players but show tournament organizers there is some viewership to gain with bw events. I'm disappointed the different parties couldn't work this out, especially with this being the first major sc:r tournament.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 15:14:16
September 08 2017 15:13 GMT
#33
On September 08 2017 21:39 Liquid`Ret wrote:
I will gladly watch your stream on Afreeca.

Unfortunately ASL on twitch did a great job displaying BW to an audience who does not usually watch BW, and even perhaps a lot of people who have never watched BW or have no connection at all to the game (SC2 fans for example).

I think us dedicated fans of BW you find here on TL.net will do everything within their power to watch your tournament, so re-streaming ASL to VLC or watching on afreeca wont be an issue for most of us, but I fear it's terrible news for the western bw world and it's potential growth. Having your game being high rank on twitch will naturally make more people check it out, and ASL did a great job of that.


Well said.

The changes will hopefully work out, if Afreeca goes with a major global CDN, it could fix a lot of previous lag issues for other viewers.

Losing a major advertising (i.e. promoting BW) opportunity via Twitch is a shame though, especially considering this will be the biggest prize pool in BW history? Hopefully some agreement can be reached for ASL5 and beyond.
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 08 2017 15:16 GMT
#34
As long as there is a link on TL and the stream works, I honestly don't care on which platform it is. I am not a big BW viewer, but I have watched GSL on Afreeca.tv before and never encountered worse quality than with Twitch, it was even sometimes better.
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HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1920 Posts
September 08 2017 15:16 GMT
#35
This a terrible news, please reconsider this decision.
The foreign BW scene desperatly needs ASL to be on Twitch in order to have the chance of growing.
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mauwee
Profile Joined August 2013
Vatican City State78 Posts
September 08 2017 15:26 GMT
#36
Hope you guys can fix the buffering issue, Afreeca.tv is unwatchable on the east coast of USA.
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PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5221 Posts
September 08 2017 15:34 GMT
#37
I hope twitch will buy in sooner or later.

Until then, I'll watch it on Afreeca. Even now before the mentioned CDN change I have little to no issues watching any number of Afreeca streams on medium quality.

Thanks for all your hard work you're putting into BW.
The heart's eternal vow
raymix1
Profile Joined August 2017
United States10 Posts
September 08 2017 15:37 GMT
#38
On September 08 2017 22:33 Demurity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 22:29 st4ck0v3rfl0w wrote:
Will it be watchable without flash?


No, we need flash to get the triple crown.



we want html5 instead of flash
epicdoom
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States489 Posts
September 08 2017 15:40 GMT
#39
On September 09 2017 00:37 raymix1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2017 22:33 Demurity wrote:
On September 08 2017 22:29 st4ck0v3rfl0w wrote:
Will it be watchable without flash?


No, we need flash to get the triple crown.



we want html5 instead of flash


You can do html5 on afreeca but in my experience its is way less stable than (T)Flash
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6626 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-08 15:44:51
September 08 2017 15:44 GMT
#40
On September 09 2017 00:34 PVJ wrote:
I hope twitch will buy in sooner or later.

Until then, I'll watch it on Afreeca. Even now before the mentioned CDN change I have little to no issues watching any number of Afreeca streams on medium quality.

Thanks for all your hard work you're putting into BW.

but buy hmm what ?
twitch is a free service to stream,is up to afreeca to stream their tournament there.Why will twitch pay afreeca to they stream in their own twitch channel (the GSL one) their tournament and give the twitch community viewers .ok thats a f*cking chaos hope someone understand what im trying to say.
I can see blizzard interested in paying Afreeca to stream on twitch,that makes sense.
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